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《科学》关注天河二号:美国超算被官僚制度所累2013年06月20日 来源:中国科学报
中国日前重回世界超级计算机500强排名榜首。美国《科学》杂志对这一结果进行了
分析,并指出,天河二号标志着中国超级计算机第二次成为世界冠军。
6月17日发布的最新版本半年度排名显示,中国国防科技大学研制的天河二号计算机的
速度为每秒33.86千万亿次浮点运算,是上一届世界冠军——由美国和德国的超级计算
机研究团队研制的“泰坦”超级计算机速度的将近2倍。
《科学》杂志报道称,2010年11月,天河一号在世界超级计算机500强中位居第一,数
月后被日本的名为“京”的超级计算机挤下了冠军宝座。美国田纳西大学的计算机科学
家JackDongarra认为,中国的第二次登顶证明其对高性能计算技术进行着持续的支持和
资助。
据《科学》杂志介绍,美国有252个系统位列世界超级计算机500强,仍然是整个领域中
的领袖。中国拥有66个系统,位于第二。前6名中还包括日本、英国、法国和德国,分
别有30个、29个、23个和19个系统位列500强。
不过,Dongarra和其他科学家认为,美国的领导地位可能会下滑。天河二号的研制使用
了超过300万个Intel计算“核心”,主要用于机器的大脑。上个月参观过天河二号现场
的Dogarra称,大多数其余组件的设计和建造都是在中国完成的。“互连设备、操作系
统、前端处理器和软件主要都是中国的。”Dongarra说道。
中国也在努力研发自己的高端处理器芯片。Dongarra表示,它们若被用于高端机的大脑
,将会扭转乾坤。《科学》杂志认为,这传递出的信号是,中国不再需要依赖别国的技
术支持,且中国将会和芯片制造商Intel及AMD竞争商业芯片市场。一位不具名的超级计
算机技术观察者相信,中国有方法弥补在处理器芯片技术方面的差距。
《科学》杂志指出,中国超级计算机飞速发展的同时,美国超级计算机项目的发展路线
却变得很模糊。美国能源部(DOE)正在考虑研制百亿亿次级的超级计算机——运算速
度为天河二号30倍的下一代机器。不过,该计划似乎被官僚制度所牵制。根据来自于国
会山的消息,由于奥巴马政府担心其预计为30亿美元的价格标签,该计划被DOE和管理
及预算办公室推来推去,难以施行。
众议院和参议院中的民主党人和共和党人似乎都很支持该百亿亿次级的项目。众议院和
参议院的成员反复要求DOE官员提供该项目的概要内容,以使立法者开始筹划资助事宜
。然而DOE已经错过了两个截止日期。“我们感到很困惑。”一位参议院职员对政府明
显缺乏兴趣的事实表达了态度。
DOE正在加紧研制一个三位一体的、速度为每秒30千万亿次浮点运算的超级计算机,并
于2015年底投入运行。然而,根据中国的5年计划,届时将会建立两台100千万亿次浮点
运算的机器。《科学》杂志推测,中国并未指明是否会在2016年开始的下一个5年计划
中筹划研制百亿亿次级的机器,但有迹象表明是这样的。
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原文地址:http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-supercomputer-named-worlds-fastest-005600823.html#
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论坛地址:http://www.ltaaa.com/bbs/thread-209786-1-1.htmlBEIJING (AP) — A Chineseuniversity has built the world's fastest supercomputer, almostdoubling the speed of the U.S.machine that previously claimed the top spot and underlining China'srise as a science and technology powerhouse. The semiannual TOP500 listing of theworld's fastest supercomputers released Monday says the Tianhe-2developed by the National University of Defense Technology in centralChina's Changsha city is capable of sustainedcomputing of 33.86 petaflops per second. That's the equivalent of 33,860trillion calculations per second.
The Tianhe-2, which means Milky Way-2,knocks the U.S. Energy Department's
Titan machine off the No. 1 spot. Itachieved 17.59 petaflops per second.
Supercomputers are used for complexwork such as modeling weather systems,
simulating nuclear explosions anddesigning jetliners.
It's the second time a Chinesecomputer has been named the world's fastest.
