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R*I
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1
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
undergraduate admissions.
The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for
the current freshman class based on race or national origin, a department
spokesman said. The agency is looking into a similar August 2011 allegation
against Princeton as part of a review begun in 2008 of that school’s
handling of Asian-American candidates, said the spokesman, who declined to
be identified, citing department policy.
Both complaints involve the same applicant, who was among the top students
in his California high school class and whose family originally came from
India, according to the applicant’s father, who declined to be identified.
The new complaints, along with a case appealed last September to the U.S.
Supreme Court challenging preferences for blacks and Hispanics in college
admissions, may stir up the longstanding debate about whether elite
universities discriminate against Asian-Americans, the nation’s fastest-
growing and most affluent racial category.
Like Jews in the first half of the 20th century, who faced quotas at Harvard
, Princeton, and other Ivy League schools, Asian-Americans are over-
represented at top universities relative to their population, yet must meet
a higher standard than other applicants based on measures such as test
scores and high school grades, according to several academic studies.
Higher Bar
“Many Asian-Americans live for their children, sacrificing everything to
pay phenomenal tuition at these private schools,” said former Delaware
Lieutenant Governor S.B. Woo, president of the 80-20 Educational Foundation,
an Asian-American advocacy group. “They, at the same time, are very much
aware that their kids have to cross a much higher admissions bar.”
Harvard “does not discriminate against Asian-American applicants,” and
doesn’t comment on the specifics of complaints under federal review,
spokesman Jeff Neal said. Asian-Americans comprised 16 percent of Harvard
undergraduates in the 2010-2011 academic year, down from 18 percent in 2005-
2006, according to the university’s website.
“Our review of every applicant’s file is highly individualized and
holistic, as we give serious consideration to all of the information we
receive and all of the ways in which the candidate might contribute to our
vibrant educational environment and community,” Neal said.
‘Neutral Fact-Finder’
In a Jan. 11 letter to Cambridge, Massachusetts-based Harvard and to the
complainant, notifying them that it would investigate the allegation, the
Office for Civil Rights said that the action “in no way implies that OCR
has made a determination with regard to its merits. During the investigation
, OCR is a neutral fact-finder.”
The agency doesn’t release the names of complainants. While the Office for
Civil Rights has the power to terminate federal financial aid to colleges,
it almost always negotiates agreements with schools on steps required for
compliance, rather than taking enforcement action, the Education Department
spokesman said.
Princeton is aware of the 2011 complaint and will provide the government
with the requested information, university spokesman Martin Mbugua said. The
college, in Princeton, New Jersey, doesn’t discriminate on the basis of
race or national origin, he said.
“We make admissions decisions on a case-by-case basis in our efforts to
build a well-rounded, diverse class,” Mbugua said.
Fluctuating Rates
The proportion of Asian-Americans among Princeton undergraduates increased
to 17.7% this year from 14.1% in 2007- 2008. The rise reflects the tendency
of incoming classes to “fluctuate based on the assessment of individual
applications” rather than the impact of the federal review, Mbugua said.
A Chinese-American student, Jian Li, filed a complaint against Princeton
with the Education Department in 2006, alleging discrimination on the basis
of race or national origin. Li, who scored the maximum 2400 on the SAT and
2390 -- 10 points below the ceiling -- on subject tests in physics,
chemistry and calculus, was denied admission by Princeton, Harvard, Stanford
University, and the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
In 2008, the Office for Civil Rights broadened its examination of Li’s
complaint into a compliance review of whether Princeton discriminates
against Asian-Americans.
‘Substantially Identical’
Because the 2011 complaint against Princeton “raised substantially
identical issues,” the agency is folding it into the compliance review, the
Education Department spokesman said. Li enrolled at Yale University and
later transferred to Harvard, graduating in 2010. He declined to comment,
citing concerns about a backlash.
The Education Department received a complaint in September that Yale, in New
Haven, Connecticut, rejected an Asian-American applicant on the basis of
race, the department spokesman said. The complainant later withdrew the
allegation. It also involved the Indian-American student from California,
his father said.
Yale is unaware of the complaint, spokesman Thomas Conroy said. Asian-
Americans make up 15 percent of Yale undergraduates.
Asian-American applicants have to outperform their counterparts from other
backgrounds on the SAT to gain entry to elite universities, recent studies
show.
Test Scores
Asian-Americans admitted to the University of Wisconsin’s flagship Madison
campus in 2008 had a median math and reading SAT score of 1370 out of 1600,
compared to 1340 for whites, 1250 for Hispanics, and 1190 for blacks,
according to a 2011 study by the Center for Equal Opportunity, a Falls
Church, Virginia-based nonprofit group that opposes racial preferences in
college admissions.
