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发帖数: 4418 | 1 Chomsky Barred From West Bank by Israel
http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/chomsky-barred-from-west-bank-by-israel/
Updated | Monday | 2:40 p.m. Noam Chomsky, an American linguist and
political thinker who has been critical of Israel, was denied entry into the
West Bank on Sunday by Israeli immigration officials when he tried to cross
into the Palestinian territory from Jordan to deliver a lecture.
Amira Hass of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported:
No reason was initially given for the decision, but the Interior Ministry
later said immigration officials at the Allenby Bridge border crossing from
Jordan had misunderstood Chomsky’s intentions thinking initially he was
also due to visit Israel. Chomsky, who is on a speaking tour in the region,
was scheduled to speak at Bir Zeit University in the West Bank on Monday.
A spokeswoman for Israel’s interior ministry also told Reuters that there
had been a misunderstanding and “officials were trying to get clearance
from the Israeli military, which controls access to the West Bank to allow
Chomsky to enter.”
In a television interview from Amman, Jordan, after he was rebuffed, Mr.
Chomsky told Al Jazeera English, “the facts were completely clear to
everyone; there was no basis for a misunderstanding.” He explained that he
was interrogated for several hours before being told that he would not be
allowed to cross into the occupied Palestinian territory. The 81-year-old
scholar added:
I can only say what was conveyed to me in the discussion with the official
who was carrying out the interrogation — he was receiving instructions from
the [Israeli] ministry of interior and relaying them. There were two basic
points. One was that the government of Israel does not like the kinds of
things I say — which puts them into the category of I suppose every other
government in the world. The second was that they seemed upset about the
fact that I was just taking an invitation from Bir Zeit and I had no plans
to go on to speak in Israeli universities, as I have done many times in the
past but not this time.
Mr. Chomsky had been invited to speak about American foreign and domestic
policy by the philosophy department at the Palestinian university in
Ramallah.
The renowned linguist was outspoken in his opposition to the Israeli
offensive in Gaza, which ended in January 2009 and has criticized Israel’s
occupation of Palestinian territory many times.
In an interview with Deborah Solomon of The New York Times Magazine in 2003,
Mr. Chomsky said, “I objected to the founding of Israel as a Jewish state.
I don’t think a Jewish or Christian or Islamic state is a proper concept.
I would object to the United States as a Christian state.” When Ms. Solomon
pressed Mr. Chomsky on his opposition to Israel, saying, “Your father was
a respected Hebraic scholar, and sometimes you sound like a self-hating Jew,
” he replied:
It is a shame that critics of Israeli policies are seen as either anti-
Semites or self-hating Jews. It’s grotesque. If an Italian criticized
Italian policies, would he be seen as a self-hating Italian?
Update: To clear up a misunderstanding that has taken root in the comments
thread below, as my colleague Ethan Bronner explains in an article on this
subject, Mr. Chomsky, “has objected to Israel’s foundation as a Jewish
state, but he has supported a two-state solution and has not condemned
Israel’s existence.”
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e*u
发帖数: 10016 | 2 不错啊，撕下脸皮了。
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【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: Chomsky Barred From West Bank by Israel
: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/chomsky-barred-from-west-bank-by-israel/
: Updated | Monday | 2:40 p.m. Noam Chomsky, an American linguist and
: political thinker who has been critical of Israel, was denied entry into the
: West Bank on Sunday by Israeli immigration officials when he tried to cross
: into the Palestinian territory from Jordan to deliver a lecture.
: Amira Hass of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported:
: No reason was initially given for the decision, but the Interior Ministry
: later said immigration officials at the Allenby Bridge border crossing from
: Jordan had misunderstood Chomsky’s intentions thinking initially he was
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 3 别忘了Chomsky是个犹太人
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【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: Chomsky Barred From West Bank by Israel
: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/chomsky-barred-from-west-bank-by-israel/
: Updated | Monday | 2:40 p.m. Noam Chomsky, an American linguist and
: political thinker who has been critical of Israel, was denied entry into the
: West Bank on Sunday by Israeli immigration officials when he tried to cross
: into the Palestinian territory from Jordan to deliver a lecture.
: Amira Hass of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported:
: No reason was initially given for the decision, but the Interior Ministry
: later said immigration officials at the Allenby Bridge border crossing from
: Jordan had misunderstood Chomsky’s intentions thinking initially he was
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a********6
发帖数: 14468 | 4 可恶的以色列和中美等国也没什么区别.
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: Chomsky Barred From West Bank by Israel
: http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/05/16/chomsky-barred-from-west-bank-by-israel/
: Updated | Monday | 2:40 p.m. Noam Chomsky, an American linguist and
: political thinker who has been critical of Israel, was denied entry into the
: West Bank on Sunday by Israeli immigration officials when he tried to cross
: into the Palestinian territory from Jordan to deliver a lecture.
: Amira Hass of the Israeli newspaper Haaretz reported:
: No reason was initially given for the decision, but the Interior Ministry
: later said immigration officials at the Allenby Bridge border crossing from
: Jordan had misunderstood Chomsky’s intentions thinking initially he was
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 5 那到不至于。中国的言论自由比人家还是差一些的，不过中国一直在进步。
【在 a********6 的大作中提到】
: 可恶的以色列和中美等国也没什么区别.
