e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 1 【 以下文字转载自 Parenting 讨论区 】
发信人: easygirl (gg), 信区: Parenting
标 题: 有国内(通过中介 or not)到美国来上高中，预科或大学的吗？
发信站: BBS 未名空间站 (Tue Dec 27 13:02:32 2011, 美东)
帮国内的朋友打听。不是成绩特别优秀的那种孩子。
咱先不说这样做好不好，对不对的。
我想这边的人知道的故事应该都是已经来了的，也会比较真实。
有具体信息的包子表心意。 | m****s
发帖数: 8992 | | e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 3 easygirl，您好：
您转给 mitccs,现金(伪币):50.00,收取手续费:0.5
同时附加了如下留言给 mitccs.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/NewJersey/31671963.html
站务
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: 给5个包子
: 我就告诉你
| k********a
发帖数: 7225 | 4 我认识一个被拒签３次的，现在正在准备签第四次。。。
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: easygirl，您好：
: 您转给 mitccs,现金(伪币):50.00,收取手续费:0.5
: 同时附加了如下留言给 mitccs.
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t0/NewJersey/31671963.html
: 站务
| e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 5 现在他们是一无所知的状态。
小孩刚上高一，估计在国内得上自费大学的那种。在２线城市。
如果你／或你知道的，你的朋友用过的中介，能不能给个具体的名字－－即使不在一个
城市应该也没关系吧。
联系的是这边什么样的学校？最好能知道学校的名字。
如果不是特别牛的学校，签证方面的经验。
在选中介，学校，签证等方面有什么经验之谈。
谢谢先。
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: 给5个包子
: 我就告诉你
| m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 6 Easygoing,
谢谢包子！
我有个朋友认识一个被拒签３次的，现在正在准备签第四次。。。 | m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 7 我还认识几个
大概20年前来的。可以问他们。
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: 现在他们是一无所知的状态。
: 小孩刚上高一，估计在国内得上自费大学的那种。在２线城市。
: 如果你／或你知道的，你的朋友用过的中介，能不能给个具体的名字－－即使不在一个
: 城市应该也没关系吧。
: 联系的是这边什么样的学校？最好能知道学校的名字。
: 如果不是特别牛的学校，签证方面的经验。
: 在选中介，学校，签证等方面有什么经验之谈。
: 谢谢先。
| e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 8 我也觉得签证可能是问题呢，如果学校一般的话。
现在这个签证的成功率不知道有多大：非牛校，出来读高中／本科／预科。
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: Easygoing,
: 谢谢包子！
: 我有个朋友认识一个被拒签３次的，现在正在准备签第四次。。。
| e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 9 20年前?! 包子放２天就坏了吧。;-)
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: 我还认识几个
: 大概20年前来的。可以问他们。
| j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 10 经验就是多签几次
材料准备好 随便他们问 据实回答就好
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: 现在他们是一无所知的状态。
: 小孩刚上高一，估计在国内得上自费大学的那种。在２线城市。
: 如果你／或你知道的，你的朋友用过的中介，能不能给个具体的名字－－即使不在一个
: 城市应该也没关系吧。
: 联系的是这边什么样的学校？最好能知道学校的名字。
: 如果不是特别牛的学校，签证方面的经验。
: 在选中介，学校，签证等方面有什么经验之谈。
: 谢谢先。
| | | e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 11 kind of general, any details? see post #5.
【在 j*a 的大作中提到】
: 经验就是多签几次
: 材料准备好 随便他们问 据实回答就好
| k********a
发帖数: 7225 | 12 pian4 bao1 zi ah
【在 m****s 的大作中提到】
: Easygoing,
: 谢谢包子！
: 我有个朋友认识一个被拒签３次的，现在正在准备签第四次。。。
| o******t
发帖数: 4384 | 13 说实话 刚上高一的孩子正处叛逆期 来这边上高中 如果没有人看着点指导 很容易
学坏的 抽烟不说 毒品也泛滥 就算是最好的高中里也有毒品
可以读完高中在这边申请个社区大学 这样签证过来也可以的 | j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 14 cause there's no trick as far as i know.
unconventional way is out of my knowledge of course.
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: kind of general, any details? see post #5.
| e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 15 不值得为几个包子损RP吧。。。
【在 k********a 的大作中提到】
: pian4 bao1 zi ah
| k********a
发帖数: 7225 | 16 My family friend's case:
She got the admission from a blah blah high school (you know what I mean...)
