Y****N
发帖数: 8694 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 WaterWorld 讨论区 】
发信人: StephenKing (金博士), 信区: WaterWorld
标 题: 怎么做生物而且成功
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Sat Feb 21 10:51:44 2015, 美东)
著名生物学家蒲慕明先生给本组所有成员的一封邮件,文中的Florian Engert现在
是哈佛的正教授。
http://www.mcb.harvard.edu/mcb/faculty/profile/florian-engert/
Lab members:
Over the past several months, it has become clear to me that if there is no
drastic change in the lab, Poo lab will soon cease to be a productive, first
-rate lab that you chose to join in the first place. Lab progress reports
over the past six months have clearly shown the lack of progress in most
projects.
One year ago, when we first moved to Berkeley, I expressed clearly to
everyone my expectation from each one in the lab. The most important thing
is what I consider to be sufficient amount of time and effort in the lab
work. I mentioned that about 60 hr working time per week is what I consider
the minimal time an average successful young scientist in these days has to
put into the lab work.
There may be a few rare lucky fellows like Florian, who had two Nature
papers in his sleeve already, can enjoy life for a while and still get a job
offer from Harvard. Nobody else in the lab has Florian's luxury to play
around. Thus I am imposing strict rules in the lab from now on:
Everyone works at least 50 hr a week in the lab（e.g.8+ hr a day, six days a
week）. This is by far lower than what I am doing every day and throughout
most of my career. You may be smarter or do not want to be successful, but I
am not asking you to match my time in the lab.
By working, I mean real bench work. This does not include surfing on the
computer and sending and receiving e-mails for non-scientific matters
unrelated to your work（you can do this after work in the lab or at home,
and excessive chatting on nonscientific matters. No long lunch break except
special occasions. I suggest that everyone puts in at least 6 hr
concentrated bench work and 2+ hr reading and other research-related
activity each day. Reading papers and books should be done mostly after work
. More time can be spent on reading, literature search and writing during
working hours when you are ready for writing a paper.
I must be informeded in person by e-mail（even in my absence from the lab）
when you are absent from the lab for a whole day or more. Inform me early
your vacation plan. Taking more than 20 working days out of one year is the
maximum to me. In fact, none of you are reporting any vacation and sick
leave on your time sheet（against the university rule, although I have been
signing the sheets）, but you know roughly how many days you were not here.
On the whole, I understand and accept the fact that you may not fulfill the
above requirements all the time, due to health reasons, occasional personal
business. But if you do not like to follow the rules because it is simply a
matter of choice of life style, I respect your choice but suggest you start
making plans immediately and leave the lab by the end of January 31. I will
do my best to help you to locate a lab to transfer or to find a job. If you
do accept the conditions I describe above, I am happy to continue to provide
my best support to your work, hopefully more than I have done in the past.
I will review the progress of everyone in the lab by the end of June of 2002
. I expect everyone to have made sufficient progress in the research so that
a good paper is in sight（at least to the level of J.Neuroscience. If you
cannot meet this goal at that time, I will have to ask you to prepare to
leave my lab by the end of August.
As a scientist, you must dedicate everything to this business 8-hour is
unpractical. There is NO way for a scientist or a Ph.D student to work only
8 hours a day!
Go to your mother’s house for afternoon naps and never come back!
5 weeks per year (Chinese New Year, the May Day and the National Day breaks
are included)
Start your morning work not later than 8:30 am and afternoon work no later
than 1 pm
Surf over the Internet for non-scientific purposes should be less than 30
min a day
Reading newspapers should be limited less than 30 min a day
Novels or other non-scientific journals/magazines are not permitted in the
lab and office
If you are absent from the lab more than one hour, get permission first.
Everyone has personal business, but the lab business always has priority
unless in emergency
In this business, an“average”student who works seven days a week is
definitely more productive than a“genius”who works five days a week
If you are able to make any major progresses by working 8 hours a day and 5
days a week, every fortunate in this world must be on your side!
