h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 1 浮萍的同学又有新爆料
劳改营变成了“evacuated university campus”
其实就是 employees' dorm (员工宿舍，essentially apt).
就算不纠结这个劳改营， 她在NPR访谈中， 明明说跟一群人一起被逼在足球场上看两
个老师被处死，还被威胁说：你们要是说错话做错事，这就是将来发生在你们身上的事
情， 还有一个女老师被4骂分尸了。
她的论文，有一部分被她老师拿去投了上海文汇报，人民日报还转载报道了，联合国都
知道了，还震精了2001-2009美国总统，"Mosher successfully lobbied George W.
Bush to cut UN funding for China. His story and the timeline are consistent
with my experience"
UN sanction on china for human rights,她就被关了3天，邓小平出面说：why? this
is not cultural revolution any more. 然后两个礼拜就拿到护照，
而她现在转口就都不承认了，婊子！ "I Think I saw it" " nightmare" "I did not
publish my thesis"
她就是一说谎成性的婊子， 所谓一丘之貉， 就军版一些泼妇撒泼耍奶也要帮着这婊子
姐姐
njydj spoke up again: http://www.forbes.com/sites/jennagoudreau/2013/01/31/bend-not-break-author-ping-fu-responds-to-backlash/?commentId=comment_blogAndPostId/blog/comment/896-9371-11313
njydj 8 hours ago
To add a few more details:
1. China college graduates typically in July, new students start in late Aug
or early Sept. Class 1982 (entering in 1978) can easily confirm this.
2. Time gap between 1982 graduation to Jan 1984 coming to US: I heard this
from my mother (still living) that Ping Fu did not accept the job assignment
upon graduation. Back in early 80s, all graduates were assigned jobs by
their colleges. Essentially she was unemployed by not accepting the job
assignment. She returned home at NUAA and worked in the univ library as a
temp worker. Her father was not happy about the situation, and they were
exploring about going to US for study. It was more difficult to obtain US
college acceptance and US visa than obtaining Chinese passport in 80s. It
might take up a year or so for someone to start exploring US colleges and to
leave China. As I said earlier, my father worked with Fu's father since 50s
, I heard this kind of chat on and off.
It should be easy questions for Ping Fu to answer:
1) newspaper name and date of her thesis published
2) UN sanction on China: what was UN resolution number on this sanction? Can
she share?
3. During Culture Revolution, Ping Fu had to live by herself in dorm: I
think the "dorm" she referring to is the employees' dorm (员工宿舍，
essentially apt). My sister, one yr older than Ping Fu also had to live in
dorm by herself becuase younger ones (not yet in grade school like me) were
group boarding at university kindergarten. Parents basically bought meal
vouchers (meal tickets) for older kids at employees's cafe located at the
employees dorm area or they might have to prepare meal for themselves. NUAA
has 2 sections, teaching and student dorm area (29 Yu Dao Jie，御道街29495;
), and cross street, emplyees' dorm (apt) area (30 Yu Dao Jie, 御道街30号)
where we had lived。I don't know what the "evacuated university campus.."
means...although it was true that parents were sent to "re-education" or "
study group" for a period of time, sometime just cross street at teaching/
student dorm section of NUAA and they were not allowed to return home.
Children were left behind to fan themselves. One-room dorm was norm to most
working at NUAA during that time. Many from China will understand this
situation.
4. Ping Fu's parents (either one or both) were Shanghai native. They were
probably in and out of Shanghai like we did when young during school breaks.
But she grew up in Nanjing and went to the same grade school as my sister
because they were only a year apart.
I cheer and appauld for Ping Fu's success in US. I didn't recognize her
until a recent email exchange between my mom and another over 80 yr old
mutual colleague of both my father and Ping Fu's father mentioned about her.
However, her sucessful US story should not be built on the fabricated story
as the personal experience during China culture revolution.
Jenna, I did watch your interview of Ping Fu and search other available
English media on her story. What I comment is not based on ForbesChina and
not because of inaccurate translation. |
k*******r
发帖数: 16963 | |
h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 3 http://thestory.org/archive/the_story_988_Ping_Fu.mp3/view
starting at 13:25,
starting at 17:15
consistent
【在 h****1 的大作中提到】
: 浮萍的同学又有新爆料
: 劳改营变成了“evacuated university campus”
: 其实就是 employees' dorm (员工宿舍，essentially apt).
