u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 1 最近解密的前总统约翰逊的电话录音：“我赢不了越南，我也出不去！”美国在阿富汗
能出去吗？
“ In several taped phone calls now public, he confided this tragic
bombshell: "I can't win, and I can't get out." He was trapped between his
awareness that victory was impossible at any reasonable price, and his fear
that losing would be catastrophic for the United States... and himself. LBJ
was stuck, and so was the United States.” |
o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 2 Then how did US get out of Vietnam ah.
fear
LBJ
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: 最近解密的前总统约翰逊的电话录音：“我赢不了越南，我也出不去！”美国在阿富汗
: 能出去吗？
: “ In several taped phone calls now public, he confided this tragic
: bombshell: "I can't win, and I can't get out." He was trapped between his
: awareness that victory was impossible at any reasonable price, and his fear
: that losing would be catastrophic for the United States... and himself. LBJ
: was stuck, and so was the United States.”
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 3 They lost the whole peninsula. Humiliated! 日本德国开始不服气。
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: Then how did US get out of Vietnam ah.
:
: fear
: LBJ
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 4 They can lost that part of the world as well.
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: They lost the whole peninsula. Humiliated! 日本德国开始不服气。
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 5 Vietnam war was about ideology, not too much impact to the economy.
Mideast wars are about oil, which has huge impact to the economy.
That's the fundamental distinction.
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: They can lost that part of the world as well.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 6 You are talking about Afhan ah.
US still have 50,000 troop in Iraq.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: Vietnam war was about ideology, not too much impact to the economy.
: Mideast wars are about oil, which has huge impact to the economy.
: That's the fundamental distinction.
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 7 Afghanistan is in general part of mideast. When the US withdraws from the
Afghanistan, the "freedom" fighters are going to attack the US in Iraq.
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: You are talking about Afhan ah.
: US still have 50,000 troop in Iraq.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 8 Iraq now also have its own army la.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: Afghanistan is in general part of mideast. When the US withdraws from the
: Afghanistan, the "freedom" fighters are going to attack the US in Iraq.
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 9 You'll see in a few years after the US withdraws from Afghanistan.
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: Iraq now also have its own army la.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 10 US was not there for many years. The situation will back to whatever
before the US invasion.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: You'll see in a few years after the US withdraws from Afghanistan.
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c****3
发帖数: 10787 | 11 不会撤的，否则军火商都失业了。为了刺激经济，搞不好会打伊朗，增加军工工业的就
业机会，失业人口可以参加军队。 |
u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 12 You missed the point why the US is in Afghanistan now. It was the safe haven
for the Bin-Laden fighters who attacked the US interests around the world.
Search google what had happened in the 1990s in Kenya, Yemen and Somalia.
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: US was not there for many years. The situation will back to whatever
: before the US invasion.
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 13 Then if the US wants to make deal with Bin-Laden fighters, the US has to
retreat from the mideast and abandon Israel, which is almost impossible up
to now.
haven
.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: You missed the point why the US is in Afghanistan now. It was the safe haven
: for the Bin-Laden fighters who attacked the US interests around the world.
: Search google what had happened in the 1990s in Kenya, Yemen and Somalia.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 14 That was Bush saying la. Either CIA did not get 9/11 info or they ignored
it on purpose. Now even Bin-Laden is back there, if he is still alive.
They won't attack to US that easily la.
haven
.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: You missed the point why the US is in Afghanistan now. It was the safe haven
: for the Bin-Laden fighters who attacked the US interests around the world.
: Search google what had happened in the 1990s in Kenya, Yemen and Somalia.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 15 US just used the anti-terrorism as an excuse to attack other countries la.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: Then if the US wants to make deal with Bin-Laden fighters, the US has to
: retreat from the mideast and abandon Israel, which is almost impossible up
: to now.
:
: haven
: .
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 16 “
So, what was so profound about saying, "I can't win, and I can't get out"?
Well, it summed up the trap President Johnson was caught in then—and pretty
much captures President Obama's dilemma today. The truth of the matter was
that neither LBJ nor his predecessors, nor his successor President Nixon,
were actually trying to win. They all understood pretty well that the force
they were applying would not be sufficient to overcome a highly motivated
North Vietnam and their Viet Minh allies in Sout
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: US just used the anti-terrorism as an excuse to attack other countries la.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 17 If they want to say, they can say whatever to stay.
If they can not to stay, they must leave no matter what they say.
pretty
was
force
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: “
: So, what was so profound about saying, "I can't win, and I can't get out"?
: Well, it summed up the trap President Johnson was caught in then—and pretty
: much captures President Obama's dilemma today. The truth of the matter was
: that neither LBJ nor his predecessors, nor his successor President Nixon,
: were actually trying to win. They all understood pretty well that the force
: they were applying would not be sufficient to overcome a highly motivated
: North Vietnam and their Viet Minh allies in Sout
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 18 Not sure if the anti-terrorism is a must-win or not. But will Iran be more
arrogant after the US withdraw from Afghan?
pretty
was
force
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: “
: So, what was so profound about saying, "I can't win, and I can't get out"?
: Well, it summed up the trap President Johnson was caught in then—and pretty
: much captures President Obama's dilemma today. The truth of the matter was
: that neither LBJ nor his predecessors, nor his successor President Nixon,
: were actually trying to win. They all understood pretty well that the force
: they were applying would not be sufficient to overcome a highly motivated
: North Vietnam and their Viet Minh allies in Sout
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 19 You totaly fell to American conservetives' mind set la.
Why US can not have a good relationship with Iran ah.
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: Not sure if the anti-terrorism is a must-win or not. But will Iran be more
: arrogant after the US withdraw from Afghan?
:
: pretty
: was
: force
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 20 Good point. I just read an article about the exit-strategy from Afghan.
It makes analog about Iran to Afghan as China to Vietnam. The US normalized
the US-China relation before the withdraw, whichi implies the normalization
of the US-Iran relation before the Afghan-withdraw.
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: You totaly fell to American conservetives' mind set la.
: Why US can not have a good relationship with Iran ah.
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u****n
发帖数: 7521 | 21 But I doubt that the US would reach out his hand to Iran in the foreseeable
future.
normalized
normalization
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: Good point. I just read an article about the exit-strategy from Afghan.
: It makes analog about Iran to Afghan as China to Vietnam. The US normalized
: the US-China relation before the withdraw, whichi implies the normalization
: of the US-Iran relation before the Afghan-withdraw.
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o****y
发帖数: 26355 | 22 Because they believe in force too much previously. If you can not force them
to join you, then try something else. Americans are very pragmatic bunch.
foreseeable
【在 u****n 的大作中提到】
: But I doubt that the US would reach out his hand to Iran in the foreseeable
: future.
:
: normalized
: normalization
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d****g
发帖数: 824 | 23 Lol. US won't back down to Iran. There is no such threat as USSR now.
them
【在 o****y 的大作中提到】
: Because they believe in force too much previously. If you can not force them
: to join you, then try something else. Americans are very pragmatic bunch.
:
: foreseeable
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i**d
发帖数: 108 | 24 很可惜，这是饮鸩止渴，死得更惨。
【在 c****3 的大作中提到】
: 不会撤的，否则军火商都失业了。为了刺激经济，搞不好会打伊朗，增加军工工业的就
: 业机会，失业人口可以参加军队。
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