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Military版 - The US and China can avoid a collision course – if the US gives up its empire
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b********n
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http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2015/may/28/conflict-u
The US and China can avoid a collision course – if the US gives up its
empire
--John Glaser
To avoid a violent militaristic clash with China, or another cold war
rivalry, the United States should pursue a simple solution: give up its
empire.
Americans fear that China’s rapid economic growth will slowly translate
into a more expansive and assertive foreign policy that will inevitably
result in a war with the US. Harvard Professor Graham Allison has found: “
in 12 of 16 cases in the past 500 years when a rising power challenged a
ruling power, the outcome was war.” Chicago University scholar John
Mearsheimer has bluntly argued: “China cannot rise peacefully.”
But the apparently looming conflict between the US and China is not because
of China’s rise per se, but rather because the US insists on maintaining
military and economic dominance among China’s neighbors. Although Americans
like to think of their massive overseas military presence as a benign force
that’s inherently stabilizing, Beijing certainly doesn’t see it that way.
According to political scientists Andrew Nathan and Andrew Scobell, Beijing
sees America as “the most intrusive outside actor in China’s internal
affairs, the guarantor of the status quo in Taiwan, the largest naval
presence in the East China and South China seas, [and] the formal or
informal military ally of many of China’s neighbors.” (All of which is
true.) They think that the US “seeks to curtail China’s political
influence and harm China’s interests” with a “militaristic, offense-
minded, expansionist, and selfish” foreign policy.
China’s regional ambitions are not uniquely pernicious or aggressive, but
they do overlap with America’s ambition to be the dominant power in its own
region, and in every region of the world.
b********n
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According to political scientists Andrew Nathan and Andrew Scobell, Beijing
sees America as “the most intrusive outside actor in China’s internal
affairs, the guarantor of the status quo in Taiwan, the largest naval
presence in the East China and South China seas, [and] the formal or
informal military ally of many of China’s neighbors.” (All of which is
true.) They think that the US “seeks to curtail China’s political
influence and harm China’s interests” with a “militaristic, offense-
minded, expansionist, and selfish” foreign policy.
b********n
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The struggle for military and economic primacy in Asia is not really about
our core national security interests; rather, it’s about preserving status,
prestige and America’s neurotic image of itself. Those are pretty dumb
reasons to risk war.
b********n
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In the long run China will still be there and US will slowly fade away. In
other words, US is going to lose. What is driving US stubborn defense of its
empire is the cultural inability to lose and the great money that is being
made by propping up the empire edifice.
This dynamic happened before in most empires - the only question is whether
they collapse gracefully or violently. US seems to be heading for the more
ugly option.
But it will make great Hollywood movies about fake history for years, so I
guess the stubborn idiocy is worth it....
b********n
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"The problem isn’t China’s rise, but rather America’s insistence on
maintaining military and economic dominance right in China’s backyard"
b********n
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The problem with accusing another nation of lying is that you open up your
own country to the same kind of scrutiny. If a country is a threat, because
it lies, then your own country is also a threat, because it lies. Shall we
draw up a tally list of who tells the most lies? For some countries it would
entail counting the lip movements of their politicians, rather than
anaylysing the content of their speech.
If you choose to point to the lies of another country, while ignoring the
whoppers of your own, you are simply involved in a schoolyard argument of '
we are right because we are us, and they are wrong, because they are them.'
This attitude will only ever lead to outright conflict.
b********n
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China cannot simply claim land on dubious historical claims from the 12th c.
and bully its neighbours.
no?
but Israel can claim land from 2000 years ago which claim is dubious at best
, if you look into it.
they've been digging furiously al over trying to find artifacts that 'proves
' they were there...
so far no luck.
b********n
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The US is not a peaceable country, it is a warmonger as we've seen again and
again and again. Even though it may win a battle it ultimately loses the
war, as Vietnam bears testimony. They destroyed Iraq in a campaign of
aggressive warfare and opened the way for Isis, whom they are now doing
their best to demonise - as they did with their own native population in the
19th. century. They messed up Yugoslavia and Afghanistan. They mess up
wherever they go yet they seem incapable of realising this. The megalomania
is all-consuming. There may have been a slight easing off with Obama but
there's a fair chance the PNAC-republicans could get back in - the country
is deranged enough to elect them again; then it'll be a case of when, not if
. If I were China I'd be prepared, very prepared ...
b********n
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b********n
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Covert United States foreign regime change actions
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regim
t********1
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打嘴炮没用,习大不吃这一套
f**********d
发帖数: 4960
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can't agree more

【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: "The problem isn’t China’s rise, but rather America’s insistence on
: maintaining military and economic dominance right in China’s backyard"

l****p
发帖数: 27354
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支持京人(北)赶走美军,拿下南海!

【在 b********n 的大作中提到】
: Covert United States foreign regime change actions
: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_United_States_foreign_regim

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