: 就算不纠结这个劳改营， 她在NPR访谈中， 明明说跟一群人一起被逼在足球场上看两
: 个老师被处死，还被威胁说：你们要是说错话做错事，这就是将来发生在你们身上的事
: 情， 还有一个女老师被4骂分尸了。
: 她的论文，有一部分被她老师拿去投了上海文汇报，人民日报还转载报道了，联合国都
: 知道了，还震精了2001-2009美国总统，"Mosher successfully lobbied George W.
: Bush to cut UN funding for China. His story and the timeline are consistent
: with my experience"
|
f*******v
发帖数: 528 | |
g*****c
发帖数: 4378 | 5 笑死了
这世界上竟有这种2B
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
|
h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 6 你浮萍姐姐都否定不是劳改营了 你就别show了。
再说劳改营根本不管了，就管4马分尸体， 还有人民日报报道的论文。
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
|
c********l
发帖数: 3254 | |
l******t
发帖数: 12659 | 8 说是“四匹马”，看来傅的确受教育程度低
【在 c********l 的大作中提到】
: 五马分尸实在是有点夸张。那时候杀人没这么讲究。
|
n*******0
发帖数: 2002 | 9 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
|
l****u
发帖数: 4594 | 10 不要张口就来好不好？
1968年5月，黑龙江省革命委员会纪念《五七指示》发表两周年，在庆安县柳河办了个
有500名省直机关人员参加劳动锻炼的农场。[3] 同年10月5日，《人民日报》以《柳河
“五七干校”为机关革命化提供了新经验》为题，用一整版篇幅进行了报道，并在配发
的编者按中传达了毛泽东的“最新最高指示”：“广大干部下放劳动，这对干部是一种
重新学习的极好机会，除老弱病残者外都应该这样做。”此后全国各地竞相仿效。
【在 n*******0 的大作中提到】
: 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
: 果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
|
|
|
l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 11
劳改nmb
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
|
n*****8
发帖数: 19630 | 12 除过李半仙，副品堪比撒谎天下第二了吧。
如果以后爆料出这是师徒二人，我也不会感到意外的。
:) |
a***e
发帖数: 27968 | 13 这个老太太太急了，这些故事应该留给她女儿去写
现在经过文革的人还没死绝呢
consistent
【在 h****1 的大作中提到】
: 浮萍的同学又有新爆料
: 劳改营变成了“evacuated university campus”
: 其实就是 employees' dorm (员工宿舍，essentially apt).
: 就算不纠结这个劳改营， 她在NPR访谈中， 明明说跟一群人一起被逼在足球场上看两
: 个老师被处死，还被威胁说：你们要是说错话做错事，这就是将来发生在你们身上的事
: 情， 还有一个女老师被4骂分尸了。
: 她的论文，有一部分被她老师拿去投了上海文汇报，人民日报还转载报道了，联合国都
: 知道了，还震精了2001-2009美国总统，"Mosher successfully lobbied George W.
: Bush to cut UN funding for China. His story and the timeline are consistent
: with my experience"
|
s**********r
发帖数: 339 | 14 这次浮萍编故事欺骗了奥巴马团队，是由FBI来调查还是由CIA来调查这件事？
consistent
【在 h****1 的大作中提到】
: 浮萍的同学又有新爆料
: 劳改营变成了“evacuated university campus”
: 其实就是 employees' dorm (员工宿舍，essentially apt).
: 就算不纠结这个劳改营， 她在NPR访谈中， 明明说跟一群人一起被逼在足球场上看两
: 个老师被处死，还被威胁说：你们要是说错话做错事，这就是将来发生在你们身上的事
: 情， 还有一个女老师被4骂分尸了。
: 她的论文，有一部分被她老师拿去投了上海文汇报，人民日报还转载报道了，联合国都
: 知道了，还震精了2001-2009美国总统，"Mosher successfully lobbied George W.
