S******s
发帖数: 76 | 1 这么多年来，泰拳和中国功夫，尤其是和少林功夫相比，哪个更厉害的争论一直喋
喋不休。各种搏击比赛节目、网络新闻、报纸等等更是以此赚足了眼球，这个话题就是
长久不衰，就好像人讨论男女话题一样，永远不会觉得枯燥。今天去一个朋友的朋友开
的跆拳道馆，锻炼了一会后就和“馆主”Mike聊了起来，令我惊奇的是，一直待在美国
的Mike中文倒是讲的挺清晰。
然后我们就自然而然的讨论到各种搏击术，拳击，散打，空手道，柔道等等，还聊
到泰拳，Mike更是把中国功夫当成重头戏来讲。我很高兴，毕竟人都有虚荣心嘛！然后
我们就讨论中国功夫和泰拳的对抗哪个更厉害。Mike说：“这两种搏击术都不适合擂台
赛，其发源都是为了赤手空拳击败对手甚至是击杀对手的，很难说谁厉害谁不厉害”。
Mike还具体分析了两种搏击术的优劣，他说中国功夫包含的种类很多，他更倾向于中国
功夫，但他接着又讲道，哪里厉害还是要看用这种搏击术的人哪个厉害，即便有一方输
了，也并不能代表那种搏击术就不如另一种。我和Mike相见恨晚啊！我就特别讨厌有些
拳手上台打比赛之前说的这些话，或什么：泰拳才是最厉害的什么的。我感觉这个真是
无知、可笑、令人鄙视！所以，与其整天叨叨哪个厉害，倒不如用心刻苦的去训练，这
才是一个真正的拳手所该做的！说说你们是什么个看法。 |
M******r
发帖数: 858 | 2 各有各的所长吧，泰拳不能抓、擒、反关节蹩人、点穴、（小兵张嘎还说过：泰拳不许
咬人），但是它也有自己的特色。各种武术现在其实更适于健身修行，对抗的话...参
见华裔老伯击毙两歹徒。 |
c*********l
发帖数: 2893 | 3 把现在体育比赛那些规矩一加上就麻烦，很多招数都没法用。你若以消灭对方为主，撒
沙子，扬胡椒面也没啥，能赢就行。体育比赛你这么干不行啊，你能说那些招数不厉害？
【在 M******r 的大作中提到】
: 各有各的所长吧，泰拳不能抓、擒、反关节蹩人、点穴、（小兵张嘎还说过：泰拳不许
: 咬人），但是它也有自己的特色。各种武术现在其实更适于健身修行，对抗的话...参
: 见华裔老伯击毙两歹徒。
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 4 泰拳怎么会没有反关节技?
看了Tony Ja的电影都知道里面有反关节技吧, goolge一下都知道泰拳有的啊
【在 M******r 的大作中提到】
: 各有各的所长吧，泰拳不能抓、擒、反关节蹩人、点穴、（小兵张嘎还说过：泰拳不许
: 咬人），但是它也有自己的特色。各种武术现在其实更适于健身修行，对抗的话...参
: 见华裔老伯击毙两歹徒。
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 5 不久前刚打的
side A : 中国野和尚 一龙 Dragon One：虽然练习传统功，但比赛中通常凭借身体素
质，利用蛮力击倒对手
Side B : Buakaw Banchamek，与那些山寨泰拳手不同，他是本土战士，
代表泰国拳的最高水准。
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buakaw_Banchamek |
X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 6 中国野和尚 一龙, 击溃 US Champion Adrien grotte。
Adrien Grotte： 前美国海豹突击队队长，拥有 US NAVY SEAL的光荣传统，
能同时与数人搏斗的超级军人。
这位野和尚武僧一龙基本可以算世界职业格斗的最高水准，不过主要还是身体素质好，
技能倒是次要的。 |
X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 7 与野和尚作战的Buakaw，
Training Abdomen of Steel
曾打到无数对手，能轻易踢断树，可谓泰拳英雄王 |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 8 看wiki这个泰拳的原来拿过冠军后来退役了再复出,后来就不行了, 2014半决赛就输掉
了. 怎么也不能说是最高水准吧.
