F*8
发帖数: 104 | 1 From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
To: new immigrants
I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
think that there are three key points wh |
s*****i
发帖数: 355 | 2 有什么新调调吗？还不是一样……
From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
To: new immigrants
I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
think that there are th
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
: think that there are three key points wh
|
F*8
发帖数: 104 | 3 无它,只是保持NIU的公开透明,也希望大家能针对他的EXCUSE多分析,怎么辩驳,争取名
额和排期上的PROGRESS.
【在 s*****i 的大作中提到】
: 有什么新调调吗？还不是一样……
:
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
|
d******s
发帖数: 56 | 4 关于1和2的回答我不想再多说了，我觉得回答本身就是在歧视中国人的智商。
关于这第3点，我没看懂。谁能给解释一下。
另外，排期的确定，到底是根据什么来的，NIU能否要求O明确讲出来。分配方案很明显
，用完7%才能来谈排期，而且排期的确定应该完全基于申请人数和批准人数。现在O在使
用他自己的分配方案，先说尽最大努力来达到7%，再说排期由很多因素决定。我先不谈
他这样做合法与否，我要先知道他确定排期的所有因素，这样我们就可以向更多人展示
他的荒唐之处。
that
I
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
: think that there are three key points wh
|
d******s
发帖数: 56 | 5
that
I
is
O对7%的定义很明白，是某国能拿到绿卡的最大数量。
and
otherwise
reached
这里写得很清楚，AC21适用于那些已经到了7%“LIMIT”的国家，中国没有到，为什么
要用AC21？
哪条法律写着剩余名额“严格”按照优先日期分配，而完全不管国家的chargeabilityB？如果有，请告知。
E2
我们讲的是法律，不是natural与否。中国人比韩国人申得多，natural中国应该拿更多。
to
cut-
countries
is
historical
case
我觉得现在最关键的是搞清楚排期的制定方法，因为这是他们违法的最核心部分。
apparent
unused
United
.
just
immigration
额，一小勺汤都不到！！
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
: think that there are three key points wh
|
F*8
发帖数: 104 | 6 NIU很快将正式换届重组. 请大家尽快联系C*****[email protected] 或者NIUNATIONAL
@GMAIL.COM 加入项目组,加入理事会, 竞聘包括主席在内的所有职务.
大家的事大家一起来办, 没有大家,项目会暂停,缺少大家,没有任何效应.
再次感谢大家! |
w*****g
发帖数: 3922 | 7 这是我的马甲，见笑。
chargeabilityttp://blog.sina.com.cn/weiqing
【在 d******s 的大作中提到】
:
: that
: I
: is
: O对7%的定义很明白，是某国能拿到绿卡的最大数量。
:
: and
: otherwise
: reached
: 这里写得很清楚，AC21适用于那些已经到了7%“LIMIT”的国家，中国没有到，为什么
|
i********l
发帖数: 3 | 8 The most important point in his letter:
"Based on last year’s demand pattern, and current number use, it is
apparent that there will not sufficient demand to use all available numbers
under the China FY-2010 Family limit. Therefore, the estimated amount of
unused numbers have been “falling-down” for use in the China Employment
categories." |
w**********c
发帖数: 136 | 9 One question:
If unused number are distributed based on PD, what will happen if India
reaches 7%? Will India become U after then?
This is the least thing can be done by O-SB to make sure India does not take
as many unused visa number as they want.
NIUNATIONAL
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: NIU很快将正式换届重组. 请大家尽快联系C*****[email protected] 或者NIUNATIONAL
: @GMAIL.COM 加入项目组,加入理事会, 竞聘包括主席在内的所有职务.
: 大家的事大家一起来办, 没有大家,项目会暂停,缺少大家,没有任何效应.
: 再次感谢大家!
|
t*********l
发帖数: 778 | 10 "The determination of the cut-off dates,..... is
based on a number of variables. One of these variables is the historical
pattern of number use,"
他还真好意思，EB3c只是被少了一年吗？为什么连续少了两年，而且一年比一年少？
？他去看过什么historiacal pattern 吗？ |
|
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g********n
发帖数: 4054 | 11 I guess the spillover will not subject to 7% limit?
take
【在 w**********c 的大作中提到】
: One question:
: If unused number are distributed based on PD, what will happen if India
: reaches 7%? Will India become U after then?