: Bush to cut UN funding for China. His story and the timeline are consistent
: with my experience"
|
a******e
发帖数: 36306 | 15 奥巴马自己都是个骗子。。。。不过是50步和100步的，差别，才不会管
【在 s**********r 的大作中提到】
: 这次浮萍编故事欺骗了奥巴马团队，是由FBI来调查还是由CIA来调查这件事？
:
: consistent
|
U***5
发帖数: 2796 | 16 调查还是罩屁股，很难说。
【在 s**********r 的大作中提到】
: 这次浮萍编故事欺骗了奥巴马团队，是由FBI来调查还是由CIA来调查这件事？
:
: consistent
|
h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 17 会不会报复网上揭慌的WSN们
【在 U***5 的大作中提到】
: 调查还是罩屁股，很难说。
|
h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 18 看他最新的博文，貌似他都知道了
【在 k*******r 的大作中提到】
: 该转给肘子，肘子这次很带劲。
|
t****t
发帖数: 820 | 19 FBI会管这屁事?
【在 s**********r 的大作中提到】
: 这次浮萍编故事欺骗了奥巴马团队，是由FBI来调查还是由CIA来调查这件事？
:
: consistent
|
B********r
发帖数: 2787 | 20 西方讲究死马分尸，见于英国王室处置王室的叛徒
比如勇敢的心里面的苏格兰英雄就是被四马分尸的
五马分尸是中国节目，貌似商鞅就是这样被搞定的。
这个浮萍知道美国人的知识水平，专门找他们听的懂的说
要是说商鞅，估计没几个美国人能知道怎么回事
【在 l******t 的大作中提到】
: 说是“四匹马”，看来傅的确受教育程度低
|
|
|
U***5
发帖数: 2796 | 21 敢报复了你你就中头彩了。
有的是人请你做讲演。
【在 h****1 的大作中提到】
: 会不会报复网上揭慌的WSN们
|
d**s
发帖数: 1255 | |
p******r
发帖数: 6213 | 23 57干校是响应老毛的57指示建立起来的劳动干校，时间是文革中，右派除非没被开除公
职并保留有干部身份，否则没资格去57干校。
【在 n*******0 的大作中提到】
: 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
: 果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
|
L*********n
发帖数: 1225 | 24 18:01 来自腾讯微博 阅读(8.3万) 全部转播和评论(167) 转播|评论|
方舟子: 如我所料，傅苹果然是靠申请政治避难获得的绿卡。这就可以肯定她那套在中
国的悲惨经历是当天为申请政治避难编出来的。《星岛日报》去年2月的报道：【杰魔
公司华裔董事长傅苹出生在中国大陆，成长于文革时期，1983年来美国后申请了难民庇
护得到身分，之后创立了自己的公司。】http://url.cn/A9cvaS
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方舟子: 傅苹10天前接受谷歌视频采访时，亲口说自己文革10年都生活在古拉格（即劳
改营），现在则说劳改营是记者乱说。在该视频采访中她还说她因为论文被抓，在邓小
平（！）的过问下才被释放，两周后公安给了她护照要求她离开中国。现在她说为办护
照她拖了一年多才离开中国。http://url.cn/DGszZg
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方舟子: 傅苹“自传”找职业枪手Meimei Fox做共同作者，在amazon的5星评论中，有
一个是Meimei Fox的哥哥Derek Fox写的，另一个是Derek妻子Erica Brindley写的，
Brindley以汉学家身份保证该书的真实性，正与给1星的华人激辩。他们是夏威夷众议
院前少数派（共和党）领袖Galen Fox子女，Galen因性犯罪被判刑、辞职
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方舟子: 傅苹的大学同学说：“她父母是南航教授，考进江苏师范78级1班，条件十分
优越，为了防止自己的食品被人吃，放了一轻松（按：原文如此），之后和一个干部子
弟（团职）同学同居，晚不归宿，被班主任经常批...
发信人: does (does), 信区: Military
标 题: Re: 浮萍的同学又有新爆料
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sun Feb 3 01:20:08 2013, 美东)
有没有查清楚副品的绿卡来历 |
u**h
发帖数: 509 | 25 奥巴马可以送她四个黑人猛男， 比四马分尸来劲。
【在 a******e 的大作中提到】
: 奥巴马自己都是个骗子。。。。不过是50步和100步的，差别，才不会管
|
R******n
发帖数: 529 | |
h**n
发帖数: 1232 | |
n***c
发帖数: 7400 | 28 这女的为了上位，贱到了出卖祖宗的地步了，还能更无耻点吗？哎，无语了 |
D**d
发帖数: 1186 | 29 还好没把家人给分了。再追向一下，估计是水牛或黄牛。LOL。
【在 R******n 的大作中提到】
: 四马分尸....
