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c**i
发帖数: 6973
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Hugh White, China Shifts Pacific Waters With Its Aircraft Carrier Trials>
Brisbane Times, Aug 30, 2011 (available now).
http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics
/china-shifts-pacific-waters-with-its-aircraft-carrier-trials-20110829-1jib4
.html
("But only aircraft carriers offer the round-the-clock protection for other
ships needed to achieve sea control. The catch is, you need carriers to
achieve sea control, but you need sea control to deploy your carriers.")
My comment: We all know that without air control, there is no sea control.
----------------------------------------Separately
(1) Yaakov Katz, Dispute Leaves Soldiers Without Missile Defense. Jarusalem
Post, Aug 29, 2011
http://www.jpost.com/Defense/Article.aspx?id=235824
(Each of the two Israeli defense companies make an anti-missile system for
tanks: Trophy from Rafael Advanced Defense Systems and Iron Fist from Israel
Military Industries (IMI). But the two companies are refusing to abide by
an order from Defense Ministry Dir.-Gen. Udi Shani to combine the active
protection systems each company is independently developing into a single
system for IDF use.
My comment: Israel classifies all information on the anti-tank systems. If
either is as good as touted, there is no need to combine them.
(2) Ajai Shukla, New Delhi Could Have Anti-Missile Shield by 2014. Business
Standard (New Delhi), Aug 29, 2011
http://www.business-standard.com/india/news
/new-delhi-could-have-anti-missile-shield-by-2014/447350/
(3) Swedish Couple Retires To The Tropics. Strategy Page, Aug 29, 2011
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/articles/20110829.aspx
("The Singapore Navy has received the first of two refurbished
Vaastergotland class submarines from Sweden. The refurb was really a
rebuilding of the two boats")
Västergötland and Gotland are two
provinces of Sweden.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provinces_of_Sweden
(4) MiG-35D Takes On The F-35. Strategy Page, Aug 28, 2011
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htairfo/articles/20110828.aspx
("still in development * * * The MiG-35D is a considerably redesigned MiG-29
* * * The MiG-35D has little stealth capability")
My commwent: Some claim China's J-20 is based on Mig-29. If so, the
quotation speaks volume.
(5) What Tyrants Learned From Libya. Strategy Page, Aug 28, 2011
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htlead/articles/20110828.aspx
("The most obvious error was to make too many enemies in countries that you
would need in a pinch. In short, if you are a tyrant, be on good terms with
tyrant-friendly Russia or China (preferably both.) It was the lack of one of
these friends that allowed the UN to pass resolution 1973, calling on any
nation to use their air power and warships to help prevent Libya from
attacking its citizens. * * * Without a UN resolution, few nations are
willing to intervene in a rebellion. It’s just not politically correct
without UN blessing. And that blessing can be stopped if you are on real
good terms with Russia or China.")
(6) Ukraine Feeds The Chinese War Machine. Strategy Page, Aug 27, 2011
http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htproc/articles/20110827.aspx
("China is buying 250 AI-222 jet engines, for its JL-15 trainer, from
Ukrainian firm Motor Sich. This is an extension of an earlier program that
had Motor Sich supplying AI-25 engines for the older K-8 trainer")
Note:
(a) Hongdu L-15
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_L-15
(supersonic)
(b) Hongdu JL-8
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hongdu_JL-8
(section 4 Variants: K8 喀喇昆仑-8, where 喀喇昆仑 is Karakorum in English)
* Hongdu Aviation Industry (Group) Corporation 洪都航空 (based in Nanchang),
formerly China Nanchang Aircraft Manufacturing Corporation.
* JL stands for JiaoLian 教练; L, for Lain 练.
(7) 中国少将曝光中共高官间谍. VOA Chinese, Aug 29, 2011
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110829-CHINA-SPIES-128577673.html
(8) 俄高官:俄罗斯没有天然气供应朝鲜. VOA Chinese, Aug 29, 2011
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110829-russia-gas-supply-north-korea-128582403.html
(俄罗斯总统远东地区全权代表伊沙耶夫 "说,俄罗斯只能从萨哈林3号能源项目和雅库
特地区的天然气田向朝鲜半岛出口天然气。莫斯科新闻时报报导,俄罗斯至少在近5年
内都无法向朝鲜半岛供应天然气。因为雅库特的天然气田只能等到2016年后才可投入使
用。而且为了向朝鲜半岛供应天然气,俄罗斯还需要额外建设一条从雅库特天然气田到
远东符拉迪沃斯托克也就是海参崴的天然气管道和其他配套输送系统。至于萨哈林3号
能源项目,目前仅仅处在勘探阶段,至少在2017年之前无法供气。")
My comment: The same limitations apply to China.
(9) 证据显示卡扎菲部队在首都沦陷后施暴. VOA Chinese, Aug 28, 2011
http://www.voanews.com/chinese/news
/20110828-LIBYA-128568203.html
("利比亚的幸存者和人权组织说,在反政府武装上周进入首都的时候,支持卡扎菲的部
队打死了数十名被拘押者,并任意处决了数十名平民,可能犯下了战争罪行")
g**w
发帖数: 969
2
建议你以后发文,在标题里加注 [choi],这样省得别人误入浪费时间

