s****n
发帖数: 220 | 1 交代下背景先：
eb1b，10＋ papers，100＋引用，40＋review，7推荐信
还是要跟版上大家请教下，最近正在跟律师搞petition letter, 关于claim,我有一个
疑惑，就是下面这条：
(3) There has been published material about the alien’s work in
professional or trade publications;
这个就是大家通常所说的media report了把，我并没有media report，可是律师说：“
is not limited to media reports. For scientific fields, a significant number
of citations can serve as evidence to meet this statutory requirement.”。
。可是问题是我总共也就100多点儿的引用，于是就跟律师说能不能去掉这个claim，因
为并不是claim越多越好，只要老三样搞好就行了，可是律师又回复：
Hello, XXX - that rumor（which says that more claimed criteria does not
necessarily help for the approve) might refer to decisions that have been
coming out since a case was decided that basically stated that despite
meeting multiple criteria, a case can still be denied on the "final merits."
In effect, the RFEs we have seen mention that the case provides evidence
on x y z criteria, but overall, does not convince the officer that the
petition meets the EB-1 standard. It is still best to include evidence on
as many criteria as possible, and your citation(100+) evidence is pretty
strong.
我就迷惑了。。本来自己case应该还是ok的，对于eb1b来说。
如果因为claim上犯傻搞出岔子，那就郁闷了。。所以跑来版上跟大家请教，到底是不
是应该坚持要求律师去掉这个claim，回归老三样（也不想把律师惹毛了，呵呵） |
C********7
发帖数: 1035 | 2 有的律师是不走寻常路的。
我的律师把专利claim在award里面，也过了。有的把commentary和editorial之类的短
文claim在media report里面也有过的。这个很难说USCIS会吃哪一套。
你要是听版上的意见，大家多半会建议你claim老三样，比较保险。因为看样子你没有
具体的报道。 |
F******1
发帖数: 228 | 3 I think this is just authorship...
Dr. XX has authored scholarly articles in the field, in professional or
major trade publications or other major media (8 C.F.R. §204.5(h)(3)(vi));
【在 C********7 的大作中提到】
: 有的律师是不走寻常路的。
: 我的律师把专利claim在award里面，也过了。有的把commentary和editorial之类的短
: 文claim在media report里面也有过的。这个很难说USCIS会吃哪一套。
: 你要是听版上的意见，大家多半会建议你claim老三样，比较保险。因为看样子你没有
: 具体的报道。
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e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 4 我觉得你误会律师的意思了，他说的是publication，不是media report，尽管字面看
起来有点相似。他说的引用，可能是为了支持你的publication。建议读读下文，来自1
类申请考试大纲。最后祝你申请顺利！
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8 CFR 204.5(h)(3)(iii): Published material about the alien in professional
or major trade publications or other major media relating to the alien's
work in the field for which classification is sought. Such evidence shall
include the title, date, and author of the material, and any necessary
translation;
1. Determine whether the published material was related to the alien and the
alien’s specific work in the field for which classification is sought.
The published material should be about the alien relating to his or her work
in the field, not just about his or her employer or another organization
that he or she is associated with. Note that marketing materials created for
the purpose of selling the alien’s products or promoting his or her
services are not generally considered to be published material about the
beneficiary.
2. Determine whether the publication qualifies as a professional publication
or major trade publication or a major media publication.
