m***n
发帖数: 12188 | 1 各位搜索一下 “recovered memory therapy”，曾经在美国流行，已经被禁止使用了
。 还有虚假记忆“false memory”，刚搜到一个极好的定义，忘记保存了。懒得再找
。大家自己看去。
注意，这句话是心理学专业协会的结论：
“Pseudomemories can be created of abuse events that never happened”
False memories of child abuse: late 1970s and the 1980s, 心理学带来了大量
false accusations of sexual abuse of children and women, 为什么呢？有人从社
会学上解释为这些妇女是在50－60年代长大的，60年代正是性解放的时代，所以她们的
父亲受到主流文化影响，施加性虐和恋童的概率特高。不过这个解释不靠谱。
正确的解释是，当时心理学家发明了recovered memory therapy, 一种新技术，政府大
力提倡，很多妇女主动或者被要求去参与，结果个个被发现小时候被abused，其技术本
质是一种催眠，原意是要唤起被压抑和忘记的记忆，实际上则是被植入了虚假记忆。
加上心理医生们作为人，都有成就心理，想要实现自我价值，发现一些新东西，所以努
力朝发现abuse上努力，实际是在植入虚假记忆。许多家庭破裂，很多人入狱。后来这
种技术被禁止了。因为太荒谬。
比如一个妇女，在“治疗”后作证说父亲十几年前性虐待自己，给自己吃活青蛙，举行
撒旦仪式，然后开虐。父亲在监狱里面自杀了。后来这个技术被怀疑以后，有人发现，
妇女陈述的事实很多经不起福尔摩斯式的推敲。比如坐飞机在飞机厕所里施虐，但是那
个城市当时没有机场，这个可以解释为记忆失误，而那个地方夏天没有青蛙，妇女解释
说是父亲特意从外地买来的活青蛙？太过荒谬。
这个和社会传统也有关，多半美国人家庭联系不密切，所以在制造对父母不利的记忆的
时候没有困难，受害者黑人最多，也因为黑人家庭文化，家庭联系不密切，没有上下尊
卑，君臣父子的观念。
传统华人儿童很少被种入这种虚假记忆。如果是传统中国人，因为儒家文化影响，潜意
识会强烈抗拒这种针对父母的不利行为。不会有这么明显的效果。加上以前的华人社会
不宣传儿童性虐待之类，没有意识的种子（belief system），也就很难编制故事，或
者在心里种下这种假的记忆。
＝》》 但是华人儿童在过早接受性教育之后，能够产生对家庭之外的别人不利的虚假
记忆。
http://www.caic.org.au/fms-sra/rmt.htm
What Kinds of Abuse are Uncovered?
This appears to depend upon the belief system of the therapist. The most
common types are:
memories of sexual abuse and/or incest during childhood. The father is often
remembered as the perpetrator. The abuse is often recalled as being
facilitated, permitted or ignored by the other parent. In about 20% of cases
, recollections of ritual abuse are later uncovered, typically by Satanic
cults or by a men's fraternal organization.
memories of kidnapping by aliens and being forcibly subjected to intrusive,
often horrendous medical experiments on UFO's (0).
memories of physical or sexual abuse during a former lifetime. The client is
age regressed back to childhood, to their birth and finally to an earlier
lifetime where they often recall abuse. One study (which we have not yet
been able to locate) found that 25% of "graduate counselors" believe in past
life abuse. (It is unclear what the study defines a "graduate counselor" to
be).
Sexual abuse memories are by far the most damaging, because the alleged
perpetrators are often members of the client's family or origin. The
destruction of the family frequently follows. Abuse by little green men on
UFO's or by unknown perpetrators in a prior life has less potential for
damage. The latter cannot lead to accusations against parents and other
people with the resultant court battles, damaged reputations, overwhelming
stress and immense legal costs.
Therapists who are committed to the widespread incidence of childhood sexual
abuse recover such memories in most of their clients (some claim all of
their clients). Therapists who believe in UFO's and in little green men
under every rock recover such memories in most of their clients. So too do
therapists who believe in past lives.