: 那年代上哪儿去找四匹活马啊
|
r***e
发帖数: 2000 | 30 57干校当然是劳改营（labour camp or Gulag）。
今天有一篇替习总抬轿子的回忆文章，讲到文革后期习总千里迢迢
去干校看妈妈，带队干部故意让他妈妈一个人中午在田里看秧苗，
不让他们母子讲上话。 |
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r********9
发帖数: 18394 | |
j******4
发帖数: 2944 | 32
------------------------------------------------
放你M的P！
我小时候跟爸爸去过他的57干校 就是从事农业劳动的干部学校
干部身份保留 人们都很快乐 我爸爸还经常拎了支枪出去打猎
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
|
O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 33 57干校里的人，工资照发。 一般就是劳动，几个月或几年就回到原单位。户口单位不
变。
被打成右派的人，户口转回原籍，工作是最低等的。或者没有工作。
【在 n*******0 的大作中提到】
: 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
: 果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
|
O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 34 57干校里的人，工资照发，户口还是在原单位。
【在 r***e 的大作中提到】
: 57干校当然是劳改营（labour camp or Gulag）。
: 今天有一篇替习总抬轿子的回忆文章，讲到文革后期习总千里迢迢
: 去干校看妈妈，带队干部故意让他妈妈一个人中午在田里看秧苗，
: 不让他们母子讲上话。
|
O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 35 如果你不知道57干校的名字是怎样来的，请google“57指示”
【在 n*******0 的大作中提到】
: 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
: 果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
|
z*******i
发帖数: 673 | 36 五七干校虽然是“劳改营”，但也要讲级别的。那些人都是拿着工资的“劳改犯”，劳
动结束后都按级别分配了工作。你要问农民，他们肯定都愿意去五七干校被“劳改”，
可惜他们都不够级别。
五七干校的所谓住牛棚也是个噱头，其实就是把牛棚或猪棚改造成宿舍，而不是跟猪牛
住在一起。国营农场的牛棚猪棚都是按标准修建的，不是农民那样简陋的猪圈牛圈。国
营农场也还是国营单位，职工都是拿工资的。生活条件不如大城市好，却是有国家统一
标准的。本人跟着母亲去五七干校生活了三年，是人生中最快乐的三年。每天照常上学
，回到家却可以漫山遍野地玩，比在城市里有趣多了。
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
|
t**********s
发帖数: 2968 | 37 此女发这些谎言稿子纯粹是想到中国骗钱的。孰料与她一辈和比她年纪大的中国人还有
好几亿活着，还有记忆。一读她的“稿子”，她的马脚就穿帮了。只能说是这浮萍
很蠢。本人怀疑她心智有问题了。 |
z*******i
发帖数: 673 | 38 看来你也是了解五七干校的人。五七干校好玩极了，那里的职工人数不如来劳动的干部
和知识分子多，“被劳改”的人反而成了主人。而且因为远离了城市，走资派文革初期
被揪斗的厄运才结束了，他们反而是在干校过上了相对正常的生活。我妈在那里劳动了
三年，神经衰弱和胃病都自动养好了。而且在农场吃得比城市好，因为农场自己生产粮
食和蔬菜，养猪养牛养鸡，又不需要定量向国家缴纳，可以敞开吃呀。后来回到城里，
反而因物资短缺吃不饱。
我就是在农场遇到了一群大学毕业生，受他们影响很大，后来回到城里才会好好读书，
考大学才很顺利。
【在 j******4 的大作中提到】
:
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: 放你M的P！
: 我小时候跟爸爸去过他的57干校 就是从事农业劳动的干部学校
: 干部身份保留 人们都很快乐 我爸爸还经常拎了支枪出去打猎
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l****o
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h***f
发帖数: 4541 | 40 李讷也进过57干校，难道...
毛主席江青又多了一条罪名：虐待子女
【在 r***e 的大作中提到】
: 57干校当然是劳改营（labour camp or Gulag）。
: 今天有一篇替习总抬轿子的回忆文章，讲到文革后期习总千里迢迢
: 去干校看妈妈，带队干部故意让他妈妈一个人中午在田里看秧苗，
: 不让他们母子讲上话。
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v*********u
发帖数: 10464 | 41 每个红人都有恶心的过去，既然不干净就不要红，压力多大 |
O*******d
发帖数: 20343 | 42 把傅苹的回答贴在这里留证。 估计她等这个风头过了就会删掉她的回答。
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ping-fu/clarifying-the-facts-in-b
An article about my book, Bend, Not Break, which appeared in Forbes and was
translated into Chinese for ForbesChina.com (this link is to a Google
English translation), contained several inaccuracies in wording. The posts
have since been corrected. Meanwhile, Chinese blogger Fang Zhouzi posted a
story in which he questioned my credibility, and John Kennedy reacted to
that blog in the South China Morning Post. Though factually correct based on
the original version of the Forbes article, both Fang and Kennedy made
comments based on inaccurate information, rather than on material actually
printed in the book. I would like to respond to their comments, as well as
the comments of other critics who have since posted to various websites
attacking the authenticity of my story.
