w**f
发帖数: 292 | 1 http://community.nytimes.com/comments/www.nytimes.com/2010/12/11/world/europe/11nobel.html?sort=newest
blinded1
USA
December 10th, 2010
8:16 pm
I came to America more than 20 years ago, not to pursuing the American Dream
, but only for being able to breath freely. When I was in China, I
encouraged my students to join other demonstrating students to show their
solidarity and to learn from the society classroom. In the early month of
June, 1989 I, as well as the vast majority of Chinese students and scholars
in US walked onto streets to protest and condemn Chinese government’s
crackdown on peaceful student demonstration in Beijing, and donated money
for the students’ course. I want to see China to be a modern, democratic
and free country with her citizens enjoying every right a human being
entitled to. But such Chinese society should be made and defined by the
Chinese people, no defined or pressured by any foreign influence, and
particularly it should no be a puppet state or colony of foreign nation(s).
I will not hesitate to criticize or condemn the CCP and Chinese government
whenever I see its action harmful to the interests of China nation and
Chinese people, neither I will keep silent because such actions are come
from ‘democratic, free’ countries.
I don’t consider Liu Xiaobo’s advocating for 300 years’ colonization as
big offense, mostly a sensational show off for publicity. However, his
willingness to be a second-class citizen of Western nations does not
represent the interests of 1.3 billion Chinese people. His accepting money
from the National Endowment for Democracy establishes himself as a foreign (
particularly, US) agent whose only purpose is to sabotage the sovereignty
and integrity of China nation. Since its creation by CIA, did NED have done
anything that is beneficiary to foreign people it pretends to ‘help’ other
than assisting US government to fortify America’s global hegemony position.
Norwegian Nobel Peace Prize committee is smart enough to praise Liu Xiaobo
for his ‘human rights activism’ not for promoting world peace, because Liu
has nothing to brag about peace activities, if not the opposite. But please
enlighten me what ‘human rights’ activity he has done, or simply because
he is jailed by Chinese government? A award for democracy maybe more
relevant for Liu, but then he is only one in 100,0000 on Tiananmen Square,
and one in millions in China in 1989 went on streets to protest.
It is no surprise that the Nobel Peace Prize committee has a political
agenda in picking up Liu. The problem is that it picked a wrong person. Many
Chinese dissidents are more qualified than Liu, and many have done great
deal to help the poor people and the society. In the chorus launched by US
government and mainstream media condemning Chinese government’s attempt to
block the Award ceremony, many equating China as Nazi Germany, a good
observer can detect the missing components, a supporting voice from the
Chinese, in China and overseas – a startling contrast to the solidarity
between oversea Chinese and west media in the wake of Tiananmen Square
students demonstration crackdown in June 4, 1989. US may be used to imposing
‘regime change’ over foreign sovereign nations without the support of
endogenous people. However, China is not Iraq and US dare to use the same
strategy it used in Iraq and Afghan to China. This is why Liu Xiaobo is
useful and important. Unfortunately (or fortunately based on personal
judgment) Liu does not resonate a big echo of his voice/thoughts in Chinese.
I will say it is a dream trying to make regime change without the support
of majority Chinese people.
Today’s US the press environment is increasingly suffocating. The
mainstream media have hijacked honest journalism, instead filled news
reporting with twist and manipulations and lies. Free press without
objectivity and factuality has no difference from propaganda and brainwash.
Recommend Recommended by 5 Readers
Report as Inappropriate | a****d
发帖数: 3964 | 2 这人的祖辈被大清殖民了300年，为何他的祖辈不舍身呢， 要骂刘，先骂他自己的祖辈。
Dream
scholars
【在 w**f 的大作中提到】
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: blinded1
: USA
: December 10th, 2010
: 8:16 pm
: I came to America more than 20 years ago, not to pursuing the American Dream
: , but only for being able to breath freely. When I was in China, I
: encouraged my students to join other demonstrating students to show their
: solidarity and to learn from the society classroom. In the early month of
: June, 1989 I, as well as the vast majority of Chinese students and scholars
| a**u
发帖数: 7128 | 3 這人心胸狹小， 苛刻。
本是同根生，相煎何太急。 | w**f
发帖数: 292 | 4 很多recommended comment都说的不错。。这个评论把西方白人的虚伪揭露的一览无遗
。。
ray
ma
December 10th, 2010
11:16 am
Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, got it
entirely wrong by saying “It is no coincidence that nearly all the richest
countries in the world are democratic, because democracy mobilizes new human
and technological resources". He confused the consequence with the cause.