“Clearly, both whites and Asian-Americans are discriminated against vis a
vis African-Americans and Latinos,” said Roger Clegg, the center’s
president. “At some of the more selective schools, Asians are also
discriminated against vis a vis whites.”
Because many Asian-Americans come from families that arrived in the U.S.
relatively recently, they are less likely than whites to qualify for
preference as alumni children, Clegg said. “Stereotyping takes place too”
of Asian-Americans, he said.
Asian-American students who enrolled at Duke University in Durham, North
Carolina in 2001 and 2002 scored 1457 out of 1600 on the math and reading
portion of the SAT, compared to 1416 for whites, 1347 for Hispanics and 1275
for blacks, according to a 2011 study co-authored by Duke economist Peter
Arcidiacono.
Higher Standard
If all other credentials are equal, Asian-Americans need to score 140 points
more than whites, 270 points higher than Hispanics, and 450 points above
African-Americans out of a maximum 1600 on the math and reading SAT to have
the same chance of admission to a private college, according to “No Longer
Separate, Not Yet Equal,” a 2009 book co-written by Princeton sociologist
Thomas Espenshade.
Budget-strapped state schools such as the University of California at San
Diego are reducing enrollment of Asian- Americans to make room for
international students from China and elsewhere who pay almost twice the
tuition of in-state residents, Bloomberg News reported Dec. 28.
Asian-American organizations are weighing in on both sides of a federal
lawsuit filed on behalf of Abigail Noel Fisher, a white student who was
rejected in 2008 by the University of Texas at Austin. Fisher v. Texas marks
the first federal court challenge to affirmative action in college
admissions filed since a 5-4 U.S. Supreme Court decision in the 2003 Grutter
v. Bollinger case, which upheld the use of race by the University of
Michigan law school to achieve a “critical mass” of under- represented
minority groups such as blacks, Hispanics and Native Americans.
University of Texas
The University of Texas automatically admits in-state applicants in the top
10 percent of their high school classes, who make up most of its students.
It then considers race in selecting the remainder of its freshman class.
The suit contends that the top 10 percent program is enough to ensure
campuswide diversity. The university responds that, without taking race into
account, many individual courses would have hardly any black or Hispanic
students.
After federal district and appeals courts upheld the university’s position,
the U.S. Supreme Court is considering whether to hear the Fisher case. The
Justice Department supports the university.
Discrimination
“Asian-American students suffer discrimination at the hands of the
University of Texas at Austin,” the Asian-American Legal Foundation said in
a friend-of-the-court brief for the plaintiff. While the university
justifies its preference for Hispanic applicants as an effort to diversify
classrooms, it has more Hispanic students than Asian-Americans, the San
Francisco- based foundation said.
With changes in the Supreme Court’s composition since Grutter, including
Samuel Alito Jr. replacing the retired Sandra Day O’Connor, who wrote the
majority ruling, the justices may take the opportunity to strike down race-
conscious admissions policies, said Woo, the head of the Newark, Delaware-
based 80-20 Educational Foundation.
The foundation plans to submit a brief supporting the plaintiff if the
Supreme Court takes the case.
Woo also co-founded a political action committee that endorses candidates
who promise to consider Asian-Americans for key positions such as judgeships
.
Hiding Racial Identity
“The prevailing college admission policy artificially places highly
qualified Asian-American applicants to compete against each other rather
than against the general pool of all applicants, instilling such a fear that
many Asian-Americans hide their own racial identity” on applications, the
committee stated in December.
Four Asian-American organizations backed the University of Texas in a brief
to the appeals court, arguing that Asian- Americans benefit from learning in
a racially diverse environment.
“It is simply a misstatement to argue that Asian-Americans are victims,”
the groups wrote.
There are 14.7 million Americans of Asian descent only, plus 2.6 million who
are multiracial including Asian, according to the 2010 U.S. census. The
combined 17.3 million comprises 5.6 percent of the population, up 46 percent
from 2000. Median household income for single-race Asian-Americans exceeds
$65,000, compared with a national average of $50,000. Half of those 25 and
older hold college degrees, almost double the national average.
Harvard Revisited
The Education Department’s Office for Civil Rights first examined Harvard’
s handling of Asian-American applicants more than 20 years ago. It turned up
stereotyping by Harvard evaluators, such as this comment about one Asian-
American candidate: “He’s quiet and, of course, wants to be a doctor.”
It also documented that Harvard admitted Asian-Americans at a lower rate
than white applicants even though the Asian- Americans had slightly stronger
SAT scores and grades. Nevertheless, the agency concluded in 1990 that
Harvard didn’t violate civil rights laws because preferences for alumni
children and recruited athletes, rather than racial discrimination,
accounted for the gap.
The issue remains unresolved, said Stephen Hsu, a physics professor at the
University of Oregon who blogs about the admissions process.
“The only way to answer these questions is to force these schools to open
their data sets,” he said. “College admissions should be transparent.”
f****e
发帖数: 793
2
“Substantially Identical”。。。
v***t
发帖数: 27100
3
明泽,瓜瓜,晓丹被歧视了吗?