, via a 中介 in New York. Her family has prepared for everything. Then she
got 3 visa rejections.
Predestinated...
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: 不值得为几个包子损RP吧。。。
| M****S
发帖数: 1125 | 17 NTHKM?
.)
【在 k********a 的大作中提到】
: My family friend's case:
: She got the admission from a blah blah high school (you know what I mean...)
: , via a 中介 in New York. Her family has prepared for everything. Then she
: got 3 visa rejections.
: Predestinated...
| d*****j
发帖数: 1192 | 18 what do you want to know?
I was an average high school student in China 15+ years ago. My TOEFL was
below 550 and I did not take SAT. I applied two schools, one third rate
school in SUNY system and another state college in CT. I got accepted by
SUNY and got the F-1 visa in Shanghai on my first try.
I did not have scholarships nor any oversea relatives. My father's sister in
law's distant cousin filled Affidavit of Support and I had never met the
guy either.
I worked three jobs to pay for my out of state tuition and got good enough
grades to move to a better SUNY school once I was in the US.
Bottom line: everything is possible, average Chinese students are still
better than many supposedly smart American students.
If your friend's child really wants to come and is motivated,by all means,
she/he should give a try.
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: 不值得为几个包子损RP吧。。。
| M*****a
发帖数: 7122 | 19 签证是个问题，另外18岁前未成年，自己来读书谁当你的legal guardian？出了事谁负
责？而且美国的高中孩子正是mean的时候，你来了被isolated被排挤对心理发育也不好
啊。还是大学再来吧。
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: 我也觉得签证可能是问题呢，如果学校一般的话。
: 现在这个签证的成功率不知道有多大：非牛校，出来读高中／本科／预科。
| f*********u
发帖数: 6298 | | | | e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 21 谢谢你的答复。我觉得你当初是个好孩子，是自己很有motivation 的。我觉得也许就
是你自身的这种素质征服了签证官，顺利地一次就拿到了签证。
我感觉我朋友的意思是想找个中介什么的--主要是他们自身的能力和精力的限制吧。如
果孩子有心好好读书，你说到的转学到是个好主意。 | n*********e
发帖数: 25274 | 22 据《新京报》报道，中国留学服务机构预测，2012年中国学生赴海外留学仍将以美国、
加拿大、英国和澳洲为主。
报道引述美国国际教育协会刚公布 的《门户开放报告》说，2010至2011学年，在美国
留学的中国学生达15万7558人，比上一学年净增约3万人。中国学生赴美留学仍以读硕
士或博士研究生为主，占总部48.8%；读大学本科的中国学生占36.5%。但与上学年相比
，中国留美本科学生增长幅度达42.7%，远高于研究生15.6%的增幅。
中国国家发改委培训中心特聘留学顾问、金东方美国部技术总监张伟用说，美国官方的
留学政策持续好转，透露出美国政府持续加强引导中国学生赴美留学的明确态度。
此外，中国国内学生家长对国外的高质量教育需求强劲，加上中国政府也在提倡出国留
学或引进国外优质教育资源等因素，也给更多的平常百姓出国留学提供了政策支持、经
济的推动。
报告显示，2011年中国报考“托福”的考生中，18岁以下的考生比率增长一倍多。与本
科、研究生留学相比，低龄学生在申请时更多依赖于中介机构的帮助。通常他们对国外
院校的了解较少，而办理部分国家高中留学的手续比申请去大学深造的手续更繁杂，对
于这部分人群，留学中介的服务在逐步从“中介申请服务”到 “保姆式”服务的转变。
北京留学服务行业协会会长桑澎坦言，近两年中学生留学增长很快，但低龄留学不可能
占主体，以美国为例，首先只有私立 中学能接受国际学生，但美国私立中学仅200多所
，容纳的国际学生有限；其次，费用高，还不是大部分中国家庭所能承受；第三，家长
的心理承受能力也有限， 不是所有家长都放心让年幼的孩子赴海外留学。
他说，明年中国国内留学市场热潮将持续，尤其是美、加、英、澳等将继续受欢迎。中
国的教育制度决定学生大多只能选择英语国家，虽然许多非英语国家也开设了英语课程
，但短期内不会改变整个留学格局。 | e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 23 thanks.