One is forced to one of two inescapable conclusions:
most recovered memories are accurate recollections, and thus the vast
majority of adults have been sexually abused as children, and on board UFO's
, and in former lifetimes. That is, many or most people have been abused in
multiple ways by multiple groups of perpetrators, perhaps over many
centuries.
most recovered memories are a form of iatrogenic disorder: false beliefs
inadvertently triggered and facilitated in clients by their therapists.
Additional sources of false memories could be:
suggestive techniques described in books (e.g. The Courage to Heal)
fellow members of incest support groups. | g******t
发帖数: 18158 | 2 小孩会骗人的，有时候也不是出于恶意，是脑子没长好，分不清自己的想象和现实。也
有出于恶意的，我上小学的时候，有个低年级的小男孩非说我打他了，说的真真的，他
妈不依不饶要找我算账。后来小孩改口了，说打他的不是我
【在 m***n 的大作中提到】
: 各位搜索一下 “recovered memory therapy”，曾经在美国流行，已经被禁止使用了
: 。 还有虚假记忆“false memory”，刚搜到一个极好的定义，忘记保存了。懒得再找
: 。大家自己看去。
: 注意，这句话是心理学专业协会的结论：
: “Pseudomemories can be created of abuse events that never happened”
: False memories of child abuse: late 1970s and the 1980s, 心理学带来了大量
: false accusations of sexual abuse of children and women, 为什么呢？有人从社
: 会学上解释为这些妇女是在50－60年代长大的，60年代正是性解放的时代，所以她们的
: 父亲受到主流文化影响，施加性虐和恋童的概率特高。不过这个解释不靠谱。
: 正确的解释是，当时心理学家发明了recovered memory therapy, 一种新技术，政府大
| m***n
发帖数: 12188 | 3 很多人的所谓被外星人绑架，还有前生的记忆之类，也是一种虚假记忆。
他们不是撒谎，而是自以为是真的。
因为众所周知的原因，某些虚假记忆没有多少危害性，有些则有危害。 | z**********e
发帖数: 22064 | | I******I
发帖数: 14241 | 5 唐人街神探里面那个小女孩就是利用虚假记忆欺骗她父亲去杀人。 | m***n
发帖数: 12188 | 6 别处写得的帖子，拷贝过来：
推荐一本书：
Manufacturing Victims： What The Psychology Industry Is Doing To People
Dineen, Tana
Book - 2000
Dr. Tana Dineen, after thirty years in the profession, has written an
unflinching critique of Psychology. Manufacturing Victims, now fully revised
and updated, has been heralded as an expose of the way the discipline has
become corrupted by the vested interests of its practitioners. Book jacket.
至少，按照某些书的说法，心理医生的证词制造了无数性虐性侵冤案。美国社会对sex
过渡obsession.
心理学可以是证据，可以放在逻辑中，但是不应该是唯一证据。
6岁小孩是无法有逻辑地叙述的。同一件事情多次叙述必有差别。你和你自己或者邻居
小孩谈话就知道了。
所以是专家（社工，医生）对话后整理出来的“事实”。
我认为心理医生和中医一样，算不得真正科学，还不如中医可靠。这不是我的原创观点
，很多人也是。包括牧师，科学家，甚至心理学家。
医生也是一种business，心理医生也是，最基本的还是赚钱。 心理学很有趣，但是比
中医还要不靠谱，比中医更加类似玄学。你想想什么阉割情节之类。
心理学和中医一样，确实有用，有时能创造奇迹，但是并非总是靠谱。
但是心理医生取得了 “权威专业人士” 的地位。
心理学多半不可证伪。
你自己想想周围，有没有这样的事情：
某人吃到苍蝇，心理医生证明受到心理创伤，索赔几十万。但是你去找别的心理医生可
能根本没用。你没找到合适的心理医生。这个太不靠谱。
某人出车祸，身体一点没事，心理受到极大创伤，索赔几十万。每个月看心理医生面谈
聊天。 |
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