University
allegation

【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for
: the current freshman class based on race or national origin, a department
: spokesman said. The agency is looking into a similar August 2011 allegation
: against Princeton as part of a review begun in 2008 of that school’s
: handling of Asian-American candidates, said the spokesman, who declined to

P*****t
发帖数: 4978
4
哈佛还好,普林斯顿出了名的招生歧视亚裔。不过人是私校,难道外人还能管?

University
allegation

【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for
: the current freshman class based on race or national origin, a department
: spokesman said. The agency is looking into a similar August 2011 allegation
: against Princeton as part of a review begun in 2008 of that school’s
: handling of Asian-American candidates, said the spokesman, who declined to

d******g
发帖数: 6966
5
亚洲孩子为什么不在race上写不知道,不确定?如果整个系统是歧视你,你还循规蹈矩就是傻逼.
xt
发帖数: 17532
6
没有用吧,人家看看名字能知道啊。
现在性别是不是也可以选择Male, Female, Miscellaneous?

矩就是傻逼.

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 亚洲孩子为什么不在race上写不知道,不确定?如果整个系统是歧视你,你还循规蹈矩就是傻逼.
g*****c
发帖数: 4378
7
the kids is simply not good enough, period
j***b
发帖数: 5901
8
那孩子怎样不知道,你的英语是够烂的。

【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: the kids is simply not good enough, period
T*R
发帖数: 36302
9
外F的沾光。

【在 xt 的大作中提到】
: 没有用吧,人家看看名字能知道啊。
: 现在性别是不是也可以选择Male, Female, Miscellaneous?
:
: 矩就是傻逼.

o******s
发帖数: 2946
10
填black

University
allegation

【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for
: the current freshman class based on race or national origin, a department
: spokesman said. The agency is looking into a similar August 2011 allegation
: against Princeton as part of a review begun in 2008 of that school’s
: handling of Asian-American candidates, said the spokesman, who declined to

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For Asian Americans, a changing landscape on college admissions纽约时报的反AA时评:Is Harvard Unfair to Asian-Americans? (转载)
ZT 这篇文章解释了为什么Asian American不算diversityHarvard Unfair to Asian-Americans?
r*******r
发帖数: 2554
11
happy to see ABCes are standing out to speak for themselves.