The richest countries got rich not because of their so-called democratic and
human rights values, but because they have robbed money from the poor
countries by colonizing, killing, robbing, and exploited people in the poor
countries. How laughable it is for these richest countries, which have had a
hideous human rights record both in the past and now, to lecture the other
countries about PEACE and human rights. Just think about how many wars have
been inflicted by them on the other people in the past centuries.
Recommend Recommended by 62 Readers
Report as Inappropriat | h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 5 写的太好了，崇拜
相比之下中宣部就是一泡。。。
Dream
scholars
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: blinded1
: USA
: December 10th, 2010
: 8:16 pm
: I came to America more than 20 years ago, not to pursuing the American Dream
: , but only for being able to breath freely. When I was in China, I
: encouraged my students to join other demonstrating students to show their
: solidarity and to learn from the society classroom. In the early month of
: June, 1989 I, as well as the vast majority of Chinese students and scholars
| y***l
发帖数: 6963 | 6 这位wsn又miss point了
西方人觉得自己很有自省精神
犯了什么事儿耶稣面前一忏悔，得，自我原谅了
这位说的在他们看了已经不是罪过了，
他们肯定觉得纠缠这些历史很无聊
richest
human
【在 w**f 的大作中提到】
: 很多recommended comment都说的不错。。这个评论把西方白人的虚伪揭露的一览无遗
: 。。
: ray
: ma
: December 10th, 2010
: 11:16 am
: Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, got it
: entirely wrong by saying “It is no coincidence that nearly all the richest
: countries in the world are democratic, because democracy mobilizes new human
: and technological resources". He confused the consequence with the cause.
| a****d
发帖数: 3964 | 7 不就一个评论吗，没有这个事，说西方白人的虚伪， 也不少啊。
再说土共的老祖宗，马可思，也是 虚伪的西方白人。土共还当个宝呢。
发信人: wfef (wfef), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: nytimes上有关和平奖的一个comment
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Dec 10 22:03:25 2010, 美东)
很多recommended comment都说的不错。。这个评论把西方白人的虚伪揭露的一览无遗
。。
ray
ma
December 10th, 2010
11:16 am
Thorbjorn Jagland, the chairman of the Norwegian Nobel Committee, got it
entirely wrong by saying “It is no coincidence that nearly all the richest
countries in the world are democratic, because democracy mobilizes new human
and technological resources". He confused the consequence with the cause.
The richest countries got rich not because of their so-called democratic and
human rights values, but because they have robbed money from the poor
countries by colonizing, killing, robbing, and exploited people in the poor
countries. How laughable it is for these richest countries, which have had a
hideous human rights record both in the past and now, to lecture the other
countries about PEACE and human rights. Just think about how many wars have
been inflicted by them on the other people in the past centuries.
Recommend Recommended by 62 Readers
Report as Inappropriat | w**f
发帖数: 292 | 8 今天很多人加班啊。。这个评论很好的解释了板上的老小将之争
Aron Lee
Shanghai,China
December 10th, 2010
11:27 am
China does need democracy, but we absolutely do not need the Western one. In
your democracy, what's most important to win an election are money, a glib
tongue and an extremely brazen face. Ordinary people have no choice but to
pick a less rotten apple among rotten apples. Before election you can get
everything promised by the candidate, after it nothing will be realized.
