G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | |
G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 2 这么好的事
全力支持啊
大不了找 fed 多要些钞票
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 那谁给还呀？
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C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 3 直接规定大学免费得了，省事，贷款申请审批发放还tamd浪费一堆人力物力。
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 那谁给还呀？
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 4 看看老美的观点：
This is even worse than mortgage, which you hase a house as collateral. Any
Joe Blow now can go to an online school and take some worthless class, and
borrow as much as his heart desires for living expense for as long as he
wants. There is no cap on what he can borrow. No validation of his effort in
education. The only rule is, he pays back 10% of his income. And after 20
years, his loan is forgiven.
If this is not Marxism, I don't know what is. Welcome to Communist United
State of America!
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 直接规定大学免费得了，省事，贷款申请审批发放还tamd浪费一堆人力物力。
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 5 那不是便宜中产了嘛
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 直接规定大学免费得了，省事，贷款申请审批发放还tamd浪费一堆人力物力。
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a******9
发帖数: 20431 | |
G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 7 都没有学分上限？
真是慷慨啊
Any
in
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 看看老美的观点：
: This is even worse than mortgage, which you hase a house as collateral. Any
: Joe Blow now can go to an online school and take some worthless class, and
: borrow as much as his heart desires for living expense for as long as he
: wants. There is no cap on what he can borrow. No validation of his effort in
: education. The only rule is, he pays back 10% of his income. And after 20
: years, his loan is forgiven.
: If this is not Marxism, I don't know what is. Welcome to Communist United
: State of America!
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 8 谁不借钱上藤校，谁傻逼呀。一年借10万，借个10年，把博士拿下。100万贷款。
找个10万的工作。每年还1万贷款。20年后，债务全免。80万的好处呀。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 这么好的事
: 全力支持啊
: 大不了找 fed 多要些钞票
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G*****h
发帖数: 33134 | 9 直接读一辈子书多好啊
还找啥劳什子工作
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 谁不借钱上藤校，谁傻逼呀。一年借10万，借个10年，把博士拿下。100万贷款。
: 找个10万的工作。每年还1万贷款。20年后，债务全免。80万的好处呀。
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 10 也对，天天在校园里风花雪月，然后白拿10万。操，爽死了。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 直接读一辈子书多好啊
: 还找啥劳什子工作
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C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 11 呵呵，就是，现在票蛆们想着从生下来到进坟墓所有费用都要纳税人来支付了。
Any
in
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 看看老美的观点：
: This is even worse than mortgage, which you hase a house as collateral. Any
: Joe Blow now can go to an online school and take some worthless class, and
: borrow as much as his heart desires for living expense for as long as he
: wants. There is no cap on what he can borrow. No validation of his effort in
: education. The only rule is, he pays back 10% of his income. And after 20
: years, his loan is forgiven.
: If this is not Marxism, I don't know what is. Welcome to Communist United
: State of America!
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C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 12 给你中产加税，便宜个屁啊。票蛆们免费上了12年学还要免费上大学，你不光要给他们
付学费还有付生活费，票蛆毕业了不工作你还得养着他们到死。
【在 G*****h 的大作中提到】
: 那不是便宜中产了嘛
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j*****1
发帖数: 646 | 13 Welcome to Communist United |
w*p
发帖数: 16484 | 14 胆子越肥，欠债越多，得利越大。
以后自己老老实实掏钱上学的都是傻逼。 |
s*****V
发帖数: 21731 | 15 O8跟胡耀邦有点共同点，做事就是希望底下欢呼声而不顾国家的命运。 |
U**8
发帖数: 1921 | 16 谁说共产主义灭亡了的？共产主义在伟大的墨黑国实现了。 |
m*t
发帖数: 7490 | |
p**********6
发帖数: 3408 | 18 还因为自己的高尚情操把自己感动得热泪盈眶。
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: O8跟胡耀邦有点共同点，做事就是希望底下欢呼声而不顾国家的命运。
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s**********d
发帖数: 36899 | |
b***d
发帖数: 439 | |
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w*****s
发帖数: 2896 | 21 re
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 给你中产加税，便宜个屁啊。票蛆们免费上了12年学还要免费上大学，你不光要给他们
: 付学费还有付生活费，票蛆毕业了不工作你还得养着他们到死。
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n*******w
发帖数: 6708 | 22 一针见血，鞭辟入里
good point
说白了，胡耀邦和奥巴马都是为了个人的名誉，置国家民族利益而不顾
【在 s*****V 的大作中提到】
: O8跟胡耀邦有点共同点，做事就是希望底下欢呼声而不顾国家的命运。
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m********g
发帖数: 10469 | |
y*******w
发帖数: 5917 | 24 还好，只存了529，有些人401k存满，那才是冤大头，到时候小O8大笔一挥，一切都没
有了，
【在 s**********d 的大作中提到】
: 尼玛，白给孩子存529了。
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O****X
发帖数: 24292 | |
y*******w
发帖数: 5917 | 26 镇定，大部分钱都是国债借来的，到时候大笔一挥，国债不还了，就可以了，
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 给你中产加税，便宜个屁啊。票蛆们免费上了12年学还要免费上大学，你不光要给他们
: 付学费还有付生活费，票蛆毕业了不工作你还得养着他们到死。
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m********g
发帖数: 10469 | 27 这真不是开玩笑，民主党国会议员就多次提议案要求没收401K，然后补偿社保的亏空，
要养几千万劳模黑兄弟让他们出来投票没钱咋整。
Katy Grimes: With the recent Democratic reelection win by the Obama
administration, get ready for more than tax increases.