University
allegation

【在 R*I 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-02/harvard-targeted-in-u-
: The U.S. Education Department is probing complaints that Harvard University
: and Princeton University discriminate against Asian-Americans in
: undergraduate admissions.
: The department’s Office for Civil Rights is investigating a complaint it
: received in August that Harvard rejected an Asian- American candidate for
: the current freshman class based on race or national origin, a department
: spokesman said. The agency is looking into a similar August 2011 allegation
: against Princeton as part of a review begun in 2008 of that school’s
: handling of Asian-American candidates, said the spokesman, who declined to

d******g
发帖数: 6966
12
如果每个人他们还要研究姓名...你觉得他们会有那么多功夫? 反正我认为所有亚洲孩
子都应该填unknown,彻底搞乱他们的系统,至少让他们歧视我们的小孩难度高点。

【在 xt 的大作中提到】
: 没有用吧,人家看看名字能知道啊。
: 现在性别是不是也可以选择Male, Female, Miscellaneous?
:
: 矩就是傻逼.

s***q
发帖数: 10585
13
Last name可以看出来
霉国大学还有interview

矩就是傻逼.

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 亚洲孩子为什么不在race上写不知道,不确定?如果整个系统是歧视你,你还循规蹈矩就是傻逼.
j***b
发帖数: 5901
14
如果看race只有一秒钟时间,那看名字也同样就是一秒钟时间。

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 如果每个人他们还要研究姓名...你觉得他们会有那么多功夫? 反正我认为所有亚洲孩
: 子都应该填unknown,彻底搞乱他们的系统,至少让他们歧视我们的小孩难度高点。

s***q
发帖数: 10585
15
外F的后代很多也被认为Asian

【在 T*R 的大作中提到】
: 外F的沾光。
r*******r
发帖数: 2554
16
他们还是会看的。我们一老师还特意跑来问我,Patrick Chung的last name是不是中国
姓。

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 如果每个人他们还要研究姓名...你觉得他们会有那么多功夫? 反正我认为所有亚洲孩
: 子都应该填unknown,彻底搞乱他们的系统,至少让他们歧视我们的小孩难度高点。

d******g
发帖数: 6966
17
你我看亚洲姓是一秒钟,对于白猪尼格猪来说看到race上直接写asian和看到不同的乱
七八糟名字推出是asian的工作量肯定不同,然后再乘以巨量的申请人数,多出来的工作
量绝对不小

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: 如果看race只有一秒钟时间,那看名字也同样就是一秒钟时间。
N*****m
发帖数: 42603
18
还有interview呢
只有整容这条路了

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 你我看亚洲姓是一秒钟,对于白猪尼格猪来说看到race上直接写asian和看到不同的乱
: 七八糟名字推出是asian的工作量肯定不同,然后再乘以巨量的申请人数,多出来的工作
: 量绝对不小

d******g
发帖数: 6966
19
拿到interview的人已经是被筛选过了吧?能在interview之前保证不被歧视已经很不错了
到了interview这步就看个人造化了

【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 还有interview呢
: 只有整容这条路了

N*****m
发帖数: 42603
20
所以你改了名字也没用呀

错了

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 拿到interview的人已经是被筛选过了吧?能在interview之前保证不被歧视已经很不错了
: 到了interview这步就看个人造化了

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d******g
发帖数: 6966
21
我又没说要改名字,我说所有的亚洲小孩应该在race上写unknown至少在interview之前
和别人公平竞争