Buakaw was initially set to rematch Enriko Kehl in the K-1 World MAX 2013
World Championship Tournament Final in Pattaya, Thailand on July 26, 2014.[
47] The event was postponed due to the 2014 Thai coup d'état, however.[48]
Buakaw lost the TopKing World Series Semifinal Tournament (TK4) against the
Russian Khayal Dzhaniev; Buakaw also suffered from deep cuts in his head
inflicted by Khayal's elbows [49]
【在 X***R 的大作中提到】
: 不久前刚打的
: side A : 中国野和尚 一龙 Dragon One：虽然练习传统功，但比赛中通常凭借身体素
: 质，利用蛮力击倒对手
: Side B : Buakaw Banchamek，与那些山寨泰拳手不同，他是本土战士，
: 代表泰国拳的最高水准。
: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buakaw_Banchamek
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 9 我怎么查了一下看到这个 Adrien Grotte是 American police officer Adrien Grotte
. 而且2011年的时候一龙输给他的?
Hugh Jawoodi
August 15, 2013 at 3:55 am
Shea Ealey is NOT a former Seal. He spent six years in the Marines. He is
also not an IKF champion. This was an amateur bout. The IKF documents all of
their champions on their website. This PROPAGANDA was fabricated to try&#
65279; and redeem Yi Long, who got his ass handed to him the previous
November by American police officer Adrien Grotte. Do some research or STFU
……
【在 X***R 的大作中提到】
: 与野和尚作战的Buakaw，
: Training Abdomen of Steel
: 曾打到无数对手，能轻易踢断树，可谓泰拳英雄王
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 10 看这个连接， 那个Adrien Grotte只是前海军陆战队的， 现在是警察， 根本没有
说是Ｎａｖｙ Ｓｅａｌ啊．
谁说这个人是Ｓｅａｌ成员的？
Regarding this "Shaolin Monk" Yi Long:
http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9078 ... 44745.html
Of course, what the article does not say is whether a "real" Shaolin monk
would do any better in these kinds of formats. My guess is probably not.
Shaolin Temple: Monk KO'd by American not one of us
16:56, December 28, 2010
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On Dec. 14, a spokesman of the Shaolin Temple claimed through his micro-blog
Kung Fu monk of Shaolin Temple, nor could he be named as the No. 1 Shaolin
Kung Fu monk at all." He also told reporters that all the Shaolin monks can
be identified on their official website, reported by Henan Commercial News.
A Kung Fu fighting program named "Wu Lin Feng" in Chinese, which was put on
by Henan Province of China, went to Las Vegas, America last month. A
featured fight between so-called "Shaolin Kung Fu monk" Yi Long and American
police officer Adrien Grotte was held in Nov. 13 at Harrah's Las Vegas
Casino and Hotel.
The fight was supposed to be canceled because no one dared to fight the
mysterious Shaolln Kung Fu master who claimed to be the "No.1 Shaolin
martial arts monk," until one American police officer, also an ex-member of
the U.S. Marine Corps, answered the challenge.
Before the fighting started, almost everyone predicted that Yi Long would
win. However, just 44 seconds into the second round, Yi Long was suddenly
punched in his head by the American player and lay on the ground for quite a
while. Finally, the referee announced that Adrien Grotte won the game.
A piece of footage was uploaded to the Internet and named "American Police
officer K.O.'s No. 1 Shaolin martial arts monk." Afterward, the peace and
quiet was broken suddenly among Chinese netizens. People kept asking "Why is
Shaolin Kung Fu so weak?" and "Is Shaolin Kung Fu dying?"
Some netizens said "don't let those Shaolin monks embarrass China" and some
question about the existence of the so-called "No.1 Shaolin martial arts
monk" and even the credibility of Shaolin Kung Fu.
Regarding all the gossip about this Yi Long and the questions about Shaolin
Kung Fu, a person in charge of Shaolin Temple's public communication updated
his micro-blog on Dec. 24 and claimed that Yi Long is absolutely not a
Shaolin monk and certainly not the "No. 1 Shaolin martial arts monk."
He also told Henan Commercial News that it is hard to judge whether Yi Long
is a secular disciple of the Shaolin Temple because of the easy procedure of
becoming such a member and the huge number of the Shaolin Temple's secular
disciples.
Action: Shaolin Kung Fu should be protected
Qiao Fengjie, a professor from Henan University, said it did not make any
sense to connect the personal failure with the rise and fall of Chinese
martial arts.