: This is the least thing can be done by O-SB to make sure India does not take
: as many unused visa number as they want.
:
: NIUNATIONAL
|
H*****u
发帖数: 704 | 12 看了感觉很愤怒。说7% is not a quota, 然后在排期上卡我们，让中国只得到很少名
额，很气人。法律的确没有规定每年某国家一定要批多少，奥沙要玩中国（现在就在玩
），是不是很难找出毛病？？？ |
w*******a
发帖数: 2409 | 13 不错。换个位置想想，O老人家最近被NIU骚扰的很可怜呢，一定要再接再厉。。 |
s**g
发帖数: 709 | 14 奥本同鞋大概看到医疗BILL过了，用不了政府退休的COVERAGE，不是我们不给他机会；
三块糖"树上开花"Campaign，猪老大“图穷匕见”Lawsuit；
Let us see in weeks:-) |
bz
发帖数: 1770 | 15 按照以往的讨论，
1。为什么没有人质疑 "It is extremely important to remember that such
numbers are provided strictly in priority date order without any regard to
country of chargeability.", 如果真的是如大家所说是没有定论的？如果没有定论就
可以质疑他为什么要这么定。
2。为什么没有人指出“per country cap”本身就是为了防止一个country来的人过多
，如果按照PD来结果必然导致一个country来的人过多。所以在使用任何名额的时候都
应该顺理成章地照顾这个原则。
不知道这么质问他是不是有什么实际操作上的问题。
that
I
is
and
otherwise
reached
E2
to
cut-
countries
is
historical
case
apparent
unused
United
.
just
immigration
额，一小勺汤都不到！！
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
: think that there are three key points wh
|
j*e
发帖数: 1987 | 16 同意，这一点是新提出的解释，以前没见过。
意思就是去年中国FB有剩余他没料到，原因是根据以前中国FB使用情况来预测。
今年中国FB就会根据去年情况来预测，也就是说假设今年中国FB也有剩余，然后中国今
年EB每月多给点名额，来保证今年中国EB+FB能达到7%。这印证了4月奥傻给中国EB2多
于往常的250，而是给了400多，
见我前帖分析
http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Immigration/31627473_3.html
这只是奥傻发现去年他的排期定法有问题后为了自圆其说想出来的解释法。他就是一口
咬定7%是limit不是quota。仍旧避而不谈Country At Ceiling的概念。NIU还是应该揪
住Country At Ceiling的概念，这是法律明文写着的，也是他的软肋。法律没说可以向
他那样根据前一年的情况来估计一个国家是不是Country At Ceiling！
numbers
【在 i********l 的大作中提到】
: The most important point in his letter:
: "Based on last year’s demand pattern, and current number use, it is
: apparent that there will not sufficient demand to use all available numbers
: under the China FY-2010 Family limit. Therefore, the estimated amount of
: unused numbers have been “falling-down” for use in the China Employment
: categories."
|
E********t
发帖数: 2447 | 17 CO的回复好几个地方语法错误, 估计上学时也不是好学生
that
I
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
: think that there are three key points wh
|
B******1
发帖数: 9094 | 18 we will very appreciate your response and help
-> we will appreciate your response and help
I think that there are three key points which are your group misunderstands
and that continues to upset you.
-> which are your group's misunderstanding and which continue to
it is apparent that there will not sufficient demand to use all available
numbers
-> there will not be sufficient demand
the estimated amount of unused numbers have been “falling-down”for use
-> the estimated amount of unused numbers |
w********8
发帖数: 665 | 19 Agree, this is the most important point, unlike last year, this time we will
get extra visa numbers from our own "family unused".
Many thanks for NIU's effort!
numbers
【在 i********l 的大作中提到】
: The most important point in his letter:
: "Based on last year’s demand pattern, and current number use, it is
: apparent that there will not sufficient demand to use all available numbers
: under the China FY-2010 Family limit. Therefore, the estimated amount of
: unused numbers have been “falling-down” for use in the China Employment
: categories."