【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 所以你改了名字也没用呀
:
: 错了

N*****m
发帖数: 42603
22
分特,那所有race unknown不就是亚裔了。

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 我又没说要改名字,我说所有的亚洲小孩应该在race上写unknown至少在interview之前
: 和别人公平竞争

d******g
发帖数: 6966
23
也有很多不是亚裔写unknown...所以他们就没办法很轻松地歧视亚裔,这就是我的观点

【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 分特,那所有race unknown不就是亚裔了。
N*****m
发帖数: 42603
24
很少吧

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 也有很多不是亚裔写unknown...所以他们就没办法很轻松地歧视亚裔,这就是我的观点
d******g
发帖数: 6966
25
http://talk.collegeconfidential.com/college-admissions/441477-f
growing-ethnic-category-great-colleges-race-unknown.html
http://www.usatoday.com/news/education/story/2011-12-03/asian-s
college-applications/51620236/1

【在 N*****m 的大作中提到】
: 很少吧
w*********g
发帖数: 30882
26
too simple, sometimes naive.
美国是WASP建立的国家,指望他们不歧视你,纯粹是做梦啊。
要是不歧视,普林斯顿、哈佛、耶鲁早就被犹太人和亚裔塞满了,哪里轮得到白垃圾?
g*****c
发帖数: 4378
27
I know that.but fortunately I don't make a living out of 英语

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: 那孩子怎样不知道,你的英语是够烂的。
d******g
发帖数: 6966
28
你没有办法阻止别人歧视你,但是你有办法让别人歧视你的难度增高,比如我说的所有
亚洲孩子race写unknown就是一个方法

dreaming. If they don't discrimmate you, Princeton and Harvard would have
been filled with Jewishes and Asians

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
: too simple, sometimes naive.
: 美国是WASP建立的国家,指望他们不歧视你,纯粹是做梦啊。
: 要是不歧视,普林斯顿、哈佛、耶鲁早就被犹太人和亚裔塞满了,哪里轮得到白垃圾?

j***b
发帖数: 5901
29
名字太容易看出来了。没用。不要天真地以为他们不看名字。前几天有一个报道说这个
的。绝对看名字。嫁亚裔的白人都跑不了。

have

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 你没有办法阻止别人歧视你,但是你有办法让别人歧视你的难度增高,比如我说的所有
: 亚洲孩子race写unknown就是一个方法
:
: dreaming. If they don't discrimmate you, Princeton and Harvard would have
: been filled with Jewishes and Asians

d******g
发帖数: 6966
30
我相信他们看名字,但是我也相信他们如果每个人都要从名字来推出这个人是asian,工
作量会急剧上升,也就是我说的"歧视你的难度大增".

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: 名字太容易看出来了。没用。不要天真地以为他们不看名字。前几天有一个报道说这个
: 的。绝对看名字。嫁亚裔的白人都跑不了。
:
: have

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w*********g
发帖数: 30882
31

Nonsense. Why do the universities ask for interview? You think they want to
figure out your personality? For white people, it's true. But before that,
they have to figure out you are not Asians or Muslims.

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 你没有办法阻止别人歧视你,但是你有办法让别人歧视你的难度增高,比如我说的所有
: 亚洲孩子race写unknown就是一个方法
:
: dreaming. If they don't discrimmate you, Princeton and Harvard would have
: been filled with Jewishes and Asians

d******g
发帖数: 6966
32
我已经说了,interview已经是帅选过的了. 能让亚洲孩子在interview之前公平竞争已
经很不错了.

to

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: Nonsense. Why do the universities ask for interview? You think they want to
: figure out your personality? For white people, it's true. But before that,
: they have to figure out you are not Asians or Muslims.