In November 2010, theTianhe-2's predecessor, Tianhe-1A, had that honor
before Japan's K computer overtook it a few monthslater on the TOP500 list,
a ranking curated by three computer scientists atuniversities in the U.S.
andGermany.
The Tianhe-2 shows how China is leveraging rapid economic growth andsharp
increases in research spending to join the United States, Europe and Japan
in the global technologyelite.
"Most of the features of thesystem were developed in China,and they are only
using Intel for the main compute part," TOP500 editorJack Dongarra, who
toured the Tianhe-2 facility in May, said in a news release."That is, the
interconnect, operating system, front-end processors andsoftware are mainly
Chinese."
美联社(北京)-一所中国大学建成了世界上最快的超级计算机,速度几乎是之前排名
第一的美国计算机的二倍,凸显了中国正在崛起为一个科技超级大国。
半年一次的世界最快超级计算机500强名单在本周一发布,华中长沙的中国国防科技大
学研制的天河二号支持每秒33.86千兆次浮点运算。这相当于每秒33.86千万亿次运算。
天河二号的意思是银河2,它将美国能源局的“泰坦”计算机从第一宝座上拉了下来,
“泰坦”达到每秒17,59千兆次浮点运算。
超级计算机用于诸如天气系统建模,模拟核爆炸和喷气客机设计等复杂工作。
这是中国计算机第二次成为世界最快。2010年11月,天河二号的前身天河一号A曾享有
这一殊荣,数月后被日本的计算机“京”超越。500强名单由美国和德国大学的三位计
算机科学家策划评出。
天河二号表明了中国怎样在快速发展经济与增加科研投入并成为美欧日等全球科技精英
的一员之间进行平衡。
“该系统的主要部分都是由中国研发的,只是在主计算部分使用了英特尔芯片,”计算
机500强的编辑Jack Dongarra在一个新闻发布会上透露,他曾在五月份参观了天河二号
。“该机的互连设备,操作系统,前端处理器和软件都是中国研制的。”
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182users liked this comment
computer had a prob just loading thisfing page
我的电脑光是载入这个页面都称问题。
87users liked this comment
Of course the Chinese need a fastercomputer. How else are they going to
calculate the interest we owe them?
中国人当然需要更快的电脑,要不然怎么计算我们欠他们的利息呢?
161users liked this comment
Why can't the US do this anymore? Answer: Noemphasis on science and
engineering. I went to a graduation at OSU about amonth ago and most of the
Phds. in science/engineering/math were not Americanstudents.
为什么美国再也做不出来了?答案是:不重视科学和工程学。一个月前我参加了俄勒冈
大学的毕业典礼,大多数科学/工程学/数学博士都不是美国学生。
268users liked this commentPlease
No surprise. Chinaand Indiahave made education and investment in science and
engineering a nationalpriority. Meanwhile we have political leaders in this
country who disparagescientists and think government investment in leading
edge research anddevelopment is a waste of money.
毫不吃惊。中国和印度把科学和工程学教育作为国家投资的优先考虑。而我们国内藐视
科学家的政客们却认为在前沿科研上投资是浪费钱。
131users liked this commentPlease
"Supercomputers are used for complexwork such as modeling weather systems,
simulating nuclear explosions anddesigning jetliners." - and don't forget
cyberspying,
“超级计算机用于诸如天气系统建模,模拟核爆炸和喷气客机设计等复杂工作。”-别
忘了网络间谍。
70users liked this
bet it plays a mean game of Quake Arena
我敢打赌玩《雷神之锤》肯定爽爆了。
164users liked this commentPlease
Most people in this country can't believechina can leapfrog Americain
science and technology. Its very short sighted to think that way.
Chinesehave been working hard and staying low profile while western world
are busyconsuming, playing, complaining and lecturing everyone else. Start
to payattention, folks, there is nothing that says America will be always
number onein technology anywhere, is there?
这个国家的很多人不相信中国会在科技上超越美国。真是鼠目寸光自以为是。中国人一
直在默默耕耘,而西方世界却忙着消费,娱乐,抱怨和对他人说教。打起精神来吧,筒
子们,从来没人打包票说美国一直会是科技领域的天下第一,不是吗?
