t*****k
发帖数: 2547 | 1 消息人士澳门国际防备研究所的Antony Wong Dong说：定４８架，是应俄罗斯的要求，
因为俄国认为一型战机只有造４０架以上，才有钱赚，在去年的苏３３交易中，俄国也
是这样要求中国的。
其文中，也提到Andrei Chang---即著名的平可夫大师，他对南华早报记者说："In
fact, Russia has sold many AL-31F engines, which could be used in both the
Su-33 and J-15, to China already,"
原文如下：
Russia has signalled its intention to sell advanced fourth-generation Su-35
fighter jets and other sophisticated weapons to China, a reversal of its
previous policy of denying Beijing access to such equipment, military and
diplomatic experts said.
The multi-role fighter is expected to roll off assembly lines by the end of
the year, with the first batch set for China between 2010 and 2015,
according to Russian media.
Local media and military experts indicate that China has ordered up to 48 Su
-35 Flanker-Es, enough to equip two fighter groups in the People's
Liberation Army Air Force.
"The number 48 does make sense because in last year's Su-33 carrier-based
fighter aircraft deal, Russia also requested that China order as many as 48
jets, because Moscow would only make a profit if the order was more than 40,
" Antony Wong Dong, president of Macau's International Military Association,
said.
But that deal was turned down by Beijing after it successfully tested its
indigenous carrier-capable fighter, the J-15, which many say is a copy of
the Russian Su-33.
The Su-35 is the most advanced fighter jet that Russia exports.
Russia has complained that China's J-series fighters - from the J-10 to the
J-15 - are just inferior copies of its Su originals and even blacklisted
Beijing as an arms-sales client last year.
But Russian reports last month said Beijing had resumed negotiations on the
Su-33 deal because China had found that the engine designed for the J-15
failed to compete with the Russian engine used in the Su-33.
"In fact, Russia has sold many AL-31F engines, which could be used in both
the Su-33 and J-15, to China already," Andrei Chang, the editor-in-chief of
the Canada-based Kanwa Defence Review, said.
Besides Su-35s, Moscow has also decided to offer 100 RD-93 jet engines,
which China uses in its exported Fighter China-1 (a lightweight multi-role
aircraft developed jointly with Pakistan), and even its S-400 missile system
to Beijing, Russian media reported.
But Chang said Russia would not deliver Su-35s and S-400 systems to China
before 2017. "Top officials from Beijing and Moscow are now talking about
the deals, but my Russian sources tell me that so far, the two weapons are
not on their export list for China," Chang said, adding the S-400 was not
yet in production.
Russia's state-run arms exporter, Rosoboronexport, said it was ready to hold
talks with China on the delivery of advanced Su-35 fighters to the Chinese
air force, the Moscow-based RIA-Novosti news agency said.
It said the Russian aircraft maker Sukhoi had said that it planned to start
deliveries of Su-35s to foreign clients next year and produce the aircraft
over the next 10 years.
RIA-Novosti said the latest developments should further contribute to the
warmest Sino-Russian relations in history, with Beijing and Moscow more
willing to address disputes involving the intellectual property rights of
Russia's weapon technologies.
It said both Russia and China had agreed to resolve the issue of the illegal
production of Russian arms in China during talks at this year's biennial
air show in Zhuhai .
With Sino-Russian relations never better, it was "very possible" for both
countries to compromise over such disagreements, Cheng Yijun, a Russian
relations expert at the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences, said.
"Both Russia and China need each other to balance their ties with the US in
the Asia-Pacific. Indeed, current Sino-Russian relations are the best and
healthiest in history because of their equality and interdependency," Cheng
said, highlighting the growing trade and close co-operation in aerospace and
aeronautical projects between the two countries.