N*****m
发帖数: 42603
33
有个球的工作量

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 我相信他们看名字,但是我也相信他们如果每个人都要从名字来推出这个人是asian,工
: 作量会急剧上升,也就是我说的"歧视你的难度大增".

g*****c
发帖数: 4378
34
are you sure?
I think everyone get interviewed.
they just get some alumni volunteers chat with you

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 我已经说了,interview已经是帅选过的了. 能让亚洲孩子在interview之前公平竞争已
: 经很不错了.
:
: to

d******g
发帖数: 6966
35
哦那我不是很清楚...反正我们的立场都差不多没什么好争的...我就是觉得在这里讨论
亚洲孩子怎么对付aa要比讨论韩寒之类的有意义

【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: are you sure?
: I think everyone get interviewed.
: they just get some alumni volunteers chat with you

N*****m
发帖数: 42603
36
no way
too many applicants

【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: are you sure?
: I think everyone get interviewed.
: they just get some alumni volunteers chat with you

w*********g
发帖数: 30882
37

要回答这个问题不能不谈谈历史。根据加大教授Jerome Karabel在The Chosen这本书里
谈到,在1930年以前具有美国大学学历的人口不到 3%。只有非常有钱以及非常优秀的
学生才有办法上大学。当时美国的大学录取程序虽然没有中国高考般一翻两瞪眼,但也
很简单,一切依照高中成绩加上一份自传以及推荐书。但是因为 20世纪初开始欧洲战
乱不断,大量欧洲犹太人涌入美国。犹太人重视孩子的教育,这群犹太人第二代成长之
後大量进入常春藤名校。1922年纽约的哥伦比亚大学新生居然有40%是犹太人。美国当
时的种族歧视目标是犹太人,看到这种现象当然不能忍受。因此由哈佛大学校长Lowell
向所有名校校长发动一个秘密的号召,就是开始增加包括体育,社团领导的各项课外活
动,而且有一个必杀绝技就是增加面试程序,这种种程序明眼人一看就知道是专门针对
犹太人设的路障。但是这种方式的好处的确也较容易找出四育均衡发展的学生。因此慢
慢地被所有的学校采用。演变成当今的大学入学申请程序。
所以这就是针对你的问题的答案。在这种制度之下,任何学校都不会更不可能将自己的
录取标准说清楚,如此不但可以避免引发任何争议,而且可以精挑细选他说认为符合资
格者的学生。例如2006有一位SAT2400的中国学生申请普林斯顿被拒绝,忿而提告普林
斯顿种族歧视,结果一审就败诉。原因太简单了,因为SAT仅是评估项目之一,任何学
生都无法证明自己数字无法表达的表现能够出类拔萃。说好学校申请人太多,只要有一
个招生官觉得申请书稍微有瑕疵,申请人可能就无法逃脱被拒绝的命运。这也是为什麼
大部份经过这个程序的人,除非一切全部顶尖,也会觉得运气扮演一定的角色。
20世纪末以来中国印度韩国学生大量涌入名校,犹太人早已在美国建立滩头堡,变成歧
视别人的主流。在大学校园,中国学生变成犹太人,正在享受著犹太人当年待遇。

【在 d******g 的大作中提到】
: 我已经说了,interview已经是帅选过的了. 能让亚洲孩子在interview之前公平竞争已
: 经很不错了.
:
: to

j***b
发帖数: 5901
38
这就是扯淡了。明明录取的时候就是看race的。你试试让他们不看race看看。其它标准
爱怎么设怎么设,看看是不是亚裔挤破他门槛。
没人说要大学只看sat,学习成绩。就是要求他们不看race而已。
总有老中一听到这个就贱贱地上来说“sat不能说明一切”云云。现在问题不是我们老中想用sat说明
一切,而是老美在用race说明一切。

Lowell

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: 要回答这个问题不能不谈谈历史。根据加大教授Jerome Karabel在The Chosen这本书里
: 谈到,在1930年以前具有美国大学学历的人口不到 3%。只有非常有钱以及非常优秀的
: 学生才有办法上大学。当时美国的大学录取程序虽然没有中国高考般一翻两瞪眼,但也
: 很简单,一切依照高中成绩加上一份自传以及推荐书。但是因为 20世纪初开始欧洲战
: 乱不断,大量欧洲犹太人涌入美国。犹太人重视孩子的教育,这群犹太人第二代成长之
: 後大量进入常春藤名校。1922年纽约的哥伦比亚大学新生居然有40%是犹太人。美国当
: 时的种族歧视目标是犹太人,看到这种现象当然不能忍受。因此由哈佛大学校长Lowell
: 向所有名校校长发动一个秘密的号召,就是开始增加包括体育,社团领导的各项课外活
: 动,而且有一个必杀绝技就是增加面试程序,这种种程序明眼人一看就知道是专门针对