|
j********1
发帖数: 762 | 20 你提的问题很到位。
【在 bz 的大作中提到】
: 按照以往的讨论，
: 1。为什么没有人质疑 "It is extremely important to remember that such
: numbers are provided strictly in priority date order without any regard to
: country of chargeability.", 如果真的是如大家所说是没有定论的？如果没有定论就
: 可以质疑他为什么要这么定。
: 2。为什么没有人指出“per country cap”本身就是为了防止一个country来的人过多
: ，如果按照PD来结果必然导致一个country来的人过多。所以在使用任何名额的时候都
: 应该顺理成章地照顾这个原则。
: 不知道这么质问他是不是有什么实际操作上的问题。
:
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y******n
发帖数: 8667 | 21 同意。
应针对这点，让大傻至少今年多给几千名额。
【在 j*e 的大作中提到】
: 同意，这一点是新提出的解释，以前没见过。
: 意思就是去年中国FB有剩余他没料到，原因是根据以前中国FB使用情况来预测。
: 今年中国FB就会根据去年情况来预测，也就是说假设今年中国FB也有剩余，然后中国今
: 年EB每月多给点名额，来保证今年中国EB+FB能达到7%。这印证了4月奥傻给中国EB2多
: 于往常的250，而是给了400多，
: 见我前帖分析
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Immigration/31627473_3.html
: 这只是奥傻发现去年他的排期定法有问题后为了自圆其说想出来的解释法。他就是一口
: 咬定7%是limit不是quota。仍旧避而不谈Country At Ceiling的概念。NIU还是应该揪
: 住Country At Ceiling的概念，这是法律明文写着的，也是他的软肋。法律没说可以向
|
j********1
发帖数: 762 | 22 NIU就是大家的代言人，请大家多想办法，来回答他。如果他不回答，就写信给议员。
以前他不是很晚回信，就是不回信，这次两天就回信了。 感谢给议员发信(Campaign)的志愿者们.
。 |
J****7
发帖数: 375 | 23 最后一段说明老奥承认，基于 our own "family unused"，FY2010 中国EB2,EB3应该多
拿超过annual limit的名额？
谢谢NIU的水冰儿等理论家的贡献。
will
【在 w********8 的大作中提到】
: Agree, this is the most important point, unlike last year, this time we will
: get extra visa numbers from our own "family unused".
: Many thanks for NIU's effort!
:
: numbers
|
w**********c
发帖数: 136 | 24 (1) how to make sure India EB+FB not exceed 7% ceiling?
(2) if unused China FB is given to EB, how come the total demand only
reduces by 250 (DOS data) from 2650 to 2400?
【在 J****7 的大作中提到】
: 最后一段说明老奥承认，基于 our own "family unused"，FY2010 中国EB2,EB3应该多
: 拿超过annual limit的名额？
: 谢谢NIU的水冰儿等理论家的贡献。
:
: will
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E**r
发帖数: 434 | 25 反驳的时候应该把中印非墨的数据一起来反驳.
如果他说EB+FB < 7%,可以拿劳模数据
如果他说EB < 7 %,可以拿老印数据
如果他说EB2 OR EB3 < 7%,可以拿非,墨EB3和老印EB2
如果他说排期按照名额分配,可以拿非墨EB3的数据.
总之一点,不能只拿老中一家的数据.
对付这种老油条,最好就是进锅榨.... |
R****a
发帖数: 130 | 26 O 说会把中国 FB 未用名额给中国 EB， 可没有说是给 China EB1 还是 China EB2，
或者EB3。但如果以后说是给了 EB1, 就无从考证去了。O 还在闪烁其词。 |
j*e
发帖数: 1987 | 27 我觉得奥傻很狡猾，他这次第三点回应是个阴招。一方面为他去年少给中国，导致中国
EB+FB少于7%开脱，另一方面拿出大棒加胡萝卜的政策，给你一点甜头。好比在说，你
们中国人不是抱怨不到7%吗，那好，我现在就给你到7%，但没得多，剩余名额还是按照
PD分配。太阴了。得好好想法子对付这厮。 |
b**********e
发帖数: 460 | 28 Thanks for NIU's efforts |
e****a
发帖数: 4783 | 29 没错，先侵犯我们的权益，然后把我们正当的权益当成是“奖励”，要是道歉有用，要
警察干什么？
奥本这条鳄鱼还假惺惺的说什么sorry。
【在 j*e 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得奥傻很狡猾，他这次第三点回应是个阴招。一方面为他去年少给中国，导致中国
: EB+FB少于7%开脱，另一方面拿出大棒加胡萝卜的政策，给你一点甜头。好比在说，你
: 们中国人不是抱怨不到7%吗，那好，我现在就给你到7%，但没得多，剩余名额还是按照
: PD分配。太阴了。得好好想法子对付这厮。
|
R****a
发帖数: 130 | 30 This 'sorry' is for hearing FA8's resignment, NOT for what it did for China
EB2 and EB3 |
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 31 奥本要是再唧唧歪歪7%是limit，不是quota。告诉丫，We encourage you to allocate
less than 7% to Indian all together this fiscal year, 0% to Mexican and
South Korean. After all, it is a limit, not a quota.