With 1.3-billion population and 56 ethnic minorities, a Western democracy
will definitely threaten the unity of our country. China is more like
European Union and many provinces of which have tens of millions of
population. What's more, the majority of Han people can easily eclipse other
minorities' voice, such as five-million Tibetans and nine-million Uighurs.
Under the so-called democracy, the rights of the minorities will be deadly
compromised and social conflicts can be completely aroused. Furthermore,
most of the Chinese people lack the knowledge of basic principles of
democracy. They know nothing about forgiveness and pardon. The notion "I
disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say
it" is almost unknown to 99 percent of the population. If they disapprove
of what you say, they will try to silence you completely. This is not the
fault of our government. Sadly, this is the prevalence in China. Those who
oppose you are to be eliminated. That's the main difference between the
Western world and China. I think we Chinese need a revolution of thought
which should aim at the deep-rooted conservative thoughts of the masses.
Only a democracy won't solve the problems of China and can hold up our
development, even arouses social unrest, which, at last, will only greatly
damages the welfare of the people. Something deeper than political system
should be thought. Liu Xiaobo is a little naive and shallow and his ideas
almost don't suit the actual conditions of China. Though I don't agree with
all what he said, I still respect him for his brave advocacy of human rights
and the freedom of speech which are essential to a more democratic society.
That's what China needs. | L***n
发帖数: 6727 | 9 I like this one, very very right on
Dream
scholars
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: blinded1
: USA
: December 10th, 2010
: 8:16 pm
: I came to America more than 20 years ago, not to pursuing the American Dream
: , but only for being able to breath freely. When I was in China, I
: encouraged my students to join other demonstrating students to show their
: solidarity and to learn from the society classroom. In the early month of
: June, 1989 I, as well as the vast majority of Chinese students and scholars
| h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 10 没错，干了坏事再道歉。
放了屁说sorry,中国人一般憋着不放或跑一边放
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: 这位wsn又miss point了
: 西方人觉得自己很有自省精神
: 犯了什么事儿耶稣面前一忏悔，得，自我原谅了
: 这位说的在他们看了已经不是罪过了，
: 他们肯定觉得纠缠这些历史很无聊
:
: richest
: human
| a****d
发帖数: 3964 | 11 土共对中国人干了那么多坏事，都不道歉， 看来你很敬佩土共吧，既然土公干了坏事
不道歉， 所以日本鬼子也不道歉。 土共和日本鬼子彼此彼此。
发信人: huahuaniu (花牛), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: nytimes上有关和平奖的一个comment
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Fri Dec 10 22:16:38 2010, 美东)
没错，干了坏事再道歉。
放了屁说sorry,中国人一般憋着不放或跑一边放
【在 y***l 的大作中提到】
: 这位wsn又miss point了
: 西方人觉得自己很有自省精神
: 犯了什么事儿耶稣面前一忏悔，得，自我原谅了
: 这位说的在他们看了已经不是罪过了，
: 他们肯定觉得纠缠这些历史很无聊
:
: richest
: human
| D********y
发帖数: 4948 | 12 都不知道说什么了，大家手共党毒害太深，都是非红即黑，难得有一个明白老将，结果
还被其他老将搞了 | D********y
发帖数: 4948 | 13 看了，基本中国人的发言都是反对这个奖的。奇怪啊，国内难道一片死水了吗？ | j****n
发帖数: 7636 | 14 It is no surprise that the Nobel Peace Prize committee has a political
agenda in picking up Liu. The problem is that it picked a wrong person. Many
Chinese dissidents are more qualified than Liu, and many have done great
deal to help the poor people and the society.
这儿真有人相信换个中国人得奖，受到的批评和抹黑会少些？
too simple sometimes naive!
Dream
scholars
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: blinded1
: USA
: December 10th, 2010
: 8:16 pm
: I came to America more than 20 years ago, not to pursuing the American Dream
: , but only for being able to breath freely. When I was in China, I
: encouraged my students to join other demonstrating students to show their
: solidarity and to learn from the society classroom. In the early month of
: June, 1989 I, as well as the vast majority of Chinese students and scholars
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