Qiao believes that currently martial arts are divided into two parts. One is
competitive martial arts under some rules, and the other is the traditional
Chinese martial arts. The competitive martial arts have changed essentially
, although there is still some relation with traditional martial arts.
He also said the real masters would never go public for games but hide
themselves for self-practice against loneliness, and that was the real
essence of Chinese martial arts.
However, the traditional Chinese martial arts are in an embarrassing
situation just like traditional Chinese medicine, Qiao said, and they need
to be protected by the compilation of books and spreading the knowledge from
generation to generation. |
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 11 这个泰拳王是82年的，怎么也算顶尖高手了，80后打90后，现在这年纪怎么也有些吃亏
。 但13 年和德国意志飓风 Enriko Kehl，还是一个肘击满脸是血
14年那场K1冠军赛，以轻微点数输掉了，但30多岁的人，一点都不出老态，跟90后打还
是明显有上风。
2015 WMC Muaythai (154 lb) World Championship
K-1 World MAX 2014 World Championship Tournament Championship Runner-Up
2014 WBC Muaythai Diamond World Championship (-70 kg).
2014 WMC Junior Middleweight (-69.9 kg/154 lb) World champion
2013 Liver Kick.com Comeback of the Year[54]
2012 Thai Fight Tournament champion (-70 kg).
2011 Thai Fight Tournament champion (-70 kg)
2011 WMC World Junior Middleweight champion
2010 Shoot Boxing S-Cup World champion
2009 WMC/MAD Muaythai World champion
2006 K-1 World MAX champion
2006 WMC Super-Welterweight World champion
2005 S-1 Super-Welterweight World champion
2005 K-1 World MAX 2005 Finalist
MTA World Muay Thai Champion
2004 K-1 World MAX champion
2003 KOMA GP Lightweight champion
2002 Toyota Muay Thai Marathon Tournament 140 lb. class winner
Omnoi Stadium Lightweight champion
2001 Professional Boxing Association of Thailand Featherweight champion
Omnoi Stadium Featherweight champion
the
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看wiki这个泰拳的原来拿过冠军后来退役了再复出,后来就不行了, 2014半决赛就输掉
: 了. 怎么也不能说是最高水准吧.
: Buakaw was initially set to rematch Enriko Kehl in the K-1 World MAX 2013
: World Championship Tournament Final in Pattaya, Thailand on July 26, 2014.[
: 47] The event was postponed due to the 2014 Thai coup d'état, however.[48]
: Buakaw lost the TopKing World Series Semifinal Tournament (TK4) against the
: Russian Khayal Dzhaniev; Buakaw also suffered from deep cuts in his head
: inflicted by Khayal's elbows [49]
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 12 “However, the traditional Chinese martial arts are in an embarrassing
situation just like traditional Chinese medicine, Qiao said, and they need
to be protected by the compilation of books and spreading the knowledge from
generation to generation.”
这个Yi Long 除了那个站立低扫，哪里看得到明显的 traditional Chinese martial
arts,
分明就是一个暴力拳击和尚，用身体素质硬拼，能打赢自然不奇怪了。
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 看这个连接， 那个Adrien Grotte只是前海军陆战队的， 现在是警察， 根本没有
: 说是Ｎａｖｙ Ｓｅａｌ啊．
: 谁说这个人是Ｓｅａｌ成员的？
: Regarding this "Shaolin Monk" Yi Long:
: http://english.people.com.cn/90001/9078 ... 44745.html
: Of course, what the article does not say is whether a "real" Shaolin monk
: would do any better in these kinds of formats. My guess is probably not.
: Shaolin Temple: Monk KO'd by American not one of us
: 16:56, December 28, 2010
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 13 喔 贴错了， Seal 和暴力拳击和尚的比赛是这个
Grotte
of
STFU
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 我怎么查了一下看到这个 Adrien Grotte是 American police officer Adrien Grotte
: . 而且2011年的时候一龙输给他的?