施一公对此表示同意，而且认为下限应该加到60小时/周。
据观察，不论国内外的，只要做实验，每周60小时应该是下限。 | Y****N
发帖数: 8694 | 2 搞生物的老板们真狠啊
As a scientist, you must dedicate everything to this business 8-hour is
unpractical. There is NO way for a scientist or a Ph.D student to work only
8 hours a day!
Go to your mother’s house for afternoon naps and never come back!
5 weeks per year (Chinese New Year, the May Day and the National Day breaks
are included)
Start your morning work not later than 8:30 am and afternoon work no later
than 1 pm
Surf over the Internet for non-scientific purposes should be less than 30
min a day
Reading newspapers should be limited less than 30 min a day
Novels or other non-scientific journals/magazines are not permitted in the
lab and office
If you are absent from the lab more than one hour, get permission first.
Everyone has personal business, but the lab business always has priority
unless in emergency
In this business, an“average”student who works seven days a week is
definitely more productive than a“genius”who works five days a week
If you are able to make any major progresses by working 8 hours a day and 5
days a week, every fortunate in this world must be on your side! | Y****N
发帖数: 8694 | 3 这你妈就是赤裸裸的奴工啊
only
breaks
【在 Y****N 的大作中提到】
: 搞生物的老板们真狠啊
: As a scientist, you must dedicate everything to this business 8-hour is
: unpractical. There is NO way for a scientist or a Ph.D student to work only
: 8 hours a day!
: Go to your mother’s house for afternoon naps and never come back!
: 5 weeks per year (Chinese New Year, the May Day and the National Day breaks
: are included)
: Start your morning work not later than 8:30 am and afternoon work no later
: than 1 pm
: Surf over the Internet for non-scientific purposes should be less than 30
| r*****t
发帖数: 4793 | | Y****N
发帖数: 8694 | 5 一直听说生物苦
看了这封email我才算真的见识了
shocked！
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 这种老板都狠毒到不知道自己有多狠毒
| r*****t
发帖数: 4793 | 6 在这种老板手下没法不苦
中国老板不少这样的
老板好人的话，一般出文章也确实慢
所以，转行是正道
珍惜生命 远离生物
【在 Y****N 的大作中提到】
: 一直听说生物苦
: 看了这封email我才算真的见识了
: shocked！
| S*******l
发帖数: 4637 | 7 这个很寻常，不这么做读生物，化学就是自杀。老板话说明面儿比放任学生混更负责。
这行业就这么残酷，别的行业混到学位就有工作。这行只混学位是死路一条，只有拼。
这个工作量比住院医还差不少。大律所associate 时间也比这个长。
想出头的又能吃苦的人很多。特别academy, 多少人是一辈子的12-14小时每天。
【在 Y****N 的大作中提到】
: 一直听说生物苦
: 看了这封email我才算真的见识了
: shocked！
| h*h
发帖数: 18873 | 8 不光中国老板，其他老板大多一样。
听说当年有去E J Corey组做泼死道的华人学生自杀的。
【在 r*****t 的大作中提到】
: 在这种老板手下没法不苦
: 中国老板不少这样的
: 老板好人的话，一般出文章也确实慢
: 所以，转行是正道
: 珍惜生命 远离生物
| d********t
发帖数: 9628 | 9 RE
【在 S*******l 的大作中提到】
: 这个很寻常，不这么做读生物，化学就是自杀。老板话说明面儿比放任学生混更负责。
: 这行业就这么残酷，别的行业混到学位就有工作。这行只混学位是死路一条，只有拼。
: 这个工作量比住院医还差不少。大律所associate 时间也比这个长。
: 想出头的又能吃苦的人很多。特别academy, 多少人是一辈子的12-14小时每天。
| T******y
发帖数: 14506 | 10 可以在天安门给蒲慕明立个铜像了。
in this slave camp, an“average”student who works seven days a week is
definitely more productive than a“genius”who works five days a week |
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