"Arms imports from Russia have been decreasing over the past few years due
to China's rapid development of indigenous weapons, but in sophisticated
technologies, China still needs to co-operate with Russia, with all our
astronauts being trained by Moscow." |
c**f
发帖数: 2736 | 2 靠，最终还得买这么多啊。
这个是充当航母舰载机的吧？ |
b********6
发帖数: 35437 | |
c**f
发帖数: 2736 | 4 以前tg是这个意思。但是毛子看出来tg不是三锅，被山寨怕了。所以一直坚持要买就得
买几十个---我记得以前的数量是要买30架左右啊。当时就谈崩了。
【在 b********6 的大作中提到】
: 这个可以买
: 不过最好是卖几架，自己组装几架
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b********6
发帖数: 35437 | 5 这玩意不卖给tg卖难谁啊，自己又装不了几架，如果再没有定单，俄国的这些军工企业
就全部要完蛋了
比如米高扬设计局就倒闭了 |
f********1
发帖数: 1601 | 6 Mikoyan没倒闭，只是和sukhoi合并。最近还拿了一个大单，mig-29k
【在 b********6 的大作中提到】
: 这玩意不卖给tg卖难谁啊，自己又装不了几架，如果再没有定单，俄国的这些军工企业
: 就全部要完蛋了
: 比如米高扬设计局就倒闭了
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c*******2
发帖数: 617 | 7 最搞笑的是日本或加拿大的平可夫， 这几天还在yy土共怎么山寨， 俄罗斯怎么愤怒，
拒绝去珠海，最先进的武器只会卖给印度。
su-35俄罗斯自己都没装备。 |
R****a
发帖数: 6858 | 8 在常规冲突层面，俄罗斯对付中国的时候只能依赖传统的中俄友谊了。 |
b********6
发帖数: 35437 | 9 搞不下去了就被对手收购了
【在 f********1 的大作中提到】
: Mikoyan没倒闭，只是和sukhoi合并。最近还拿了一个大单，mig-29k
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x*********g
发帖数: 11508 | |
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d***u
发帖数: 1310 | 11 三锅是重合同,守信用,坚决不山寨.
哪向狗日的TG.
【在 c**f 的大作中提到】
: 以前tg是这个意思。但是毛子看出来tg不是三锅，被山寨怕了。所以一直坚持要买就得
: 买几十个---我记得以前的数量是要买30架左右啊。当时就谈崩了。
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h*******3
发帖数: 1141 | |
c****g
发帖数: 37081 | 13 TB倒是能拍银子卖F22，也得有骡马的人敢进局子不是？
【在 h*******3 的大作中提到】
: tg为什么要买俄罗斯的，买美国的不行吗？
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h*******3
发帖数: 1141 | 14 tg的钱是辛辛苦苦挣来的，谁卖tg都是应该应分的。这是破帽的理论啊，所以没有苏美
，也有天顶星。
【在 c****g 的大作中提到】
: TB倒是能拍银子卖F22，也得有骡马的人敢进局子不是？
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 15 35不是上航妈的，33才是
【在 c**f 的大作中提到】
: 靠，最终还得买这么多啊。
: 这个是充当航母舰载机的吧？
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h*******3
发帖数: 1141 | |
d1
发帖数: 1213 | 17 我还觉得少了，赫赫
【在 c**f 的大作中提到】
: 靠，最终还得买这么多啊。
: 这个是充当航母舰载机的吧？
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M*****8
发帖数: 17722 | 18
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倒闭了人才就更容易挖。
当然他们来不来估计看待遇。
不过基础设备没有要实施会耗时。
【在 b********6 的大作中提到】
: 这玩意不卖给tg卖难谁啊，自己又装不了几架，如果再没有定单，俄国的这些军工企业
: 就全部要完蛋了
: 比如米高扬设计局就倒闭了
|
p****n
发帖数: 9263 | 19 反正比买劳力士爱马仕布加迪有意义多了
the
Su-35
and
【在 t*****k 的大作中提到】
: 消息人士澳门国际防备研究所的Antony Wong Dong说：定４８架，是应俄罗斯的要求，
: 因为俄国认为一型战机只有造４０架以上，才有钱赚，在去年的苏３３交易中，俄国也
: 是这样要求中国的。
: 其文中，也提到Andrei Chang---即著名的平可夫大师，他对南华早报记者说："In
: fact, Russia has sold many AL-31F engines, which could be used in both the
: Su-33 and J-15, to China already,"
: 原文如下：
: Russia has signalled its intention to sell advanced fourth-generation Su-35
: fighter jets and other sophisticated weapons to China, a reversal of its
: previous policy of denying Beijing access to such equipment, military and
|
t*****k
发帖数: 2547 | 20
no
【在 x*********g 的大作中提到】
: 有没有说这么多架多少钱啊？
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x*****u
发帖数: 6559 | 21
Su 35 不是舰载机呀。
【在 c**f 的大作中提到】
: 靠，最终还得买这么多啊。
: 这个是充当航母舰载机的吧？
|
X*****u
发帖数: 1780 | |
p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 23 xinsuwu啊，你说在新西伯利亚市读书/打工的中国人多么？最近突然想到要是找孔子学
院蹭饭吃怎样 |
c**f
发帖数: 2736 | 24 我把苏33和苏35弄混了。
苏33是舰载机，苏35是多功能歼击机似乎。
【在 x*****u 的大作中提到】
:
: Su 35 不是舰载机呀。
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h*******3
发帖数: 1141 | 25 为什么还要买35，我们的11B各项指标都不错，何况都是27的改型。 |
p******u
发帖数: 14642 | |
