g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 1 http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aG_I0hrD
The bodies and parts currently on display in New York are licensed to
Premier by the Dalian Hoffen Bio Technique Company Limited ("DHBTC"). DHBTC
acquired the bodies indirectly from the Chinese Bureau of Police, which
deemed them unclaimed at death. | g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 2 总检察长申明:该公司在纽约市必须停止展示无法说明死亡情况的尸体.
DHBTC
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aG_I0hrD
: The bodies and parts currently on display in New York are licensed to
: Premier by the Dalian Hoffen Bio Technique Company Limited ("DHBTC"). DHBTC
: acquired the bodies indirectly from the Chinese Bureau of Police, which
: deemed them unclaimed at death.
| p*********g
发帖数: 9527 | | H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 4 仅供参考。
"We record each anatomical specimen we received from medical schools and
other research facilities in China, none of them were executed prisoners,"
he said.
========================================================
Due to allegations from von Hagens, Sui filed lawsuits in China and Florida
against the German. Sui said the German sees him as a threat to his bottom
line.
Sui said he never lies about the source of the bodies.
"We record each anatomical specimen we received from medical schools and
other research facilities in China, none of them were executed prisoners,"
he said.
Sun Deqiang, who worked for von Hagens from 2000 to 2009, testified during
the Florida trial last year that his boss paid him to lie to ABC News.
Being a Buddhist, he said that he had to tell the truth to protect the
reputation of China from human rights critics.
"At that time, von Hagens told me that our Body Worlds exhibitions were
facing a grim challenge," Sun said in a telephone interview with the Global
Times. "He said Sui"s human body exhibitions have tremendously impacted the
development of our company."
He also said he had received about 10,000 euros ($14,400) as a reward. Von
Hagens, 65, who has Parkinson"s disease, declined to comment on the cases
and has told a reporter he wants his body to be displayed.
http://www.globaltimes.cn/NEWS/tabid/99/ID/644771/Hall-of-the-d | g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 5 公司老板说的话可信还是纽约总检察长的公开申明可信?
希望你智商高于80
Florida
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 仅供参考。
: "We record each anatomical specimen we received from medical schools and
: other research facilities in China, none of them were executed prisoners,"
: he said.
: ========================================================
: Due to allegations from von Hagens, Sui filed lawsuits in China and Florida
: against the German. Sui said the German sees him as a threat to his bottom
: line.
: Sui said he never lies about the source of the bodies.
: "We record each anatomical specimen we received from medical schools and
| H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 6 大连公司的老板Dr.Sui最早是德国那个Dr. Death （von Hagens）手下的高管。后来两
人闹崩了，Dr.Sui出来单干，Von Hagen这才出来打官司，说大连的尸源不合法，并且
出了一笔钱让一个中国员工做假证。
所以说，根子还是经济纠纷。
The relationship between Sui and his German teacher was professional in
nature until Sui left and opened his own business.
Between 1996 and 2001, von Hagens ran a plastination lab in Dalian
affiliated with the Dalian Medical University, according to his biography on
his website which he uses to sell human and animal body parts. He declined
to be interviewed.
Sui said he was general manger at von Hagens" company before establishing
his own plant in Dalian 11 years ago.
"We had many different opinions on many things," he said. Sui said he wanted
to create a reputation for himself.
"Whenever people talk about plastination, they talk about von Hagens, but I
want to separate his name and plastination," Sui said.
In 2008, an American TV program interviewed a Chinese medical technician who
said he collected bodies of executed prisoners for Chinese companies,
which they then exported to be used in shows in the US.
The program, "20/20" aired photos of bodies dumped in the snow but the
report concluded there was "no hard evidence" proving that bodies of
executed prisoners were part of a show.
Weeks after the report, Arnie Geller, the then-CEO of Premier Exhibitions,
which organized the show featuring dead bodies, resigned. A year later,
Hawaii was the first US state to officially ban paid exhibitions with human
bodies.
Due to allegations from von Hagens, Sui filed lawsuits in China and Florida
against the German. Sui said the German sees him as a threat to his bottom
line.
Sui said he never lies about the source of the bodies.
"We record each anatomical specimen we received from medical schools and
other research facilities in China, none of them were executed prisoners,"
he said.
Sun Deqiang, who worked for von Hagens from 2000 to 2009, testified during
the Florida trial last year that his boss paid him to lie to ABC News.
Being a Buddhist, he said that he had to tell the truth to protect the
reputation of China from human rights critics.
"At that time, von Hagens told me that our Body Worlds exhibitions were
facing a grim challenge," Sun said in a telephone interview with the Global
Times. "He said Sui"s human body exhibitions have tremendously impacted the
development of our company."
He also said he had received about 10,000 euros ($14,400) as a reward. Von
Hagens, 65, who has Parkinson"s disease, declined to comment on the cases
and has told a reporter he wants his body to be displayed.
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: 公司老板说的话可信还是纽约总检察长的公开申明可信?