【在 n*********e 的大作中提到】
: 据《新京报》报道，中国留学服务机构预测，2012年中国学生赴海外留学仍将以美国、
: 加拿大、英国和澳洲为主。
: 报道引述美国国际教育协会刚公布 的《门户开放报告》说，2010至2011学年，在美国
: 留学的中国学生达15万7558人，比上一学年净增约3万人。中国学生赴美留学仍以读硕
: 士或博士研究生为主，占总部48.8%；读大学本科的中国学生占36.5%。但与上学年相比
: ，中国留美本科学生增长幅度达42.7%，远高于研究生15.6%的增幅。
: 中国国家发改委培训中心特聘留学顾问、金东方美国部技术总监张伟用说，美国官方的
: 留学政策持续好转，透露出美国政府持续加强引导中国学生赴美留学的明确态度。
: 此外，中国国内学生家长对国外的高质量教育需求强劲，加上中国政府也在提倡出国留
: 学或引进国外优质教育资源等因素，也给更多的平常百姓出国留学提供了政策支持、经
| c*****n
发帖数: 2433 | 24 我知道!~~也5个包子吗?
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
| V***e
发帖数: 666 | 25 Lure of Chinese Tuition Squeezes Out Asian-American Students
2011-12-28 22:00:00.1 GMT
By Oliver Staley
Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Kwanhyun Park, the 18-year-old son of Korean
immigrants, spent four years at Beverly Hills High School earning the
straight As and high test scores he thought would get him into the
University of California, San Diego. They weren’t enough.
The sought-after school, half a mile from the Pacific Ocean, admitted 1
,460 fewer California residents this year to accept higher-paying students
from out-of-state, many from China.
“I was shocked,” said Park, who also was rejected from four other UC
schools, including the top-ranked campuses in Berkeley and Los Angeles, even
with a 4.0 grade-point average and an SAT score above the UC San Diego
average. “I took it terribly. I felt like I was doing well and I failed.”
The University of California system, rocked by budget cuts, is
enrolling record numbers of out-of-state and international students, who pay
almost twice that of in-state residents. Among those being squeezed out:
high-achieving Asian-Americans, many of them children of immigrants, who for
decades flocked to the state’s elite public colleges to move up the
economic ladder.
In 2009, University of California administrators told the San Diego
campus to reduce its number of in-state freshmen by 500 to about 3,400 and
fill the spots with out-of-state and international students, said Mae Brown,
the school’s admissions director. California residents pay $13,234 in
annual tuition while nonresidents pay $22,878.
12-Fold Surge
As a result, almost 200 freshmen from China enrolled in 2011, up from
16 in 2009, a 12-fold increase. At the same time, the number of Asian-
American Californians enrolled fell 29 percent to 1,230, from 1,723 in 2009.
The 2009 figure is from the UC system’s office because San Diego didn’t
have it available.
While the San Diego campus is accepting more Chinese students, the
decline in Asian-American enrollment may be a result of the total drop in
California resident admissions, and two years’ data doesn’t reflect a
trend, said Christine Clark, a university spokeswoman.
“UC San Diego is committed to admitting and enrolling talented
students from all ethnic and cultural backgrounds,”
Clark said in an e-mailed statement.
Asian-American students fighting to distinguish themselves to college
admissions officers now have to go up against Asians from overseas, said
Casey Chang, a Chinese-American senior at Claremont High School in Claremont
, California, east of Los Angeles. He said he has a 4.7 grade-point average
and is applying to the San Diego campus for a joint undergraduate/medical-
school program.
One in Five
“We’re all competing for the same goal, and the fact that they’re
international makes them that much more interesting to the UCs,” Chang said.
One in five international students nationwide, or 57,000 undergraduates
, came from China in 2010-11, a 43 percent increase over the previous year,
according to the Institute of International Education in Washington.
Colleges are more frequently tapping this pool as the surge in middle-class
incomes in China coincides with steep budget cuts at U.S. state universities.
UC San Diego received $227 million from the state in the
2011-12 academic year, down from $301 million in 2007-08.
Funding for the nine other University of California campuses dropped as well.
Helping to Pay
“The state is not a fully reliable partner in funding anymore,” said
Scott Waugh, the provost at UCLA, where foreign enrollments have quadrupled
since 2009. “If we’re going to give California residents the education
they want and deserve, we need non-Californians to help pay for it.”
UCLA is increasing the size of its student body to accommodate more
nonresidents, said Janina Montero, vice chancellor for student affairs.
Asian-Americans already are being displaced by University of California
admissions policies that give preference to first- generation college
students. The guidelines benefit low-income Latino and African-American
students over middle-income Asian- Americans whose parents went to college,
said Mitchell Chang, an education professor at UCLA.