148users liked this commentPlease
all we do is blindly blame Chinafor all our woes. they'll overtake us while
we whine and cry.
我们所做的全部就是盲目指责中国造成了我们全部的灾难,他们会在我们牢骚和哭泣的
时候超过我们。
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We really need to be taking Chinaseriously... before we are left in the dust.
我们该严肃点看待中国了……在我们被甩开以前。
52users liked this comment
China needs it to keep track of the amount of Chinese investmentsworldwide,
our trade deficit and gargantuan (and still growing) loan from China.
中国需要它来追踪在全世界的投资,需要追踪我们的贸易赤字和庞大的仍在一直增长的
中国借款。
138users liked this comment
When I was young some 40 years ago, Iwatched with admiration and felt proud
as mankind for every US's scientific breakthroughs. Butwhen Chinado the same
these days, it draws negative remarks from US instead ofcelebrating it as
human achievement. What is wrong here ?
四十年前当我还是一个年轻人的时候,我怀揣着作为人类一员的钦佩与自豪看着美国的
每一次科学突破。但时至今日当中国也这样的时候却没能从美国收到把这作为人类成就
的祝贺反而是负面评价。美国到底怎么了?
14users liked this comment
It's just back and forth. In 2008 China knocked the US for the fastest
supercomputer.Then the US department ofEnergy's Titan knocked China's.And
now Chinahas the fastest again. and So forth. It's nothing to be jealous
about. It'scalled progression of technology, and it's good to have
competition. It makesit faster for to zoom forward into the future if you
have good competition.
这排名就是反反复复。2008年中国计算机击败了美国的成了世界最快,然后美国能源局
的泰坦击败了中国的,现在中国又成了世界最快的。然后不断循环。没啥好嫉妒的。这
就是科技进步,有竞争总是好事。 只要是有了良性竞争,将来会越来越快。
10users liked this comment
A number of years ago when my son wasworking on his PhD, he was the only
American in his research lab. All theothers were Chinese except for one who
was from the Middle East. I have been working with MIT for a number of
months now toreplace some equipment in one of their research buildings and I
see asignificant percentage of their graduate students are Asian. It
appears to methat they are far more focused on education in the sciences
than the US.
几年前我儿子做博士研究的时候,他是他们实验室唯一的美国人。除了另外一个中东的
,其他全都是中国人。因为要更换一个它们研究所的设备,我与麻省理工合作有几个月
了,我发现那里亚裔的比例相当高。在我看来他们对科学教育的关注远高于美国。
12users liked this comment
Good Job China. The US could havebeen the one doing this but nooo... We are
too busy fighting among ourselves,worrying about gay marriage, the
Kardashians, and other pathetic things. China investsin their people and
they dream to be a leading superpower. Only with a visionlike this among the
people can a country stride forward.2
干得好中国。美国本来会成为第一的但是不不不。。。我们一直忙于内斗,忙于为同性
婚姻操心, 忙着关注卡黛珊(译注:一个演肥皂剧的女演员),忙着其他没用的玩意
。中国为民生投资,梦想成为领袖强国。只有有这种雄心壮志人民的国家才会向前迈进。
13users liked this comment
ever try comparing an average chinese kidand average american kid in school?
huge differences. Majority of americansdont appreciate the value of math
and sciences, thats why there are less andless engineers coming out of
schools.
比较过学校里中国孩子和美国孩子的平均水平吗?差距太大了。大部分美国人对科学和
数学都不感冒,所以学校里出来的工程师越来越少。
3users liked this comment
It was so fast that it passed us before wecould read what's in it! LOL
真是太快了,以至于我们还没看清里边有啥就从我们身边一闪而过!哈哈
58users liked this comment
The jealousy in the comments is laughable. China had theworld's fastest
supercomputer back in 2008, they have it again now. It is toprove
technological capabilities of China.
评论里的嫉妒太可笑了。中国2008年的时候就曾有过最快的超级计算机,现在他们又有
了。这表明了中国的科技能力。
Americans would rather glorify sports andcelebrities rather than scientists
and engineers, it is not a surprise that China wouldcatch up in terms of
technology sooner or later.