Why did you say you were in a labor camp during the Cultural Revolution?
I did not say or write that I was in a labor camp; I stated that I lived for
10 years in a university dormitory on the NUAA campus. Chinese children don
't get put in labor camps. I also did not say I was a factory worker. I said
Mao wanted us to study and learn from farmers, soldiers and workers.
If you were deprived of an education for those 10 years of the Cultural
Revolution, and less than 5 percent of applicants were accepted when
universities reopened, how did you get in? Were you a prodigy?
After 1972, school resumed (p. 128). We had few formal classes at my school
at the edge of Nanjing in an industrial area. I studied nonstop (pp. 229-231
) and was known by my family as "the girl who never turns off her lights." (
p. 231)
Suzhou University did not reopen until 1982. How could you go there in 1977?
A: This is a typo in the book (p. 232). I took the college entrance exams in
1977 and 1978, and was admitted in 1978. When I entered, I believe it was
called Jiangsu Teachers College or Jiangsu Teachers University. Its name
changed to Suzhou University before I left; it was the same university in
the same location.
In a 2010 NPR interview, you say you saw Red Guards execute one teacher by
tying each limb to a separate horse and dismembering her by having each
horse run simultaneously in a separate outward direction. During the
Cultural Revolution, dismemberment using four horses was unheard of and
would have been quite difficult. This was a legend from several hundred
years ago.
To this day, in my mind, I think I saw it. That is my emotional memory of it
. After reading Fang's post, I think in this particular case that his
analysis is more rational and accurate than my memory. Those first weeks
after having been separated from both my birth parents and my adoptive
parents were so traumatic, and I was only eight years old. There is a famous
phrase in China for this killing; I had many nightmares about it.
You claim you were brutally gang-raped. Gang rape doesn't happen in China.
A: Rape is a very private matter and this definitely happened. I know this
was not a hallucination. I have scars. My body was broken.
In the Forbes piece, you say you wrote your undergrad thesis at Suzhou
University on the practice of female infanticide in rural China. Your
research received nationwide press coverage at the time, and you were
sentenced to exile as a result.
NOTE: The Forbes editorial mistake noting that I "published my thesis" on
female infanticide in rural China has been corrected.
I said I was asked to leave quietly. I did not say my research was published
; it was never published. I was told that the reason I was arrested was
because of my research (book p. 257).
In the 2005 Inc. Magazine article, you explained that your findings on
female infanticide were later covered by Shanghai's Wen Hui Bao newspaper
and later then by People's Daily, resulting in condemnation from around the
world, sanctions imposed by the UN, and you getting tossed into prison.
People's Daily archives for the period when your research would've been
published have nothing regarding female infanticide in rural China.
I remember reading an editorial in a newspaper in 1982 that called for
gender equality. It was not a news article and not written by me, and I didn
't know it had anything to do with my research (pp. 253-255). When writing
the book, I did not name the paper, since I wasn't certain. However, I think
that is where I read the editorial because it was the most popular and
official newspaper. People who have not read my book made assumptions that I
submitted the research to the newspaper, or I published the thesis, but
that was not how I described it in the book.
Why does nobody else in China know that the UN placed sanctions on China in
1981? And how do you know that?
A: I heard about the sanctions in China while awaiting my passport. I was
told that the UN was unhappy about this issue. A quick web search shows that
the American-based journalist Steven W. Mosher wrote about female
infanticide in China in 1981. His book, called Broken Earth, was published
in 1984 -- the same year I was waiting for my passport. Knowing this, it
makes sense that I was asked to leave quietly. Anything else would have
drawn more attention to the issue. According to the Los Angeles Times,
Mosher successfully lobbied George W. Bush to cut UN funding for China. His
story and the timeline are consistent with my experience.