: Hugh Jawoodi
: August 15, 2013 at 3:55 am
: Shea Ealey is NOT a former Seal. He spent six years in the Marines. He is
: also not an IKF champion. This was an amateur bout. The IKF documents all of
: their champions on their website. This PROPAGANDA was fabricated to try&#
: 65279; and redeem Yi Long, who got his ass handed to him the previous
: November by American police officer Adrien Grotte. Do some research or STFU
: ……
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 14 个性化石头和尚
这种暴力 fighting 和尚自古就有, 去饭店吃饭上衣一脱，一身的钢筋般肌肉，浑身的
刀疤, 吓得周围吃饭的食客连大气都不敢出。
只是现今社会，个性化野人有用武之地，
别人也不管他用的是不是传统 martial arts，反正超级能打，又是少林出身的，包装
包装，就可以博取大量的观众。 |
l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 15 那你只能说他曾经代表泰拳最高水准,但现在肯定不是.
泰森当初很牛掰, 现在估计要去比赛的话肯定被胖揍吧.
【在 X***R 的大作中提到】
: 这个泰拳王是82年的，怎么也算顶尖高手了，80后打90后，现在这年纪怎么也有些吃亏
: 。 但13 年和德国意志飓风 Enriko Kehl，还是一个肘击满脸是血
: 14年那场K1冠军赛，以轻微点数输掉了，但30多岁的人，一点都不出老态，跟90后打还
: 是明显有上风。
: 2015 WMC Muaythai (154 lb) World Championship
: K-1 World MAX 2014 World Championship Tournament Championship Runner-Up
: 2014 WBC Muaythai Diamond World Championship (-70 kg).
: 2014 WMC Junior Middleweight (-69.9 kg/154 lb) World champion
: 2013 Liver Kick.com Comeback of the Year[54]
: 2012 Thai Fight Tournament champion (-70 kg).
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l****z
发帖数: 29846 | 16 这个我前面已经贴了啊, 那个人(Shea Ealey)不是Seal的, 只是former marines 而且
也不是IKF
champion. 中国的东西不能深究,你深究了发现大部分都是狗屁.
Hugh Jawoodi
August 15, 2013 at 3:55 am
Shea Ealey is NOT a former Seal. He spent six years in the Marines. He is
also not an IKF champion. This was an amateur bout. The IKF documents all of
their champions on their website. This PROPAGANDA was fabricated to try&#
65279; and redeem Yi Long, who got his ass handed to him the previous
November by American police officer Adrien Grotte. Do some research or STFU
【在 X***R 的大作中提到】
: 喔 贴错了， Seal 和暴力拳击和尚的比赛是这个
:
: Grotte
: of
: STFU
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 17 我看土共现在完全不讲求传统文化，
只是用个 hybrid 的技术拥有者用暴力包装出一个传统的形象
反正最后大家只记得比赛结果，然后告诉大家这个就是中国传统
of
STFU
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 这个我前面已经贴了啊, 那个人(Shea Ealey)不是Seal的, 只是former marines 而且
: 也不是IKF
: champion. 中国的东西不能深究,你深究了发现大部分都是狗屁.
: Hugh Jawoodi
: August 15, 2013 at 3:55 am
: Shea Ealey is NOT a former Seal. He spent six years in the Marines. He is
: also not an IKF champion. This was an amateur bout. The IKF documents all of
: their champions on their website. This PROPAGANDA was fabricated to try&#
: 65279; and redeem Yi Long, who got his ass handed to him the previous
: November by American police officer Adrien Grotte. Do some research or STFU
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X***R
发帖数: 2410 | 18 跟加州烂 gay 气场过重大概也有关系，缺乏战斗气场 force field.
这叫同性恋晦气。
一个地区只要 gay 化就会被暴扁，可谓天经地义。
铸铁和尚 Yi Long 和来自 Arizona 的自由搏击冠军也赛过一场，
虽然场面上看差不多，但 Yi Long 最后就不太走运
Grotte
of
STFU
【在 l****z 的大作中提到】
: 我怎么查了一下看到这个 Adrien Grotte是 American police officer Adrien Grotte
: . 而且2011年的时候一龙输给他的?
: Hugh Jawoodi
: August 15, 2013 at 3:55 am
: Shea Ealey is NOT a former Seal. He spent six years in the Marines. He is
: also not an IKF champion. This was an amateur bout. The IKF documents all of
: their champions on their website. This PROPAGANDA was fabricated to try&#
: 65279; and redeem Yi Long, who got his ass handed to him the previous
: November by American police officer Adrien Grotte. Do some research or STFU
: ……
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