借他两个胆，他也不敢。 |
j*e
发帖数: 1987 | 32 现在的形式我总结一下是这样
NIU说：去年中国不到7%!
奥傻说：今年会考虑中国FB有剩余的因素，每月多给EB一些名额，尽量给你到7%
NIU说：去年损失的名额还给我们！
奥傻说：别想了，没可能。
针对这个情况，下一步我觉得NIU应该从两方面入手：
1.要回损失名额看来从奥傻这里是不大可能了，只能从议员或奥傻上级那里再试试。
2.奥傻既然说了今年尽量给到7%,那NIU应该盯住他落实。要求他给出每月到底给了EB2C
多少名额，每月从FB过来多少名额给EB2，如何计算的。中国EB截止每月实批了多少?
现在已经过了一半了，我看EB2C连自己本来的3000的一半还没拿到，照这个速度下去，
EB+FB=7%又要是一句空话。 |
y*****w
发帖数: 1350 | 33 I always think his conduct on spillover numbers (PD order or whatever)
caused the actual monopolization of a single country. That is definitely
against the anit-monopolization principle of the immigration law. This
should be argued on when doing senator/congressman campaign or having office
visits.
【在 bz 的大作中提到】
: 按照以往的讨论，
: 1。为什么没有人质疑 "It is extremely important to remember that such
: numbers are provided strictly in priority date order without any regard to
: country of chargeability.", 如果真的是如大家所说是没有定论的？如果没有定论就
: 可以质疑他为什么要这么定。
: 2。为什么没有人指出“per country cap”本身就是为了防止一个country来的人过多
: ，如果按照PD来结果必然导致一个country来的人过多。所以在使用任何名额的时候都
: 应该顺理成章地照顾这个原则。
: 不知道这么质问他是不是有什么实际操作上的问题。
:
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m****n
发帖数: 815 | 34 "Therefore, since there is well over twice as much India E2
demand as there is China E2 demand, it is only natural to expect India to
use a much larger percentage of the numbers which are made available. "
去年的比例是7200 vs. 200，这可比 2:1大大发了吧？
office
【在 y*****w 的大作中提到】
: I always think his conduct on spillover numbers (PD order or whatever)
: caused the actual monopolization of a single country. That is definitely
: against the anit-monopolization principle of the immigration law. This
: should be argued on when doing senator/congressman campaign or having office
: visits.
|
s**d
发帖数: 516 | 35 猪大哥，你说 Let us see in weeks 是不是有啥内部消息，下个月的Bulletin，EB23C
会大幅前进？
【在 s**g 的大作中提到】
: 奥本同鞋大概看到医疗BILL过了，用不了政府退休的COVERAGE，不是我们不给他机会；
: 三块糖"树上开花"Campaign，猪老大“图穷匕见”Lawsuit；
: Let us see in weeks:-)
|
r***1
发帖数: 50 | 36 Mr.O的第一段写得太假了，太虚了，亏得方糖8给他写信写得这么客气，这么悲壮。Mr.
O的最后一段就是一张空头支票。文中的几段就是死活我没错，外加严词正告中国申请
者想要回损失名额或多要世界名额就是痴人说梦。措辞比上几封信要强硬。不过，这是
官场套活儿，无他。Mr.O这条路看是走不通了。方塘走了，Mr.O 估计心里笑坏了，松
了口气，才回了回信，Madison的绿卡也快了，还有谁领着EB2干呀？中国EB2真苦。
【在 e****a 的大作中提到】
: 没错，先侵犯我们的权益，然后把我们正当的权益当成是“奖励”，要是道歉有用，要
: 警察干什么？
: 奥本这条鳄鱼还假惺惺的说什么sorry。
|
r***1
发帖数: 50 | 37 原话要连着看，老猪说的是“图穷匕见”Lawsuit；Let us see in weeks:-)
啥叫“图穷匕见”？！为什么还有中国人会一厢情愿的认为排期大幅前进？！就算大幅
前进也是靠大家争取来的。该NIU捐点款，或参与到NIU的奋斗中来吧。
EB23C
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 猪大哥，你说 Let us see in weeks 是不是有啥内部消息，下个月的Bulletin，EB23C
: 会大幅前进？
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d********n
发帖数: 1856 | 38 Who will be the new President of NIU?