T*********s
发帖数: 2987
39
Every applicants that passes some computer screen (SAT > 2200, or 1800 if
you are an URM-underrepresented minority) gets an alumni interview.
Harvard, Priceton get ~35k applicants each year. They have thousands of
alumni interviews. 10-15 interview for each alumnus.
d******g
发帖数: 6966
40
支持aa的老中或亚洲人就是贱之极没出息,孩子长大也是废物

老中想用sat说明

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: 这就是扯淡了。明明录取的时候就是看race的。你试试让他们不看race看看。其它标准
: 爱怎么设怎么设,看看是不是亚裔挤破他门槛。
: 没人说要大学只看sat,学习成绩。就是要求他们不看race而已。
: 总有老中一听到这个就贱贱地上来说“sat不能说明一切”云云。现在问题不是我们老中想用sat说明
: 一切,而是老美在用race说明一切。
:
: Lowell

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m******3
发帖数: 983
41
In the college application,
You are required to put parents' information (name, occupation, city and
country of birth) in the college application. Many Asian parents were born
in China (or other Asian countries).
Although the students can choose do not diclose the race. The parents'
informtion will tell the admin officer that the students is Asian origin.
The most difficult group to be admitted to Ivy is Asian boys. For Asian
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But for Asian boys, you need to have top top ranking and scores to get
admitted.
y****e
发帖数: 23939
42
“ The university responds that, without taking race into
account, many individual courses would have hardly any black or Hispanic
students. ”
w*********g
发帖数: 30882
43

老中想用sat说明
Yeah. You are right. What I wanted to show is that the universities always
take race as a fundamental standard, because they can not compete with
Asians on intelligence, industry and insistence on strict requirement on
kids. They have no choice but to discriminate Asians, or else the white will
get no chance to enter the top universities. The top universities would be
like Tsinghua or Peking University.

【在 j***b 的大作中提到】
: 这就是扯淡了。明明录取的时候就是看race的。你试试让他们不看race看看。其它标准
: 爱怎么设怎么设,看看是不是亚裔挤破他门槛。
: 没人说要大学只看sat,学习成绩。就是要求他们不看race而已。
: 总有老中一听到这个就贱贱地上来说“sat不能说明一切”云云。现在问题不是我们老中想用sat说明
: 一切,而是老美在用race说明一切。
:
: Lowell

R*I
发帖数: 1840
44
We will see how the supreme court rules this time,

will
be

【在 w*********g 的大作中提到】
:
: 老中想用sat说明
: Yeah. You are right. What I wanted to show is that the universities always
: take race as a fundamental standard, because they can not compete with
: Asians on intelligence, industry and insistence on strict requirement on
: kids. They have no choice but to discriminate Asians, or else the white will
: get no chance to enter the top universities. The top universities would be
: like Tsinghua or Peking University.

D**S
发帖数: 24887
45
话怎么能这么说?
校长也不敢这么说.
你要是认了,这事情就一再发生了.
所以要敬佩这个老印.

【在 P*****t 的大作中提到】
: 哈佛还好,普林斯顿出了名的招生歧视亚裔。不过人是私校,难道外人还能管?
:
: University
: allegation

D**S
发帖数: 24887
46
What is "kids"?

【在 g*****c 的大作中提到】
: the kids is simply not good enough, period
D**S
发帖数: 24887
47
你怎么回答的?

国姓。

【在 r*******r 的大作中提到】
: 他们还是会看的。我们一老师还特意跑来问我,Patrick Chung的last name是不是中国
: 姓。

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