w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 1 其中的introduction section关于gel叙述得很详细，
偶很喜欢。。。偶没错，嘻嘻。。。
(1) J. Agric. Food Chem. 2001, 49, 4436-41;
(2) Macromolecules 2001, 34(10):3115;
(3) Macromolecules 2001, 34(9), 2973. | z**h
发帖数: 224 | 2 xixi, i am right, i like it.
"The frequency independence of the loss tangent provides the most reliable and
generally valid rheological method to determine gelation."
tangent=G'/G"
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: 其中的introduction section关于gel叙述得很详细，
: 偶很喜欢。。。偶没错，嘻嘻。。。
: (1) J. Agric. Food Chem. 2001, 49, 4436-41;
: (2) Macromolecules 2001, 34(10):3115;
: (3) Macromolecules 2001, 34(9), 2973.
| w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 3 ou ft, you even don't know why you are wrong.
furthermore, you just chose to ignore the one paragraph before that?
and
【在 z**h 的大作中提到】
: xixi, i am right, i like it.
: "The frequency independence of the loss tangent provides the most reliable and
: generally valid rheological method to determine gelation."
: tangent=G'/G"
| z**h
发帖数: 224 | 4 maybe you don't know what i am talking about.
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: ou ft, you even don't know why you are wrong.
: furthermore, you just chose to ignore the one paragraph before that?
:
: and
| w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 5 (1) 我说的是怎样才能证明是gel，不是说已知是gel怎么定gelation point；
(2) 对于我所说的gel，从G">G'到G"=G'最后到G'>G"是可以判定为gel的；
(3) 在我提供的第二篇文献中，谈到long chain branching与gelation的相似之处，
至于在第三篇文献中提到Winter用tan(delta)=G"/G'=constant来作为gelation point，
是指已知gelation或者类似的long chain
branching发生。但是不是损耗角一和frequency无关，就是gel呢？看看所有polymer的Ro
use region吧。另外有很多weakly associated的
gel有整个的flow regime, rubbery regime, glassy regime, 显然在大多数的情况
下G"/G'和频率是有依赖关系的，难不成它不是gel?所以我觉得Winter这个标准其实
只是一个general的标准，包括block copolymer disorder---order transition在
内的(如
【在 z**h 的大作中提到】
: maybe you don't know what i am talking about.
| b**s
发帖数: 589 | 6 You make things complicated. The definition of gel have no standard answer
especially to PPL from different backgrouds. The only thing I suggest is
trying not to reject a paper based on your common sense.
，
Ro
【在 w********h 的大作中提到】
: (1) 我说的是怎样才能证明是gel，不是说已知是gel怎么定gelation point；
: (2) 对于我所说的gel，从G">G'到G"=G'最后到G'>G"是可以判定为gel的；
: (3) 在我提供的第二篇文献中，谈到long chain branching与gelation的相似之处，
: 至于在第三篇文献中提到Winter用tan(delta)=G"/G'=constant来作为gelation point，
: 是指已知gelation或者类似的long chain
: branching发生。但是不是损耗角一和frequency无关，就是gel呢？看看所有polymer的Ro
: use region吧。另外有很多weakly associated的
: gel有整个的flow regime, rubbery regime, glassy regime, 显然在大多数的情况
: 下G"/G'和频率是有依赖关系的，难不成它不是gel?所以我觉得Winter这个标准其实
: 只是一个general的标准，包括block copolymer disorder---order transition在
| w********h
发帖数: 12367 | 7 not my common sense, just common sense.
It is not fair for me to let it pass easily. Meanwhile, another referee
already rejected it. I just gave a Rejection or Major Revision. According to
my past review experience, I am not so cruel but indeed strict. Normally I
will let papers pass if no big mistakes. Here the basis is wrong or not
confirmed. BTW: My boss decided to reject; however, will accept it after major
revision for publishing on ordinary issues.
Here is my comment for editor only:
For e
【在 b**s 的大作中提到】
: You make things complicated. The definition of gel have no standard answer
: especially to PPL from different backgrouds. The only thing I suggest is
: trying not to reject a paper based on your common sense.
:
: ，
: Ro
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