1jib4
other

【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Hugh White, China Shifts Pacific Waters With Its Aircraft Carrier Trials>
: Brisbane Times, Aug 30, 2011 (available now).
: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics
: /china-shifts-pacific-waters-with-its-aircraft-carrier-trials-20110829-1jib4
: .html
: ("But only aircraft carriers offer the round-the-clock protection for other
: ships needed to achieve sea control. The catch is, you need carriers to
: achieve sea control, but you need sea control to deploy your carriers.")
: My comment: We all know that without air control, there is no sea control.
: ----------------------------------------Separately

d*b
发帖数: 21830
3
台巴子又来了,你要说J20基于Su27还有人信,基于Mig29这种连鸡巴毛都没摸到的玩意
,谁信啊?
以后干脆说J20基于IDF经国号得了

1jib4
other

【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Hugh White, China Shifts Pacific Waters With Its Aircraft Carrier Trials>
: Brisbane Times, Aug 30, 2011 (available now).
: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics
: /china-shifts-pacific-waters-with-its-aircraft-carrier-trials-20110829-1jib4
: .html
: ("But only aircraft carriers offer the round-the-clock protection for other
: ships needed to achieve sea control. The catch is, you need carriers to
: achieve sea control, but you need sea control to deploy your carriers.")
: My comment: We all know that without air control, there is no sea control.
: ----------------------------------------Separately

h***e
发帖数: 20195
4
台巴吹教授,吹工了得,LOL

1jib4
other

【在 c**i 的大作中提到】
: Hugh White, China Shifts Pacific Waters With Its Aircraft Carrier Trials>
: Brisbane Times, Aug 30, 2011 (available now).
: http://www.brisbanetimes.com.au/opinion/politics
: /china-shifts-pacific-waters-with-its-aircraft-carrier-trials-20110829-1jib4
: .html
: ("But only aircraft carriers offer the round-the-clock protection for other
: ships needed to achieve sea control. The catch is, you need carriers to
: achieve sea control, but you need sea control to deploy your carriers.")
: My comment: We all know that without air control, there is no sea control.
: ----------------------------------------Separately

c**i
发帖数: 6973
5
You write, "你要说J20基于Su27还有人信."
China has stolen Su-27 for its own Shenyang J-11.
Thanks for the lousy suggestion, though.

【在 d*b 的大作中提到】
: 台巴子又来了,你要说J20基于Su27还有人信,基于Mig29这种连鸡巴毛都没摸到的玩意
: ,谁信啊?
: 以后干脆说J20基于IDF经国号得了
:
: 1jib4
: other

w*********g
发帖数: 30882
6
为什么是“dilemma”?
在中国导弹射程范围内,能够在战争状态下使用的美军机场寥寥无几。
因此中国掌握西太平洋的制空权应该没有悬念,从而掌握制海权也应该没有悬念。
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