d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 1 http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/feb/13/ping-fu-controversy
采访了很多人，都是教授。
Yinghong Cheng, now a professor of history at Delaware state university,
studied in the same time and in the same building at Suzhou as Fu, and had
his own literary group. He told the Guardian: "I am completely unaware of
that group [Red Maple] and publication, and if it had been that popular I
would have known about it." |
d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 2 最后一段：
Adrian Zackheim, publisher of Penguin's business imprint Portfolio, said: "
Ping Fu wrote in the Author's Note at the front of her book: 'I have tried
my best to remember and describe the events and people in my life. Mostly, I
have used real names, although some names have been altered to protect
privacy. Many details happened more than forty years ago and I've tried as
much as possible to verify the facts.'
"Sometimes, despite everyone's best efforts, minor mistakes appear in
nonfiction books. Whenever they are brought to an author's attention they
are corrected in future printings. Ping has already acknowledged several of
these, and if any additional corrections are required, of course those will
be made as well."
看来《Bend, not break》要出第二版了。 |
s*******l
发帖数: 597 | 3 Interesting! Looks to me the British and American media have quite different
attitudes on this case. |
d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 4 这个算是柔性忍栽了吧？
基本上讨论是：
xx真的发生过么？ 答： 我听说是这样的。。
xx真的发生过么？ 答： 我记得是这样的。。
xx真的发生过么？ 答： 我父母这样告诉我的。。
打假到这个份上，基本上就差不多了。
接下来，推脱是记忆错误、口误、笔误，然后出个更正版。完事。 |
d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 5 我觉得这篇文章是个高档的软文。。。。要是按照此文，Fu Ping软着陆了。
different
【在 s*******l 的大作中提到】
: Interesting! Looks to me the British and American media have quite different
: attitudes on this case.
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s*******l
发帖数: 597 | 6 卫报点出一个我以前还不知道到的，fu说自己grandfather and granduncle是孙中山收
养的，是么? |
d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 7 Fu 已经说了，她是听父母说的。。。。。并且，孙对他比较照顾，但是“严格意义上
不算收养”。。 |
F****8
发帖数: 289 | 8 她怎么还再说这种傻B的话？写在历史书上？别人要问，哪些历史书（还不是一本，
history books）？又要编别的慌来圆这个慌。这个女人，要不是疯子，就TM一个傻子。
Fu told the Guardian: "That was what I was told by my family before I left
China. I believe this is true. My mother says it's in history books." |
d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 9 Note： “My mother says it's in the history books”....
你要怪，也只能怪她妈啊。 |
c****t
发帖数: 5452 | 10 尼玛，这个要改版的话，是不是正本书删得只能剩下几页纸了？ |
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c****t
发帖数: 5452 | 11 这篇文章其实很有料，实名专家出来举证了，看fu大妈告不告了 |
d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 12 Fu大妈也接受采访了。告个屁啊。
其实文章本身没有感情色彩，相信fu的美国人，会细继续相信那是“记忆错误”。 |
F****8
发帖数: 289 | 13 悉尼大学的专门研究孙中山历史的教授John Wong，说没这回事（据他所知）。
Prof John Wong of the University of Sydney, an expert on Sun's life, said he
had no knowledge of such wards.
【在 c****t 的大作中提到】
: 这篇文章其实很有料，实名专家出来举证了，看fu大妈告不告了
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v****e
发帖数: 10715 | |
x***s
发帖数: 851 | 15 这才是媒体人该做的，做调查，而不是自己随便说。 |
c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 16 这种都是避重就轻。扣逼查月经也是她妈告诉他的？邓小平关注她的案子也是她妈告诉
她的？她10岁被红小兵强奸也是她妈告诉他的？
子。
【在 F****8 的大作中提到】
: 她怎么还再说这种傻B的话？写在历史书上？别人要问，哪些历史书（还不是一本，
: history books）？又要编别的慌来圆这个慌。这个女人，要不是疯子，就TM一个傻子。
: Fu told the Guardian: "That was what I was told by my family before I left
: China. I believe this is true. My mother says it's in history books."
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d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 17 被强奸这事，很难challenge。无法验证。
其他的lie容易验证。
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 这种都是避重就轻。扣逼查月经也是她妈告诉他的？邓小平关注她的案子也是她妈告诉
: 她的？她10岁被红小兵强奸也是她妈告诉他的？
:
: 子。
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H*********S
发帖数: 22772 | 18 还算不错的评论：
The usual self-aggrandisment to help sell a book - but it ends up blackening
China. God knows, bad things happened, but most people were not at the
heart of events. Ping Fu seems to be a well connected middle class woman
made good who wishes the world to believe she had a harsh upbringing. Why?
Because that's how we think China was for everybody. |
x***s
发帖数: 851 | |
c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 20 历史书上说啥就敢安到她自己头上？她咋不说红小兵让她坐木马呢？咋不说红小兵把她
浸猪笼呢？她咋不说红小兵把她爸阉了呢？
【在 d*******u 的大作中提到】
: Note： “My mother says it's in the history books”....
: 你要怪，也只能怪她妈啊。
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d*******u
发帖数: 940 | 21 fuping的家人、亲戚还在吧？
完全可以去采访一下嘛。 |
F****8
发帖数: 289 | 22 谁有Amazon帐号，可以把卫报这篇采访拷到评论上。或仅给个链接也行。
【在 d*******u 的大作中提到】
: http://www.guardian.co.uk/books/2013/feb/13/ping-fu-controversy
: 采访了很多人，都是教授。
: Yinghong Cheng, now a professor of history at Delaware state university,
: studied in the same time and in the same building at Suzhou as Fu, and had
: his own literary group. He told the Guardian: "I am completely unaware of
: that group [Red Maple] and publication, and if it had been that popular I
: would have known about it."
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c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 23 没用，现在已经没人看那些评论了
【在 F****8 的大作中提到】
: 谁有Amazon帐号，可以把卫报这篇采访拷到评论上。或仅给个链接也行。
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p********1
发帖数: 2785 | 24 你咋知道没人看？
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 没用，现在已经没人看那些评论了
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c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 25 太多了，看不过来，特别是新帖的。
【在 p********1 的大作中提到】
: 你咋知道没人看？
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p********1
发帖数: 2785 | 26 可以用邮件跟踪你感兴趣的，也可以看讨论区，有人把精华贴都收集起来了。
【在 c******k 的大作中提到】
: 太多了，看不过来，特别是新帖的。
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c******k
发帖数: 8998 | 27 估计只有记者才有功夫去看那么多精华贴，一般人就看排名前2个帖子就足够了解了
【在 p********1 的大作中提到】
: 可以用邮件跟踪你感兴趣的，也可以看讨论区，有人把精华贴都收集起来了。
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