Evidence of published material in professional or major trade publications
or in other major media publications about the alien should establish that
the circulation (on-line or in print) is high compared to other circulation
statistics and show who the intended audience of the publication is, as well
as the title, date and author of the material.
number
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 交代下背景先：
: eb1b，10＋ papers，100＋引用，40＋review，7推荐信
: 还是要跟版上大家请教下，最近正在跟律师搞petition letter, 关于claim,我有一个
: 疑惑，就是下面这条：
: (3) There has been published material about the alien’s work in
: professional or trade publications;
: 这个就是大家通常所说的media report了把，我并没有media report，可是律师说：“
: is not limited to media reports. For scientific fields, a significant number
: of citations can serve as evidence to meet this statutory requirement.”。
: 。可是问题是我总共也就100多点儿的引用，于是就跟律师说能不能去掉这个claim，因
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s****n
发帖数: 220 | 5 谢谢大家的指点！
@夏花mm，我的理解是这个（3）既可以用media report支持，也可以用paper
publication支持？然后律师是打算用paper publication 支持？ |
s****n
发帖数: 220 | 6 补充Codename47，是的，完全没有media report，律师在draft letter里面列举的
evidence全都是别的paper具体是怎么样citing我的work之类的。所以采觉得不是很妥
当，怕因为这个RFE，因为我还想尽快PP,呵呵 |
s****n
发帖数: 220 | 7 这个是draft letter的内容，看样子是要claim 4项，
Dr. XXX undoubtedly meets the minimum two regulatory criteria required for
classification as an Outstanding Researcher outlined in 8 CFR §204.5(i)(3)(
i), as well as two additional criteria: (1) Alien has contributed original
scientific or scholarly work of major significance in his academic field; (2
) Alien has authored scholarly books and articles in the field; (3) There
has been published material about the alien’s work in professional or trade
publications; and (4) Alien has served as a judge of the work of others in
the field of specialization and allied fields.
@夏花mm，你给的参考是 CFR 204.5(h)(3)(iii), 这个draft letter里提到的是 CFR
§204.5(i)(3)(i)，好像不一样阿？ |
e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 8 呵呵，我觉得这段话里得media 还是说publication，因为杂志也可以理解为media
的一种啊。按照你律师claim的那条，应该是我们所说的authorship类（要不你问问她
确认一下）
而咱们说的media report是通俗说法，官方说法（1B类）如下：
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8 CFR 204.5(i)(3)(i)(C):
Published material in professional publications written by others about the
alien's work in the academic field. Such material shall include the title,
date, and author of the material, and any necessary translation;
1. Determine whether the published material was about the alien’s work.
The published material should be about the alien’s work in the field, not
just about his or her employer or another organization that he or she is
associated with. Articles that cite the alien’s work as one of multiple
footnotes or endnotes are not generally “about” the alien’s work.
2. Determine whether the publication qualifies as a professional publication.
Evidence of published material in professional publications about the alien
should establish the circulation (online or in print) and that the intended
audience of the publication, as well as the title, date, and author of the
material.
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 谢谢大家的指点！
: @夏花mm，我的理解是这个（3）既可以用media report支持，也可以用paper
: publication支持？然后律师是打算用paper publication 支持？
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e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 9 啊，对照了一下number，看来你律师想上的真的是media report啊。
这两个的描述比较相似。
如果是这样，你的引用中，如果你的工作被他人大段描述，或者赞扬，也还勉强可以
claim，主要是脚标的话，还是算了。
直接问问她打算怎么支持这条吧。好运
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【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 这个是draft letter的内容，看样子是要claim 4项，
: Dr. XXX undoubtedly meets the minimum two regulatory criteria required for
: classification as an Outstanding Researcher outlined in 8 CFR §204.5(i)(3)(
: i), as well as two additional criteria: (1) Alien has contributed original
: scientific or scholarly work of major significance in his academic field; (2
: ) Alien has authored scholarly books and articles in the field; (3) There
: has been published material about the alien’s work in professional or trade
: publications; and (4) Alien has served as a judge of the work of others in
: the field of specialization and allied fields.