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 6 是啊
【在 e*u 的大作中提到】
: 不错啊，撕下脸皮了。
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l*****i
发帖数: 20533 | 7 50年代到70年代，中国新闻里头美国成天黑人运动学生运动又不是假新闻。可是80年代
以后打开国门，一些中国人到外国来一看，没看见，于是大呼当年上当，都说被骗了几
十年云云。 |
M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 8 中国媒体也有选择性失明，这毫无疑问
【在 l*****i 的大作中提到】
: 50年代到70年代，中国新闻里头美国成天黑人运动学生运动又不是假新闻。可是80年代
: 以后打开国门，一些中国人到外国来一看，没看见，于是大呼当年上当，都说被骗了几
: 十年云云。
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a********6
发帖数: 14468 | 9 你什么时候成了美轮? 美国,以色列的人权状况相当不好啦,当然,比中国好.
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: 那到不至于。中国的言论自由比人家还是差一些的，不过中国一直在进步。
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 10 我一直都说我喜欢、佩服美国。美国在我心里，是一个值得敬畏的、短短历史发展惊人
的、国民普遍人品好、国家行为却很为富不仁的国家
关于你后面那句，我会说，美国人权状况很不错，中国还差一些（但如果我是tg或者tg
发言人，是绝对不会这么说的），但中国的人权状况在过去十几年已经改善了很多。
【在 a********6 的大作中提到】
: 你什么时候成了美轮? 美国,以色列的人权状况相当不好啦,当然,比中国好.
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p******u
发帖数: 14642 | 11 跟animal farm一样，犹太鬼子跟纳粹鬼子越来越像了 |
a********6
发帖数: 14468 | 12 关于中国的人权进步,你主要说的是经济条件的改善吧.
tg
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: 我一直都说我喜欢、佩服美国。美国在我心里，是一个值得敬畏的、短短历史发展惊人
: 的、国民普遍人品好、国家行为却很为富不仁的国家
: 关于你后面那句，我会说，美国人权状况很不错，中国还差一些（但如果我是tg或者tg
: 发言人，是绝对不会这么说的），但中国的人权状况在过去十几年已经改善了很多。
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 13 西方定义的人权似乎只包括言论和自由。中国定义的包括经济方面的。
我认为经济是基础。所以，我认为中国脱贫的成绩是人权改善的表现。
你愿意采用西方的定义，我只能表示尊重。
【在 a********6 的大作中提到】
: 关于中国的人权进步,你主要说的是经济条件的改善吧.
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a********6
发帖数: 14468 | 14 这一点我更倾向于中国的定义.但是,中国把经济成分的权重搞得太大了.
如果单看物质生活,人和动物何异之有?
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: 西方定义的人权似乎只包括言论和自由。中国定义的包括经济方面的。
: 我认为经济是基础。所以，我认为中国脱贫的成绩是人权改善的表现。
: 你愿意采用西方的定义，我只能表示尊重。
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 15 人和动物，本来就没有神化的那样差异。
承认我是动物，好像是多么不知羞耻的事情。
咱讨论问题，不要用这些比喻，只能混淆视听，没多大用处。
你认为把经济成分的权重搞的太大，这至少是很值得讨论的问题。
横向比，我承认中国的言论自由比不上美国和欧洲。
89事件之后，任何统治阶级都免不了先收紧和控制言论。从90年代中期到现在，我觉得
国内的言论自由还是有很明显的改观的。从如何改善中国言论自由的战略角度，先让媒
体自由监督基层和中层政府，是很聪明的一招。首先，不会因为涉及tg统治地位而发生
社会大论战和动乱；其次，让老百姓觉得和自己更近的中低层官员腐败的事情得到暴露
，也是让老百姓切身体会变化。
【在 a********6 的大作中提到】
: 这一点我更倾向于中国的定义.但是,中国把经济成分的权重搞得太大了.
: 如果单看物质生活,人和动物何异之有?
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D********y
发帖数: 4948 | 16 中国有进步，但是需要不停得进步。我觉得美国在退步。 |
M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 17 同意
【在 D********y 的大作中提到】
: 中国有进步，但是需要不停得进步。我觉得美国在退步。
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r***k
发帖数: 13586 | 18 美国当然也在进步，从黑奴到黑人当选总统，从排华到华人当上部长，这难道不是进步？
中国屁民们最需要的自由不止是言论自由，他们还需要不被强拆的自由，被李刚儿子撞
了讨回公道的自由，孩子吃了毒奶粉后严惩凶手的自由。。。 |
N**t
发帖数: 1738 | 19 对啊，所有的犹太人都是以色列人，这是圣经上说的。所以Chomsky是以色列公民，拿
以色列护照，所
以以色列禁止他入境是限制言论自由。
等等，等等，这逻辑好像哪里有点问题，让我先用膝盖想想哈。
【在 M**d 的大作中提到】
: 别忘了Chomsky是个犹太人
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M**d
发帖数: 4418 | 20 特别鸣谢，哈哈
【在 N**t 的大作中提到】
: 对啊，所有的犹太人都是以色列人，这是圣经上说的。所以Chomsky是以色列公民，拿
: 以色列护照，所
: 以以色列禁止他入境是限制言论自由。
: 等等，等等，这逻辑好像哪里有点问题，让我先用膝盖想想哈。
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