The government now wants your private 401(k) retirement plan. “As
Washington debates what to do about the fiscal cliff that it foolishly
created, many potential sources of new revenue will be thrown on the table.
One of them is likely to be 401(k) plans,” Investor’s Business Daily
reported Thursday.
“Retirement is an American’s reasonable expectation. We put money into
investment plans so that our work today funds our hard-earned leisure of
tomorrow. But many in Washington see our investment accounts not as the
expressions of well-planned, disciplined decisions but as untapped
reservoirs of wealth they can drain to fix the problems that they caused.”
There’s a great deal of money saved by private sector employees in 401(k)
plans. But liberals in government say that these retirement accounts aren’t
fair, and that they are the retirement plans of the wealthy.
More than 60 million American workers have a 401(k), 403(b) or 457(b) plans.
But taxing these accounts or lowering the amount that can be contributed to
them tax-free would do little to close the deficit and cut the debt, IBD
said.
“Total assets in 401(k)s are roughly $3 trillion. So even if they were
seized in their entirety, they would merely retire less than 19% of
Washington’s $16.3 trillion debt.”
Since first election Barack Obama, his government liberals have been saying
that our 401(k) exist on the backs of the poor, as if they had all the money
and it was stolen by the rest of us.
The truly scary part is that I have no doubt that a majority of the people
who voted to reelect Obama will not have a problem with the government
claiming ownership of Americans’ 401(k) plans. It’s the only fair way to
level the playing field.
“But many in Washington see our investment accounts not as the expressions
of well-planned, disciplined decisions but as untapped reservoirs of wealth
they can drain to fix the problems that they caused,”
The war on women is nothing. “The war on retirement, particularly 401(k)s,
is quiet now. But that’s because it’s a cold war,” IBD said.
In 2008, Teresa Ghilarducci, an economist from the New School, first
suggested to Congress the idea going after 401(k)s. One of California’s
Congressmen, George Miller, a Democrat, loved the idea. “George Miller, who
runs a congressional committee, Democrat in California, came out with the
first notion of just getting rid of your being able to deduct for your
income your contribution to your 401(k)…” He said we have to eliminate the
’401(k) tax subsidy’ back in 2008,” Rush Limbaugh reported on his radio
show Thursday.
Did Miller call this a “tax subsidy?”
“The government’s losing $80 billion by allowing you to deduct from your
gross income, your taxable income, whatever you contribute to your 401(k),
and they wanted to take that away. They had a hearing. They actually had a
hearing on this back in 2008 where they heard from this professor.
Ghilarducci appeared and she said, ‘I’ve got a better plan,’” Limbaugh
reported.
“What we want to do, we want to take your 401(k) at its August level,
before the crash. We’ll give you that equivalent and put it in your Social
Security account, essentially, and we’re going to invest that money that we
take from your retirement account, your 401(k), at its August level. We’re
going to buy government bonds with it, which will guarantee you 3% — and
then we will require that you put 5% of your pay into your 401(k) although
it’s not yours anymore,” Ghilarducci said to Congress.
IBD warned that the hostilities might be closer than many of us think. “The
American Society of Pension Professionals and Actuaries launched on Monday,
according to Reuters, “a media campaign intended to educate U.S. employers
and workers that the federal government might consider changing the tax
benefits of retirement savings accounts.”
“A website set up by the ASPPA advises account holders to tell lawmakers to
‘keep their hands off your retirement savings’ and explains that ‘
Congress needs to reduce the deficit, and part of deficit reduction will
most likely be ‘tax reform’ that increases tax revenue’ — the strong
suggestion being that Washington is coming after Americans’ 401(k)s,” IBD
said.