: 希望你智商高于80
:
: Florida
| g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 7 该公司有义务提供死亡情况说明和证明,
以及本人或者家属的同意书.
其他不要扯.
on
declined
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 大连公司的老板Dr.Sui最早是德国那个Dr. Death （von Hagens）手下的高管。后来两
: 人闹崩了，Dr.Sui出来单干，Von Hagen这才出来打官司，说大连的尸源不合法，并且
: 出了一笔钱让一个中国员工做假证。
: 所以说，根子还是经济纠纷。
: The relationship between Sui and his German teacher was professional in
: nature until Sui left and opened his own business.
: Between 1996 and 2001, von Hagens ran a plastination lab in Dalian
: affiliated with the Dalian Medical University, according to his biography on
: his website which he uses to sell human and animal body parts. He declined
: to be interviewed.
| H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 8 纽约总检察长声明的基础，就是来自sun Deqiang在美国电视节目上的作证说尸体来源
是枪毙犯人。
而Sun Deqiang次年在佛罗里达法庭上作证时，已经承认自己是收了Von Hagen的钱做伪
证。
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: 该公司有义务提供死亡情况说明和证明,
: 以及本人或者家属的同意书.
: 其他不要扯.
:
: on
: declined
| J******e
发帖数: 263 | 9 Von Hagens forced to return controversial corpses to China
The controversial German anatomist Gunther von Hagens last night agreed to
return seven corpses to China after admitting that the bodies used in his
exhibitions might have come from executed prisoners.
Professor Von Hagens, whose show Body Worlds provoked fascination and
disgust when it opened in London two years ago, said the corpses would now
be buried. His statement follows a damning exposé this week by the German
magazine Der Spiegel.
It revealed that at least two corpses out of some 647 stored by the
anatomist at his centre in China had bullet holes in their skulls. Splashing
the story on its cover under the headline Dr Death, the magazine this week
produced damning email correspondence from Prof Von Hagens' Chinese manager,
Sui Hongjin.
In December 2001 Dr Hongjin boasted that he had obtained the bodies of a "
young man and young woman" who had "died" that morning. The pair were "fresh
examples" of the "highest quality", the doctor said - and had been killed
by a shot to the head.
Speaking yesterday Prof Von Hagens, who earned the tabloid soubriquet Dr
Frankenstein after performing a live televised autopsy on a German alcoholic
in 2002, said: "I have told my Chinese employees that they can't accept
bodies that were executed."
He added: "I can't prove the bodies weren't executed, but I believe they
weren't." He said he received his bodies from Chinese officials but could
not be sure of their origins.
He said he only discovered last week that seven corpses in his collection
had head injuries. The fedora-wearing scientist now lives in the Chinese
city of Dalian and employs 200 people to dissect and preserve corpses at a
centre.
The centre is close to three prison camps, which are home to political
detainees and members of the banned Falun Gong movement. According to
Amnesty International, China's communist authorities executed 2,468 people
in 2001 by shooting them in the head or the back of the neck. Prof Von
Hagens has previously been accused of buying the corpses of prisoners,
homeless people and the mentally ill in Russia - a charge he denies.
So far nearly 14 million people in Britain, Germany, Japan and Korea have
seen the travelling corpse show. The exhibition shows the human body in a
series of poses: one figure rides a rearing horse, while in another a
pregnant woman reclines. Yesterday Prof Von Hagens, whose show has just
opened in Frankfurt, insisted that all the people who appear in his
exhibition had signed releases prior to their death.
Since the inception of his Body Worlds exhibits, protesters have pointed out
that Prof Von Hagens' work is in bad taste and insults the dead. The show
in Frankfurt, which opened last week, was met with criticism by the Lutheran
church, which promised a prayer vigil and a series of lectures in response.
At a London show, two visitors vandalised parts of the exhibit on separate
occasions, and in Munich last year, city leaders would allow the show only
after Prof Von Hagens agreed to remove some of the more dramatic exhibits,
including a corpse posed like a fencer.
Karl Hafen, who was among a small group of protesters at the press
conference, carried a sign calling Prof Von Hagens' work immoral. "I have to
say, anyone who does business with Russia or China, that person must know
that these governments are corrupt," he said. "If you are buying cheap
specimens in China, that should tip you off." | g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 10 你丫是不是在搞笑啊?
举证责任是该公司,
应该提出死亡说明和相关证明,和同意书.
只要该公司有可核实的材料
某员工做伪证屁用没有.
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 纽约总检察长声明的基础，就是来自sun Deqiang在美国电视节目上的作证说尸体来源
: 是枪毙犯人。
: 而Sun Deqiang次年在佛罗里达法庭上作证时，已经承认自己是收了Von Hagen的钱做伪
: 证。
| | | h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 11 枪毙的犯人头上不都有个洞么，撒这种谎还有没有智商了
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 纽约总检察长声明的基础，就是来自sun Deqiang在美国电视节目上的作证说尸体来源
: 是枪毙犯人。
: 而Sun Deqiang次年在佛罗里达法庭上作证时，已经承认自己是收了Von Hagen的钱做伪
: 证。
| g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 12 就在前面的文章,
脑袋上就被查出枪洞了.
