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Military版 - The Opium War,真正的赢家?
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s********s
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zb-aecx4xQ
可能是第一本系统的英国人写的鸦片战争的书。可以说是另外一个阵营的声音。
值得一看,因为我的一个英国同事买了一本,似乎看的比较痛苦,比较痛苦接受一个事
实是:伟大的帝国也会为了贸易逆差变成了一个毒贩。。。
他特别希望和我讨论一下,真正开始讨论后,又说希望把书看完再讨论。
xt
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你这种思维定势不对。
你应该哼哼教导你的同事:英国鸦片战争是推行自由贸易,是符合普世
价值的。

【在 s********s 的大作中提到】
: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Zb-aecx4xQ
: 可能是第一本系统的英国人写的鸦片战争的书。可以说是另外一个阵营的声音。
: 值得一看,因为我的一个英国同事买了一本,似乎看的比较痛苦,比较痛苦接受一个事
: 实是:伟大的帝国也会为了贸易逆差变成了一个毒贩。。。
: 他特别希望和我讨论一下,真正开始讨论后,又说希望把书看完再讨论。

l*******t
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自由吸食鸦片是基本人权
s********s
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呵呵,楼上的两位搞笑了.
我从网上搞到了一些片断,看出来Julia的发现:林则徐明显害苦了道光...,太书生气,容
易冲动,没有考虑后果.
转个the observer的书评
In July 1840 a fleet of British warships approached the southern coast of
China, intent on avenging a series of insults and injuries inflicted on
British subjects over the preceding months. The first battle lasted nine
minutes. Thus began the first opium war, a series of unequal military
encounters lasting until 1842. A second opium war culminated in 1860 with
the looting and burning of the imperial pleasure grounds, the Yuan Ming Yuan
, in the northwest suburbs of Beijing by British and French troops.
At the time, as Julia Lovell explains lucidly and compellingly, these events
were perceived largely as a border skirmish. The Qing emperor was
preoccupied with a series of internal rebellions, and his officials were so
nervous of passing on the letters the British handed in that he had little
idea of what the trouble was about. When hostilities began, repeated
accounts of glorious Chinese victories over the barbarians left the emperor
in the dark about the real outcome. It was an inglorious episode on both
sides, with its roots in an expanding imperial power being rebuffed in its
efforts to trade: there was nothing, the Chinese loftily replied to the
British emissaries, that China needed or wanted from the west – not their
goods, not their ideas and certainly not their company. There was plenty
that the British wanted to buy from China, though, and by the 1780s, the
British appetite for tea and Chinese indifference to British goods had
produced a trade deficit that the East India Company began to fill by
supplying opium grown in British Bengal. It was a trade that greatly
benefited the British exchequer, the merchants who traded it, the officials
who grafted on it, the Chinese wholesalers who bought it and the foreign
missionaries who travelled with it.
Opium had been consumed in China since the eighth century and several
emperors had sung its praises. It began to be smoked with the introduction
of tobacco in the late 16th century, turning its consumption from a
medicinal to a social habit. By the 1830s, China was producing large
quantities of opium domestically, though the imported drug was judged
superior. The British traders argued, disingenuously no doubt, that they
were merely supplying an existing demand, delivering the opium to a network
of Chinese traders who distributed it across the empire.
When the indecisive and harassed Emperor Daoguang, himself a user when young
, came to the crumbling Qing throne in 1820, he attempted to stamp out a
habit that was all but universal. He was ostensibly moved by anxieties about
a balance of payments deficit and a shortage of silver, both blamed on the
opium trade, but Lovell argues that the trade also became the scapegoat for
the many ills and rebellions that beset the empire. In December 1838, after
years of debate and ineffective action, the emperor appointed Lin Zexu as
commissioner in Canton with instructions to stamp it out. Within two months
Lin had arrested 1,600 smokers and confiscated nearly 14 tonnes of opium.
In March 1839 Lin ordered all foreign merchants to hand over their stocks
and to undertake to bring no more. The British representative, Charles
Elliot, agreed to hand over more than 20,000 chests while assuring the
merchants that the British crown would make good the losses, thus
transforming the dispute into an affair of state. Lin reported to the
emperor that the matters were concluded satisfactorily. A few months later,
somewhat to his surprise, the British gunboats arrived.
A large cast of characters played their part in the tragicomedy that
resulted: incompetent officials, merchant adventurers, unscrupulous
politicians, drunken soldiers, muscular military imperialists and the
bewildered and vacillating emperor. By 1842 Britain was in possession of
Hong Kong after a military episode fought by now in the name of free trade,
and each side's view of the other was set.
No less interesting than the events themselves is Lovell's account of the
war's afterlife. For the British, the opium war defined the Chinese as
decadent orientals, caricatured in popular fiction in the early 20th century
. Their influence lingers in recurrent racist stereotypes as China's rise
sets western nerves on edge.
In today's China, the opium war has been elevated to a national cause. For
more than a century, the ruins of the Yuan Ming Yuan lay neglected. Today
they sit in one of many memorials to the "century of national humiliation"
constructed after the crushing of the student protests in Tiananmen Square
in 1989. In that moment of national crisis the communist party's right to
rule was challenged and its ideology discredited. The party's solution was
to try to persuade its people that a party that had just turned its guns on
the students was the sole defence against a west that had long conspired to
sabotage China.
Much was made of the 150th anniversary of the war the following year.
Scarcely mentioned in school text books until that point, the war became a
narrative of heroic resistance to western imperialist aggression that led
inevitably to socialism and communist party leadership. The Patriotic
Education Campaign that followed had three key arguments: that China, with
its long and unique history, was unready for democracy; that foreigners
caused all its sufferings; and that only the party could save the nation.
History remains, as the party defines it, a "meaningful security issue".
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