You say you were walking on campus when a black bag was suddenly thrown over
your head and you were stuffed into a car before being arrested?
Yes, this is how it happened. I never returned to classes and I did not
graduate. My classmates were told that I had a mental breakdown. After my
release, I did what I was told and laid low at home (book, p. 255, pp. 258-
259). I originally had been planning to go to graduate school to study
comparative literature in Nanjing, but that could not happen due to the
circumstances.
You said you were held three days and narrowly avoided being sentenced to
reform through labor when authorities decided instead to send you into exile.
A: I was asked to leave quietly and never come back again (book p. 258).
Why would you, an unknown, be deported/expelled to study in the U.S., a
treatment reserved for very prominent dissidents?
As I describe in the book (pp. 257-261), I was told that I had to leave
China, but not given a specific destination. I got a student visa, which was
secured through a family friend at the University of New Mexico. On pages
258-259, I detail my application process to live abroad and how I ended up
in America.
Chinese international students had many ways of being able to stay in the
United States. One of those was to fabricate bizarre tales of having faced
persecution in China and apply for political asylum. It didn't matter how
fantastic you made your experiences, Americans would still believe them to
be true.
I didn't apply for political asylum; I was explicitly told not to attract
attention.
According to Inc., you arrived at Suzhou University wanting to study
engineering or business, but the Party assigned you to study English.
When the acceptance letter came in the fall of 1978 (this is a typo in the
book, where it reads 1977 on p 232), it said that I had been assigned to
study literature at Suzhou University. Inc.magazine made an editorial error
on my major in China; I majored in Chinese literature, not in English
literature. (p. 99)
Forbes said you arrived in the United States knowing only three words of
English, yet there are different sets of those first three words: Inc.:
Please, thank you, help; Bend, Not Break: Thank you, hello, help; NPR: Thank
you, help, excuse me.
In college, English language classes were offered, but not required. I did
not study English ever. I had "level zero" English, just like most Americans
know a few words of Spanish or French. I tried to learn more English when I
knew I was going to the U.S., but when I arrived, I only remembered a few.
In the Fast Company story image, you and other kids are wearing Red Guard
armbands under the Red Guard flag, yet you claim you were not a Red Guard.
If you zoom into that picture, you only need to look closely to see I have
no red band on my arm. The image was taken in front of a Red Guard flag at
the school that I attended in the late 70s. I wrote in the book that the
situation got better after 1972. Still, I was never a Red Guard.
One of my classmates also responded to Fang's article on his blog. What he
says is consistent with what I wrote in the book, so he must be a classmate.
He made comments based on Fang, assuming that what Fang said was in the
book, however it was not. I would like to respond.
You weren't in a labor camp.
A: True, I did not say I was in a labor camp in the book, or ever.
You did not go to college in 1977.
True, I went in 1978; that is a typo in the book.
How can the labor camp be 10 years long for you?
He asked this question based on Mr. Fang Zhouzi's blog, which was an
incorrect choice of words. I never said that I was at a labor camp. Forbes
corrected this error.
You did not publish your research and it was never published.
Correct; I did not publish my research and it was never published. I left
school; my mother and I went to the school and declared I had a mental
breakdown so I would not be sent to remote China (page 258). You just didn't
know the true reason I left.