It revealed that at least two corpses out of some 647 stored by the
anatomist at his centre in China had bullet holes in their skulls. Splashing
the story on its cover under the headline Dr Death
【在 h*******u 的大作中提到】
: 枪毙的犯人头上不都有个洞么，撒这种谎还有没有智商了
| H****g
发帖数: 14447 | 13 玩这种移花接木的游戏没劲吧？脑袋上查出枪洞的新闻时间是2004年的，是用来指控
Von Hagens的。
而你主贴的新闻时间是2008年，是怀疑和Von Hagens分家后的中国人办的公司 Dalian
Hoffen Bio Technique Company（DHBTC）使用了犯人尸体。
而后者之所以被怀疑使用犯人尸体，并不是因为查出来枪洞，仅仅是因为Von Hagens收
买的一个中国员工去电视台这么说的。而这个中国人第二年就承认是Von Hagens给了钱
做伪证。
你现在拿2004年Von Hagens公司的尸体有枪洞，来证明2008年Von Hagens公司的竞争对
手DHBTC也使用了犯人尸体，逻辑上算什么？算张冠李戴？还是算大脑进水？
Splashing
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: 就在前面的文章,
: 脑袋上就被查出枪洞了.
: It revealed that at least two corpses out of some 647 stored by the
: anatomist at his centre in China had bullet holes in their skulls. Splashing
: the story on its cover under the headline Dr Death
| g*******1
发帖数: 6009 | 14 最后一次说明,
举证责任是该公司不是别人.
Dalian
【在 H****g 的大作中提到】
: 玩这种移花接木的游戏没劲吧？脑袋上查出枪洞的新闻时间是2004年的，是用来指控
: Von Hagens的。
: 而你主贴的新闻时间是2008年，是怀疑和Von Hagens分家后的中国人办的公司 Dalian
: Hoffen Bio Technique Company（DHBTC）使用了犯人尸体。
: 而后者之所以被怀疑使用犯人尸体，并不是因为查出来枪洞，仅仅是因为Von Hagens收
: 买的一个中国员工去电视台这么说的。而这个中国人第二年就承认是Von Hagens给了钱
: 做伪证。
: 你现在拿2004年Von Hagens公司的尸体有枪洞，来证明2008年Von Hagens公司的竞争对
: 手DHBTC也使用了犯人尸体，逻辑上算什么？算张冠李戴？还是算大脑进水？
:
| t***h
发帖数: 5601 | 15 (This is a reformatted version of a press release issued by the Office of
the New York Attorney General, obtained from www.oag.state.ny.us.)
May 29, 2008
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aG_I0hrD
: The bodies and parts currently on display in New York are licensed to
: Premier by the Dalian Hoffen Bio Technique Company Limited ("DHBTC"). DHBTC
: acquired the bodies indirectly from the Chinese Bureau of Police, which
: deemed them unclaimed at death.
| b*********r
发帖数: 2532 | 16 绝对有惊人的黑幕
DHBTC
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aG_I0hrD
: The bodies and parts currently on display in New York are licensed to
: Premier by the Dalian Hoffen Bio Technique Company Limited ("DHBTC"). DHBTC
: acquired the bodies indirectly from the Chinese Bureau of Police, which
: deemed them unclaimed at death.
| w****w
发帖数: 14828 | 17 无论是哪种，本来中国做遗体捐献的人就很少，这样的新闻出来后，对有捐献意愿的人
是更大的打击 | t*******n
发帖数: 446 | | t***h
发帖数: 5601 | 19 遗体捐献是用于医学目的或器官移植的, 而不是用来作为商业性展览的.
【在 w****w 的大作中提到】
: 无论是哪种，本来中国做遗体捐献的人就很少，这样的新闻出来后，对有捐献意愿的人
: 是更大的打击
| h****g
发帖数: 11365 | 20
顶，用尸体作展览是商业活动，就算是捐献的也违背他们的初衷。国内应该立法严格规
定遗体捐献和使用。还有人说美国从印度买尸体，中国不能因为美国吃屎，也认为吃屎
是应该的，把尸体展览已经超越中国道德底线了。
【在 t***h 的大作中提到】
: 遗体捐献是用于医学目的或器官移植的, 而不是用来作为商业性展览的.
| w*******r
发帖数: 7276 | 21 狗咬狗，都不是好东西
DHBTC
【在 g*******1 的大作中提到】
: http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aG_I0hrD
: The bodies and parts currently on display in New York are licensed to
: Premier by the Dalian Hoffen Bio Technique Company Limited ("DHBTC"). DHBTC
: acquired the bodies indirectly from the Chinese Bureau of Police, which
: deemed them unclaimed at death.
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