- See more at: http://calwatchdog.com/2012/11/30/the-govt-wants-your-401k-plan/#sthash.zNei8xNX.dpuf
【在 y*******w 的大作中提到】
: 还好，只存了529，有些人401k存满，那才是冤大头，到时候小O8大笔一挥，一切都没
: 有了，
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s*******u
发帖数: 9508 | 28 民主社会就是好啊， 为了选票， 磕头，下跪， 发钞票...哪管自己下台后洪水滔天！
妈的，红脖子还不起义？
Any
in
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 看看老美的观点：
: This is even worse than mortgage, which you hase a house as collateral. Any
: Joe Blow now can go to an online school and take some worthless class, and
: borrow as much as his heart desires for living expense for as long as he
: wants. There is no cap on what he can borrow. No validation of his effort in
: education. The only rule is, he pays back 10% of his income. And after 20
: years, his loan is forgiven.
: If this is not Marxism, I don't know what is. Welcome to Communist United
: State of America!
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k*******g
发帖数: 7321 | 29 re
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 直接规定大学免费得了，省事，贷款申请审批发放还tamd浪费一堆人力物力。
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k*******g
发帖数: 7321 | 30 OMG, 钱还是攥在自己手里踏实啊！
.
【在 m********g 的大作中提到】
: 这真不是开玩笑，民主党国会议员就多次提议案要求没收401K，然后补偿社保的亏空，
: 要养几千万劳模黑兄弟让他们出来投票没钱咋整。
: Katy Grimes: With the recent Democratic reelection win by the Obama
: administration, get ready for more than tax increases.
: The government now wants your private 401(k) retirement plan. “As
: Washington debates what to do about the fiscal cliff that it foolishly
: created, many potential sources of new revenue will be thrown on the table.
: One of them is likely to be 401(k) plans,” Investor’s Business Daily
: reported Thursday.
: “Retirement is an American’s reasonable expectation. We put money into
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m********g
发帖数: 10469 | 31 起个JB义， 白人至少20-30%是捅屁眼吸大麻嬉皮的左流子，加上劳模，亚裔，黑哥么
，现在投票人数过半。得州红脖子多不多，可以去女厕所看白妞屁股的法律不就是休士
顿整出来的。
红脖子现在也是挨操的份。
【在 s*******u 的大作中提到】
: 民主社会就是好啊， 为了选票， 磕头，下跪， 发钞票...哪管自己下台后洪水滔天！
: 妈的，红脖子还不起义？
:
: Any
: in
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k**o
发帖数: 15334 | 32 德州现在是红蓝各半，但是全国各大城市，比如休斯顿，都是深蓝，无一例外。
广大美国农村是深红。
【在 m********g 的大作中提到】
: 起个JB义， 白人至少20-30%是捅屁眼吸大麻嬉皮的左流子，加上劳模，亚裔，黑哥么
: ，现在投票人数过半。得州红脖子多不多，可以去女厕所看白妞屁股的法律不就是休士
: 顿整出来的。
: 红脖子现在也是挨操的份。
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s******s
发帖数: 13035 | 33 休斯顿最多浅蓝，可能还摇摆。德州唯一的深蓝是travis，也就是Austin
【在 k**o 的大作中提到】
: 德州现在是红蓝各半，但是全国各大城市，比如休斯顿，都是深蓝，无一例外。
: 广大美国农村是深红。
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s*****r
发帖数: 43070 | 34 让中国来的自费小刘来还，美国应该开发高中自费留学，决对能送几百亿美元 |
v****e
发帖数: 10715 | 35 义举！
.
【在 m********g 的大作中提到】
: 这真不是开玩笑，民主党国会议员就多次提议案要求没收401K，然后补偿社保的亏空，
: 要养几千万劳模黑兄弟让他们出来投票没钱咋整。
: Katy Grimes: With the recent Democratic reelection win by the Obama
: administration, get ready for more than tax increases.
: The government now wants your private 401(k) retirement plan. “As
: Washington debates what to do about the fiscal cliff that it foolishly
: created, many potential sources of new revenue will be thrown on the table.
: One of them is likely to be 401(k) plans,” Investor’s Business Daily
: reported Thursday.
: “Retirement is an American’s reasonable expectation. We put money into
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b***c
发帖数: 1460 | 36 所有的所谓自由派都这个操行
【在 n*******w 的大作中提到】
: 一针见血，鞭辟入里
: good point
: 说白了，胡耀邦和奥巴马都是为了个人的名誉，置国家民族利益而不顾
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s******8
发帖数: 4192 | 37 80万要交税的。
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 谁不借钱上藤校，谁傻逼呀。一年借10万，借个10年，把博士拿下。100万贷款。
: 找个10万的工作。每年还1万贷款。20年后，债务全免。80万的好处呀。
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l**k
发帖数: 45267 | 38 这个政策非常民主，非常普世啊，这个吐槽的老美肯定是版上小将五毛冒充的
Any
in
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 看看老美的观点：
: This is even worse than mortgage, which you hase a house as collateral. Any
: Joe Blow now can go to an online school and take some worthless class, and
: borrow as much as his heart desires for living expense for as long as he
: wants. There is no cap on what he can borrow. No validation of his effort in
: education. The only rule is, he pays back 10% of his income. And after 20
: years, his loan is forgiven.