“When you add this new trend on top of the political shifts, you might
have a double whammy that tends to disadvantage Asian-Americans,” Chang
said.
California students and their parents, Asian-Americans and others, say
they’re fighting an uphill battle to enter schools that were established to
provide them with an affordable education.
‘Taken Away’
Veronica Zavala’s son Brandon is a senior at Diamond Bar High School,
about 30 miles east of Los Angeles. As an A student and the son of taxpayers
and a state employee -- Brandon’s father is a prison guard -- he should be
able to attend a University of California school, she said.
“There’s no reason why someone from another country should come and
take my son’s spot,” Zavala said.
U.S. universities are expanding their ties to China and increasingly
looking to China for financial support. At least a dozen private and public
colleges are opening Chinese campuses with funding from Chinese
municipalities. A Chinese government affiliate has spent millions of dollars
to establish Confucius Institutes for Chinese language and culture at 75
American schools, including UCLA.
UCLA has received Chinese funding for its Confucius Institute since
2007, with the most recent grant of $320,000 for teacher training in
Mandarin and for studying ways to integrate Eastern and Western medicine,
according to the university.
The University of California’s state appropriation has been cut 28
percent -- almost $1 billion -- since 2007-08 and faces a midyear $100
million cut this year.
Enrollment of Chinese and other international students are surging at
state universities across the U.S.
Washington, Michigan State
At the University of Washington in Seattle, the number of in-state
students in the freshman class declined by almost 500 between 2007 and 2011,
even as the school enrolled more total students. The percentage of out-of-
state students surged to 34 percent of the freshman class from 19 percent
over that same period, with more than half from overseas. Almost two-thirds
of the international students are from China.
Washington residents pay $10,346 in tuition and fees while nonresidents
pay $27,830.
At Michigan State University, in East Lansing, Chinese undergraduate
enrollment soared 23-fold in five years, to 2,217 in 2011 from 94 in 2006.
Total international enrollment almost tripled to 3,402 in the period and now
makes up close to 10 percent of undergraduates.
Office in Beijing
Michigan State opened an office in Beijing in 2008 to improve
recruiting efforts, said James Cotter, director of admissions. Student
applications are vetted by the staff in Beijing, he said.
The increase in nonresident students comes as Michigan’s high-school
population is expected to decrease 20 percent over two decades, so local
students aren’t being squeezed out, Cotter said.
Park, who graduated from Beverly Hills High School in June, thinks he
would have been admitted to UC San Diego if it hadn’t reduced the number of
slots for California residents. His combined math and verbal SAT score of
1340 exceeded the university’s average of 1233. His older brother was
admitted to the school in 2009 with lower test scores, Park said.
“It’s kind of unfair,” said Park, who played volleyball and
basketball in high school and took eight advanced placement classes, all
with the aim of getting into an elite university.
While he dreamed of attending Berkeley, his guidance counselor told him that
San Diego was a realistic goal.
“I feel I met the university’s standards to get in,” he said. “I
expected to get in.”
‘13th Grade’
Instead, Park is taking classes at Santa Monica College, a two-year
community college he once mocked as “13th grade.”
He’s reapplying to the UCs this fall as a transfer student.
While it cut in-state freshman enrollment, UC San Diego increased the
number of resident transfer students from California community colleges to 2
,340 from 1,624 over two years, said Brown, the admissions director.
“The University of California has been the major vehicle for social
mobility for the Asian-American community,” said Don Nakanishi, a retired
UCLA professor who ran the school’s Asian American Studies Center for 20
years. The campuses at Berkeley, Los Angeles and San Diego are among the
most selective public colleges in the U.S., admitting less than 40 percent
of all undergraduate applicants.
About 43 percent of all undergraduates at Berkeley are Asian-American,
compared with 16 percent at Harvard University and Yale University and 23
percent at Stanford University.
Nonresident Plans
To boost revenue, the University of California system plans to increase
nonresident enrollment to 10 percent from 6.6 percent of all undergraduates
, said Nathan Brostrom, the University of California’s executive vice
president of business operations. Much of that increase will be at Berkeley,
UCLA and San Diego, the campuses with the greatest appeal to out-of-state
students, he said.
Berkeley enrolled 96 Chinese students in 2010, up from 55 in 2009. In
the same period, the number of Asian-American freshmen who enrolled at
Berkeley dropped 22 percent to 1,116, the lowest since 1995. Enrollment of
white students at Berkeley also fell 29 percent as total admissions of state
residents dropped.