: @夏花mm，你给的参考是 CFR 204.5(h)(3)(iii), 这个draft letter里提到的是 CFR
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s****n
发帖数: 220 | 10 恩，我刚刚也仔细看了下，这个不同是eb1a 和 eb1b的不同。
但是如果这个（3）也算在authorship里面，那不是和（2）Alien has authored
scholarly books and articles in the field. 重复了吗？ |
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e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 11 我觉得这样的话，我会劝律师撤了这条，假设你只有脚标类普通引用。
见过1B律师用引用claim media report这条，但是那是review类引用中，作者专门对lz
的工作提出赞扬的。
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 恩，我刚刚也仔细看了下，这个不同是eb1a 和 eb1b的不同。
: 但是如果这个（3）也算在authorship里面，那不是和（2）Alien has authored
: scholarly books and articles in the field. 重复了吗？
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s****n
发帖数: 220 | 12 哦，你这么说我有点儿明白了，哈哈。
就是说如果不是那种打酱油类型的引用，而是比如说别人的确比较详细的做了介绍比较
之类的，就可以算在（3）里面？
律师估计就是这个意思，因为有些引用的确是大段的介绍过我的work，但是还是劝律师
撤了把，呵呵，因为research的介绍一般都是这种类型，"xxx did an preliminary/
early search on XXX, their work has XXX metrits, but not applicable to XXX
scenario,blablabla", 这样的即便是大段介绍，貌似也不好用做evidence。。 |
s*******n
发帖数: 203 | 13 我的律师也是这么干的
光从1B的描述上来说， 如果别人的文章上大段的引用了你的work，是可以套在这一条
里。
我当时也觉得不太保险，但是因为不想律师继续拖下去就让他file了。
NSC，直接pp，直接过。由此看来这样做也不一定就会RFE。
FYI我用的是出奇守旧的F家，让他们改点东西真是困难所以我就没有坚持了。
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 哦，你这么说我有点儿明白了，哈哈。
: 就是说如果不是那种打酱油类型的引用，而是比如说别人的确比较详细的做了介绍比较
: 之类的，就可以算在（3）里面？
: 律师估计就是这个意思，因为有些引用的确是大段的介绍过我的work，但是还是劝律师
: 撤了把，呵呵，因为research的介绍一般都是这种类型，"xxx did an preliminary/
: early search on XXX, their work has XXX metrits, but not applicable to XXX
: scenario,blablabla", 这样的即便是大段介绍，貌似也不好用做evidence。。
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s****n
发帖数: 220 | 14 我也是F家，呵呵，不过跟律师沟通了下，他也赞同为了少惹麻烦，取消claim这一项，
把这一项的evidence转移到其他地方，呵呵。
哦不知道你什么背景啊，直接pp我不知道我这个背景是不是合适。。 |
s****n
发帖数: 220 | 15 接着update and ask for suggestion
律师建议不要file PP,理由是：“the RFE rate on premium processed cases is
higher than in regular processed cases, so unless there is a timing issue,
we usually recommend filing regular, and not concurrently with the I-485.”
貌似这个理由跟申请者的背景完全没有关系，只是个概率统计。那还能坚持要求PP吗？
另外，regular processes cases 一般140要多久阿？然后485又要多久哦。多谢！哦，
忘了说，是在TSC |
e******r
发帖数: 9977 | 16 没有数据显示pp和rfe有直接关系。
我觉得你背景不错，可以pp。（个人建议而已）
我猜律师考虑是，如果被rfe，他需要在2个月内组织新的材料作为response，
时间有点紧。
【在 s****n 的大作中提到】
: 接着update and ask for suggestion
: 律师建议不要file PP,理由是：“the RFE rate on premium processed cases is
: higher than in regular processed cases, so unless there is a timing issue,
: we usually recommend filing regular, and not concurrently with the I-485.”
: 貌似这个理由跟申请者的背景完全没有关系，只是个概率统计。那还能坚持要求PP吗？
: 另外，regular processes cases 一般140要多久阿？然后485又要多久哦。多谢！哦，
: 忘了说，是在TSC
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s****n
发帖数: 220 | 17 恩，多些夏花mm指点，那能再问下，如果140 和 485 同时file，是要多少时间阿，一
般？ |