美国人总是愿意崇拜运动员和名流而不是科学家和工程师,所以中国迟早会在科技上迎
头赶上,没什么好吃惊的。
10users liked this comment
And next year it will be defeated...so goestechnology.
下一年它就会被击败了……科技总是在进步。
28users liked this comment
Interesting how so many bloggers in thepast have stated that Chinais a
second rate nation who only copies from others. Same things we used to
sayabout Japan.Americans are so arrogant to think they are the only ones who
can achieve. China isalready passing this country in numerous categories
and yet we seem to be moreoccupied with the Kardashians. Pathetic!3
有趣的是过去还有那么多博主说中国是个只知道山寨的二流国家。就像我们曾经说日本
一样。美国人太自大了,总以为只有自己行。中国已经在很多方面超越了这个国家
而我们似乎只会对卡黛珊们越来越关注。可悲!
30users liked this comment
what goes up, must come down. Roman empire, Brirish Empire all declined. It
is turn if US empire now. Asia is rising. After Chinadecline it will be
Africa rising. Cyclecontinues.8
天理循环,报应难逃。罗马帝国,大英帝国都衰落了。现在似乎轮到美国帝国了。亚洲
正在崛起,中国之后就该轮到非洲了。如此循环下去。
3users liked this comment
Our students of today are lazy. China and India's students know in order
toget aheadin todays world, science and math as wellas engineering are the
feilds that will have the jobs where the need will be. America will beleft
in the dust.
我们的学生太懒惰了。中国和印度的学生都知道为了在今天的世界立足,科学,数学和
工程技术领域才有工作,才是努力的方向。美国人就等着吃灰吧。
4users liked this comment
Whatever you do, do NOT ask it to play"Global Thermonuclear War"! Take it up
on a nice game of chess,instead.
无论怎么样都别问它能不能玩《全球热核战争》!要问下棋厉不厉害。
10users liked this comment
Congratulations!!!
恭喜
3users liked this comment
That'll happen when your defense budget is50-100x times your education
budget.
当你的国防预算是教育的50-100倍的时候,这事就水到渠成了。
29users liked this comment
Boy, I'd like to surf some p0rn on that PC.
伙计,我想用这电脑看毛片。
6users liked this comment
I hope they didn't install Windows 8 onthat thing...
我希望他们最好别在那玩意上安windows 8……
4users liked this comment
When I was in Engineering school 30 yearsago most of the graduate students
were Chinese and Iranian. They took theirAmerican education and ran back
home with it. This computer is no surprise.1
30年前我在工程学校学习的时候,大部分毕业生都是中国人和伊朗人,他们在美国接受
完教育就跑回去了。这个计算机不算意外。
7users liked this comment
We need to get cracking if we want to top China again,but I harbor them no
ill will. Friendly rivalries are good for progress andgood for friendship.
如果想再次超过中国我们真得加把劲了,不过我对他们没什么恶意。有好的竞争对科技
进步来说是好事,对发展友谊来说也是好事。
2users liked this comment
The west has taught them everything theyneed to know to become the world
leader. Europe and America are on the decline.
西方教会了他们要成为世界领袖所需要知道的一切,欧美却正衰落。
3users liked this comment
Get used to it, as long as the US thinksbombing 3rd world countries further
back into the stone age is a better way tospend money, this country will
continue to fall further behind. Pure researchis virtually dead here while
it is alive and well in the Orient and in Europe.
试着习惯点吧,只要美国还认为把第三世界国家炸回到石器时代才是更好的花钱方式,
这个国家就会一直落后下去。纯粹的科研在这里已经死了,却在远东和欧洲生机勃勃。
2users liked this comment
This country needs to wake up and smell thecoffee. We need to stop letting
our Congress and the President get away withthe crimes their getting away
with. They work for us not the other way around.We are a Capitalist country
and that is what has made us different from therest of the world. It has
made us who we are. It was not Socialist. Are youlistening Obama?
这个国家该醒来了。不要再让国会和总统逃脱出他们该受到的制裁。他们是为我们服务
而不是为其他的什么。我们是一个资本主义国家,这是我们和世界其他国家的区别。而
不是社会主义国家,你听到了吗,奥巴马?