: If this is not Marxism, I don't know what is. Welcome to Communist United
: State of America!
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x****u
发帖数: 12955 | 39
Not exactly correct. Their real problem is they actually do believe they
are doing the right thing for the country.
【在 n*******w 的大作中提到】
: 一针见血，鞭辟入里
: good point
: 说白了，胡耀邦和奥巴马都是为了个人的名誉，置国家民族利益而不顾
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w*****s
发帖数: 2896 | 40 牛, 民蛆党的欲望是无穷尽的.
索男索女们一生劳碌, 白干了.
.
【在 m********g 的大作中提到】
: 这真不是开玩笑，民主党国会议员就多次提议案要求没收401K，然后补偿社保的亏空，
: 要养几千万劳模黑兄弟让他们出来投票没钱咋整。
: Katy Grimes: With the recent Democratic reelection win by the Obama
: administration, get ready for more than tax increases.
: The government now wants your private 401(k) retirement plan. “As
: Washington debates what to do about the fiscal cliff that it foolishly
: created, many potential sources of new revenue will be thrown on the table.
: One of them is likely to be 401(k) plans,” Investor’s Business Daily
: reported Thursday.
: “Retirement is an American’s reasonable expectation. We put money into
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 41 早就告诉你们了，存钱的结果就是从政府少拿钱。
我们公司的老中爱把401K存满，我说没什么好处，他们还不高兴。
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 那谁给还呀？
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G**Y
发帖数: 33224 | 42 问题是你不存，别的投资回报率更低呀。
我们这州税快10%了。再加联邦税。
有啥投资能有这么个高的回报率？
【在 w*********r 的大作中提到】
: 早就告诉你们了，存钱的结果就是从政府少拿钱。
: 我们公司的老中爱把401K存满，我说没什么好处，他们还不高兴。
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r*****t
发帖数: 7278 | 43 请给个新闻的出处
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 那谁给还呀？
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s*********e
发帖数: 5245 | 44 TAXPAYER，你我打工者。
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 那谁给还呀？
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C*******f
发帖数: 13152 | 45 你以为都是跟中国借的？还大笔一挥？你去看看有多少是跟美国的个人组织联邦和州政
府借的，多少是跟社保基金借的，多少是跟退休基金借的，再来冒傻气吧。
【在 y*******w 的大作中提到】
: 镇定，大部分钱都是国债借来的，到时候大笔一挥，国债不还了，就可以了，
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h*******e
发帖数: 6167 | 46 小留的钱是石头里蹦出来的啊？
是人家爹妈的钱。人家爹妈的钱是石头里蹦出来的啊？
是在你爹妈头上拉屎逼你爹妈掏出来的血汗钱。
如果你父母是穷人，请你永远不要妄想父母是富人的人当冤大头。记住，穷人从根儿上
就是loser，所有你认为能让富人和他们的孩子吃亏的事情，最后都要报应到你和你家
人身上。所以不要妄想这些亏空是富人来还，永永远远是穷人在还债。
【在 s*****r 的大作中提到】
: 让中国来的自费小刘来还，美国应该开发高中自费留学，决对能送几百亿美元
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y*******w
发帖数: 5917 | 47 我说是从中国借得了么？从退休基金借，大笔一挥，退休基金破产，所有人存的退休金
全部清零，这样才能有flat playground，才符合普世原则，
【在 C*******f 的大作中提到】
: 你以为都是跟中国借的？还大笔一挥？你去看看有多少是跟美国的个人组织联邦和州政
: 府借的，多少是跟社保基金借的，多少是跟退休基金借的，再来冒傻气吧。
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y*******w
发帖数: 5917 | 48 没看前面有人说了，401k可以大笔一挥全部没收，投资回报率是-100%，买金砖放在地
下室埋起来，回报率也比401k高。
【在 G**Y 的大作中提到】
: 问题是你不存，别的投资回报率更低呀。
: 我们这州税快10%了。再加联邦税。
: 有啥投资能有这么个高的回报率？
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w*********r
发帖数: 42116 | 49 WATCH LIVE: Obama answers Tumblr questions on college loans
http://news.yahoo.com/live--president-obama-answers-tumblr-ques
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 请给个新闻的出处
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