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发帖数: 1061 | 1 他的历史是习教的？
https://qz.com/962409/donald-trump-and-korea-trump-makes-false-claim-that-
korea-was-part-of-china/
Following his meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping, Donald Trump made a
shocking admission of ignorance to the Wall Street Journal, on the subject
of China and North Korea: “After listening [to Xi] for 10 minutes I
realized that…it’s not so easy.” Trump has been called out for having his
views on such an important geopolitical issue shift dramatically in a
matter of minutes. He also may not know who rules North Korea.
Right before that line about listening to Xi, though, Trump said something
arguably even more shocking. He claimed that “Korea actually used to be a
part of China.” This is a glaring historical inaccuracy that has, somehow,
not yet enraged South Korea, which is usually extremely defensive about
suggestions that it is lesser than China or has ever been dependent on it.
Trump also made it clear in the interview that when he says Korea “used to
be a part of China,” he is talking about the entire Korean peninsula, not
just the North. Here’s the full quote:
[Xi] then went into the history of China and Korea. Not North Korea,
Korea. And you know, you’re talking about thousands of years …and many
wars. And Korea actually used to be a part of China.
“No respectable historian would make such a claim,” said Kyung Moon Hwang,
a history professor at the University of Southern California and author of
A History of Korea, when I asked him via email to assess Trump’s statement.
We can probably assume that Trump did not have ideas of his own about this
matter of Asian history, and in fact got this notion from Xi. But where
would Xi have gotten it? “It’s possible that Xi said something like this,
as such a story has been part of the nationalist history project under the
Chinese Communist Party for a couple of decades,” added Hwang.
There are two moments in history that come close. The first was under the
Han Dynasty, which in the second century BC set up four “commanderies” in
the northern part of Korea. These, however, were more like British colonial
rule in India, and not a formal union of Chinese and Korean territory. Still
, Chinese researchers have tried to argue that this places Korea within “
Chinese local history.”
The next moment came in 13th century AD, when the Mongol empire’s global
domination happened to include both China and Korea. After a total of seven
campaigns to take Korea, the Mongols succeeded, but “even then, the Mongols
controlled China more directly than Korea,” said Hwang. Setting aside the
controversial question of whether the empire of Mongol invaders counts as “
China,” Korea was regardless only a vassal state of the Mongols.
If Xi said “something like this,” though, it is unlikely that he said
anything as strong as Korea being “part of China.” He could have
reasonably said something to the effect of, “Korea was once a part of the
same empire as China.” That would apply to the Yuan Dynasty, the one set up
by the Mongols and ruled by Kublai Khan. Or he may have said, “China once
ruled Korea,” which could maybe work for the Han Dynasty. Trump could have
then interpreted either of those statements as meaning Korea was “part” of
China—which would be wrong, of course. Or maybe there was a translation
issue. We’ll probably never know what Xi actually said.
Still, to Hwang’s point, the perception of Korea being part of China has
some credibility in the mainland. For example, one question on Zhidao—a
question-and-answer site akin to Quora—asks (link in Chinese), “Do Koreans
know that Korea was once part of China?”
To which the top answerer responds, correctly, “you are mistaken.” | w***y
发帖数: 49 | | f*******e
发帖数: 1061 | 3 那宇宙也是中国的一部分啦.
【在 w***y 的大作中提到】
: 宇宙都是韩国的
| k**i
发帖数: 10191 | 4 老川说的话本身没有什么毛病，他的意思是习川会的时候，习“告诉“他朝鲜在历史上
曾经属于中国(老川的理解），这个说法出现，可能是翻译的毛病，朝鲜在历史上确实
长期
属于中国的蕃属国，近代甲午战争好像也是起源于中日对朝鲜蕃属的争夺。可能老川把
蕃属国误解成中国的一部份，类似以前日不落帝国和殖民地的关系。
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【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: 他的历史是习教的？
: https://qz.com/962409/donald-trump-and-korea-trump-makes-false-claim-that-
: korea-was-part-of-china/
: Following his meeting with Chinese president Xi Jinping, Donald Trump made a
: shocking admission of ignorance to the Wall Street Journal, on the subject
: of China and North Korea: “After listening [to Xi] for 10 minutes I
: realized that…it’s not so easy.” Trump has been called out for having his
: views on such an important geopolitical issue shift dramatically in a
: matter of minutes. He also may not know who rules North Korea.
: Right before that line about listening to Xi, though, Trump said something
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