While California and other state universities admit foreign students
for legitimate educational reasons, some may be abdicating their
responsibility to educate their own citizens, said Patrick Callan, president
of the Higher Education Policy Institute.
‘Revenue Chasing’
“At what point is this not diversifying the student population and
just becomes another form of revenue chasing?”
said Callan, who is based in San Jose, California. “We’re in some danger
of simply taking whoever can pay the most.”
At UC San Diego, Chinese students say they are viewed skeptically by
other students who think they’re only there because they pay more, said
Zijin Xiao, 20, a freshman from Shenzhen, China.
“They think ‘The foreign students, they admit some who are not fit,
maybe they’re not good at academics,’” Xiao said. “It makes me upset.”
She and fellow Chinese students say they are comforted by the large
number of their compatriots at the university, which makes the transition to
a new country easier.
Xiaojing Pang, 22, a communications major from Guangdong province who
goes by Celia, said the cost of San Diego’s tuition is a burden, though she
understands the tradeoff.
“I need the education and they need my money,” she said.
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j********[email protected] | j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 26 哈哈 我今早上看到了
可怜的Straight As
1
【在 V***e 的大作中提到】
: Lure of Chinese Tuition Squeezes Out Asian-American Students
: 2011-12-28 22:00:00.1 GMT
: By Oliver Staley
: Dec. 29 (Bloomberg) -- Kwanhyun Park, the 18-year-old son of Korean
: immigrants, spent four years at Beverly Hills High School earning the
: straight As and high test scores he thought would get him into the
: University of California, San Diego. They weren’t enough.
: The sought-after school, half a mile from the Pacific Ocean, admitted 1
: ,460 fewer California residents this year to accept higher-paying students
: from out-of-state, many from China.
| V***e
发帖数: 666 | 27 no
i found out another guy has 4.7 GPA (a good Chang)
meaning 4.0 is nicht so gut. not Straight As
i was wondering about that for a while. not realistic.
【在 j*a 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈 我今早上看到了
: 可怜的Straight As
:
: 1
| V***e
发帖数: 666 | 28 you know the writer wanted you to think that way.
we deal with these every minute of the day.
【在 j*a 的大作中提到】
: 哈哈 我今早上看到了
: 可怜的Straight As
:
: 1
| j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 29 writer想我think什么way？
你deal with什么every minute?
【在 V***e 的大作中提到】
: you know the writer wanted you to think that way.
: we deal with these every minute of the day.
| o******t
发帖数: 4384 | 30 我有个朋友就是在这种高中教书 还真替你问了一下 可是说这个学校很坑人 抽烟吸
毒都混一块儿孩子根本不好好学习 除非来了后赶紧转学或者申请私立高中封闭式的管
理 不然孩子们都毁了
那学校也挺有名的 不难进去 本来想介绍给你的 后来看那个样子 还是算了 介绍
的好受感激 介绍的不好将来落埋怨啊 | | | j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 31 how did u find?
【在 V***e 的大作中提到】
: no
: i found out another guy has 4.7 GPA (a good Chang)
: meaning 4.0 is nicht so gut. not Straight As
: i was wondering about that for a while. not realistic.
| V***e
发帖数: 666 | 32 it's in this same article.
in the last paragraph of the second chapter
【在 j*a 的大作中提到】
: how did u find?
| j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 33 gpa at some schools scales between 0-5, some 0-4?
【在 V***e 的大作中提到】
: it's in this same article.
: in the last paragraph of the second chapter
| V***e
发帖数: 666 | 34 public high schools in the same state?
probably ought to be the same.
【在 j*a 的大作中提到】
: gpa at some schools scales between 0-5, some 0-4?
| j*a
发帖数: 14423 | 35 hmm, does it apply to grading as well, e.g. some schools use a+ some dont
【在 V***e 的大作中提到】
: public high schools in the same state?
: probably ought to be the same.
| e*******c
发帖数: 2133 | 36 有一姐们，在新东方做本科留学咨询的。我可以给您她联系方式。
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: thanks.
| e******l
发帖数: 1416 | 37 上面提供具体信息的ID的包子都发了，谢谢大家提供信息。新年快乐。 | m****s
发帖数: 8992 | 38 谢谢你的50伪币！ 赞慷慨妹妹！！！
新年快乐。
【在 e******l 的大作中提到】
: 上面提供具体信息的ID的包子都发了，谢谢大家提供信息。新年快乐。
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