2users liked this comment
it's probably cooled with liquid slavelabor
说不定是用液体奴工冷却的。
1users liked this comment
In ten years, a $500 laptop will put it toshame..'jus saying.
不出十年,一个500美元的笔记本就会让它汗颜。
随便说说~
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If you want to understand why China isbeating us, read the "Bell Curve." Avg
IQ is 100 but average of eachethnic groups vary: Asian 104, Caucasian 102,
Hispanic 92, African 85, mentallyHandicap 75. The USin terms of percent is
losing Asians and Caucasians but gainingAfrican-Americans and Hispanics.
如果你想弄明白为什么中国打败了我们,看看钟形曲线图。人类平均智商是100,但是
每个种族的平均智商差距很大:亚裔是104,白人是102,西班牙裔是92,非洲裔85,智
障是75。美国的亚裔和白人人口的比例在下降,而黑人和西班牙裔在增加。
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Rapid computer speed allows for majorbreakthroughs in science and
engineering - more and quicker calculations meansMUCH harder problems are
solved. But hey!!! Americans can name the latestwinner on American Idol,
what the Kardashians are wearing and know whether J-Lois preggers or not -
you know, the important stuff! We also lead the world inArt History majors
and fast food employees - those Chinese had better watchout!!!
增加计算机的运算速度需要科学和工程技术上的重大突破——计算速度越快就意味着有
更棘手的难题要解决。但是,嘿!!!我们美国人说得出最新的美国偶像是谁,卡黛珊
穿什么衣服,詹妮弗洛佩兹怀孕了没——诸如此类的重要事情!我们还在艺术史和快餐
员工上引领世界——中国人最好小心点!!!
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And the cost is 75 percent less than the USsuper computers .
而且成本还比美国的超级计算机少75%。
c******a
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呵呵,其实DoE的机器就算搞出来世界最快,管理员和用户也是大量中国人
m********5
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以下论调完全是美国老将白痴:
美国在教育和科研的GDP支出无论是总量还是比例, 都远远超过China, India的总和.
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No surprise. Chinaand Indiahave made education and investment in science and
engineering a nationalpriority. Meanwhile we have political leaders in this
country who disparagescientists and think government investment in leading
edge research anddevelopment is a waste of money.
毫不吃惊。中国和印度把科学和工程学教育作为国家投资的优先考虑。而我们国内藐视
科学家的政客们却认为在前沿科研上投资是浪费钱。
x****u
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瓜爹在教育和科研上的支出无论总量和比例,也远远超过本版网友的总和。

and
this

【在 m********5 的大作中提到】
: 以下论调完全是美国老将白痴:
: 美国在教育和科研的GDP支出无论是总量还是比例, 都远远超过China, India的总和.
: 268users liked this commentPlease
: No surprise. Chinaand Indiahave made education and investment in science and
: engineering a nationalpriority. Meanwhile we have political leaders in this
: country who disparagescientists and think government investment in leading
: edge research anddevelopment is a waste of money.
: 毫不吃惊。中国和印度把科学和工程学教育作为国家投资的优先考虑。而我们国内藐视
: 科学家的政客们却认为在前沿科研上投资是浪费钱。

p**********6
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主要是NSA的超级计算机不参与排名。
l******r
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但是搞不过中国便宜
没看超级电脑成本只有美国1/4
所以美国至少要投入中国的4倍以上

and
this
★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 m********5 的大作中提到】
: 以下论调完全是美国老将白痴:
: 美国在教育和科研的GDP支出无论是总量还是比例, 都远远超过China, India的总和.
: 268users liked this commentPlease
: No surprise. Chinaand Indiahave made education and investment in science and
: engineering a nationalpriority. Meanwhile we have political leaders in this
: country who disparagescientists and think government investment in leading
: edge research anddevelopment is a waste of money.
: 毫不吃惊。中国和印度把科学和工程学教育作为国家投资的优先考虑。而我们国内藐视
: 科学家的政客们却认为在前沿科研上投资是浪费钱。

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