I want to say that I respect Mr. Fang Zhouzi, Forbes, and the classmate (
sorry, I do not know the name since he used a pen name). Democracy means
everyone is entitled to freedom of expression. Criticism is not a form of
defamation; it is a form of speaking or seeking truth. I welcome
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z*******i
发帖数: 673 | 43 搞半天这个浮萍只坚持“被轮奸”一条了，可是被轮奸也得有证据才行，找不到罪犯，
总可以去医院体检，医生可以发现问题，开出证明。可是她全凭口说，啥证据都没有。
所以，还是一个谎言。
was
on
【在 O*******d 的大作中提到】
: 把傅苹的回答贴在这里留证。 估计她等这个风头过了就会删掉她的回答。
: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ping-fu/clarifying-the-facts-in-b
: An article about my book, Bend, Not Break, which appeared in Forbes and was
: translated into Chinese for ForbesChina.com (this link is to a Google
: English translation), contained several inaccuracies in wording. The posts
: have since been corrected. Meanwhile, Chinese blogger Fang Zhouzi posted a
: story in which he questioned my credibility, and John Kennedy reacted to
: that blog in the South China Morning Post. Though factually correct based on
: the original version of the Forbes article, both Fang and Kennedy made
: comments based on inaccurate information, rather than on material actually
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z*******i
发帖数: 673 | 44 会不会过几天，浮萍又说，被轮奸只是儿时的一个噩梦，不小心当成真的了？
【在 z*******i 的大作中提到】
: 搞半天这个浮萍只坚持“被轮奸”一条了，可是被轮奸也得有证据才行，找不到罪犯，
: 总可以去医院体检，医生可以发现问题，开出证明。可是她全凭口说，啥证据都没有。
: 所以，还是一个谎言。
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n*****8
发帖数: 19630 | 45 副大妈知道不知道是哪些人干的。这在当年可是被枪毙的罪行。副大妈为何不举报？
【在 z*******i 的大作中提到】
: 搞半天这个浮萍只坚持“被轮奸”一条了，可是被轮奸也得有证据才行，找不到罪犯，
: 总可以去医院体检，医生可以发现问题，开出证明。可是她全凭口说，啥证据都没有。
: 所以，还是一个谎言。
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h****1
发帖数: 1242 | 46 这条只有由她说了，去医院检查，太狠了。
【在 z*******i 的大作中提到】
: 搞半天这个浮萍只坚持“被轮奸”一条了，可是被轮奸也得有证据才行，找不到罪犯，
: 总可以去医院体检，医生可以发现问题，开出证明。可是她全凭口说，啥证据都没有。
: 所以，还是一个谎言。
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i******s
发帖数: 8734 | 47 NMLB的劳改营。
老子小时候就在邢台的57干校待过
【在 f*******v 的大作中提到】
: 57干校也是劳改营 五毛们不懂历史就不要搞笑了
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i******s
发帖数: 8734 | 48 你确定？
【在 n*******0 的大作中提到】
: 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
: 果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
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e***y
发帖数: 1152 | 49 你真搞，哈哈。
五七指示永放光芒，yeah！
【在 n*******0 的大作中提到】
: 57干校之所以是57干校，是因为里面关了57年被打成右派的人。文革是66年发动的。如
: 果作者在文革期间被关在57干校里，那就是相当搞笑的事情了。
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d*******p
发帖数: 1559 | 50 这得看她的历年体检材料了，当年的体检材料是不是存入档案的？特别是高中毕业与大
学入学体检，不知道妇科查不查处女膜？如果写明处女膜完整，那么这个轮奸的故事就
是假的；如果写明有陈旧性损伤，那么这个轮奸的事情就有可能是真的。
【在 h****1 的大作中提到】
: 这条只有由她说了，去医院检查，太狠了。
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z*******i
发帖数: 673 | 52 一个10岁的小女孩被轮奸，阴道的损伤一定会非常明显。她的父母都是高级知识分子，
一定会去医院治疗检查，当时的病历和医生可以作证。如果没病历或证人，就是假的。
大学入学体检不会查处女膜，只有婚检会，但她没在国内结婚，所以不会有婚检报告。
无论如何，说被轮奸必须得有证据，因为太重大了。
【在 d*******p 的大作中提到】
: 这得看她的历年体检材料了，当年的体检材料是不是存入档案的？特别是高中毕业与大
: 学入学体检，不知道妇科查不查处女膜？如果写明处女膜完整，那么这个轮奸的故事就
: 是假的；如果写明有陈旧性损伤，那么这个轮奸的事情就有可能是真的。
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n*****3
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p********1
发帖数: 2785 | 54 看看出版商的回复：
http://m.guardiannews.com/world/2013/feb/04/ping-fu-book-chines
Adrian Zackheim, publisher of Portfolio books, Penguin's business imprint,
said he stood by Bend Not Break, adding that he had "absolute confidence" in
Fu and her memoir. "I have no doubts that the book is substantially correct
and that attempts to pick apart elements of it are political attacks."
Zackheim said Portfolio had no plans to look into the veracity of the book.
"This is a memoir of a woman's life, it's not a work of journalism. Are
there errors in the book? I can't say, but if there are they are errors of
memory." |
c*****i
发帖数: 11737 | 55 什么叫欺骗阿， 奥巴马这帮人是选择性的相信
【在 s**********r 的大作中提到】
: 这次浮萍编故事欺骗了奥巴马团队，是由FBI来调查还是由CIA来调查这件事？
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: consistent
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