that
I
【在 F*8 的大作中提到】
: From: Oppenheim, Charlie W
: Date: Tue, Mar 23, 2010 at 10:38 AM
: Subject: RE: we will very appreciate your response and help
: To: new immigrants
: I am sorry to hear that you have resigned, and I really do not believe that
: there was anything which you could have done to regain numbers. The
: numbers in question were never “guaranteed” for use by China, and as a
: result there should not have been any expectation of getting them back. I
: think that there are three key points wh
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s**g
发帖数: 709 | 39 买的哪有卖的精？只有除掉这个滚刀肉！官司伺候。
EB23C
【在 s**d 的大作中提到】
: 猪大哥，你说 Let us see in weeks 是不是有啥内部消息，下个月的Bulletin，EB23C
: 会大幅前进？
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e****a
发帖数: 4783 | 40 可不，奥本听说方糖辞职，高兴还来不及，赶紧假惺惺的说sorry，鳄鱼的眼泪而已。
Mr.
【在 r***1 的大作中提到】
: Mr.O的第一段写得太假了，太虚了，亏得方糖8给他写信写得这么客气，这么悲壮。Mr.
: O的最后一段就是一张空头支票。文中的几段就是死活我没错，外加严词正告中国申请
: 者想要回损失名额或多要世界名额就是痴人说梦。措辞比上几封信要强硬。不过，这是
: 官场套活儿，无他。Mr.O这条路看是走不通了。方塘走了，Mr.O 估计心里笑坏了，松
: 了口气，才回了回信，Madison的绿卡也快了，还有谁领着EB2干呀？中国EB2真苦。
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c*********e
发帖数: 323 | 41 NIU has tried the administrative and polical ways of communicating with Mr.
O Visa Officer. So we now know where he stands. From that point of viewing,
NIU has done the first part of the job, good job, thanks NIU's effort ......
Now what? Would this open the door of legal option just like what EB3C is doing? |
F*8
发帖数: 104 | 42 YES, YOU CAN!!
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【在 c*********e 的大作中提到】
: NIU has tried the administrative and polical ways of communicating with Mr.
: O Visa Officer. So we now know where he stands. From that point of viewing,
: NIU has done the first part of the job, good job, thanks NIU's effort ......
: Now what? Would this open the door of legal option just like what EB3C is doing?
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i********l
发帖数: 3 | 43 这个变化应该是niu最近不懈努力的结果
给些甜头，当然是希望咱们别接着闹下去了
【在 j*e 的大作中提到】
: 同意，这一点是新提出的解释，以前没见过。
: 意思就是去年中国FB有剩余他没料到，原因是根据以前中国FB使用情况来预测。
: 今年中国FB就会根据去年情况来预测，也就是说假设今年中国FB也有剩余，然后中国今
: 年EB每月多给点名额，来保证今年中国EB+FB能达到7%。这印证了4月奥傻给中国EB2多
: 于往常的250，而是给了400多，
: 见我前帖分析
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article/Immigration/31627473_3.html
: 这只是奥傻发现去年他的排期定法有问题后为了自圆其说想出来的解释法。他就是一口
: 咬定7%是limit不是quota。仍旧避而不谈Country At Ceiling的概念。NIU还是应该揪
: 住Country At Ceiling的概念，这是法律明文写着的，也是他的软肋。法律没说可以向
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i********l
发帖数: 3 | 44 "It is extremely important to remember that such numbers are provided
strictly in priority date order without any regard to country of
chargeability. Therefore, since there is well over twice as much India E2
demand as there is China E2 demand, it is only natural to expect India to
use a much larger percentage of the numbers which are made available."
We should ask him what happened in 2007. Tens of thousands of visas were not
allocated in priority data order. |
b********9
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b*****e
发帖数: 364 | |
