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W*******g
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我听说红苹果还不错,其他还有什么选择么?谢谢.
f****a
发帖数: 791
2
Rainbow Child Development Center
Tweet
13320 Avery Ave Apt 1B
Flushing, NY 11355
(718) 496-5513
i think is good.back 2 years is too young for the kid
V*****8
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同推荐彩虹,我们在那上了两年了。
i********e
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这么多人推荐彩虹啊? 我朋友就在那里当老师呢
t****5
发帖数: 495
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我朋友在当园长。哈哈

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 i********e 的大作中提到】
: 这么多人推荐彩虹啊? 我朋友就在那里当老师呢
i********e
发帖数: 1488
6
The sisters?? lol

【在 t****5 的大作中提到】
: 我朋友在当园长。哈哈
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

W*******g
发帖数: 1273
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谢谢,我都去看看,再回来汇报。
J***n
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honey pot day care 在beech ave 可以去facebook 上看~很不错~
W*******g
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今天去了康华,感觉很不好.那个中国矮胖老太太是谁啊,好象我欠了她200吊钱似的.我
还事先打了电话去的.
价钱不错,设施看了好象也不错,但是小朋友好多啊,我问教师和学生比例,说有12-15,是
不是会忙不过来?
我下周去彩虹和honey pot day care看看.
真可惜,康华离我上班地方很近的.
V*****8
发帖数: 33122
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我也不喜欢康华,杂乱无章。和红苹果一样一样的。红苹果更可怕,十几还是几十个班
级,进去我就头疼了。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 今天去了康华,感觉很不好.那个中国矮胖老太太是谁啊,好象我欠了她200吊钱似的.我
: 还事先打了电话去的.
: 价钱不错,设施看了好象也不错,但是小朋友好多啊,我问教师和学生比例,说有12-15,是
: 不是会忙不过来?
: 我下周去彩虹和honey pot day care看看.
: 真可惜,康华离我上班地方很近的.

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V*****8
发帖数: 33122
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HONEY POT我也去过,在一撞新大楼里面,但是感觉很压抑,教室在地下室。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 今天去了康华,感觉很不好.那个中国矮胖老太太是谁啊,好象我欠了她200吊钱似的.我
: 还事先打了电话去的.
: 价钱不错,设施看了好象也不错,但是小朋友好多啊,我问教师和学生比例,说有12-15,是
: 不是会忙不过来?
: 我下周去彩虹和honey pot day care看看.
: 真可惜,康华离我上班地方很近的.

m*******y
发帖数: 14292
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干脆我们自己开一个吧
V*****8
发帖数: 33122
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你也有了?

【在 m*******y 的大作中提到】
: 干脆我们自己开一个吧
m*******y
发帖数: 14292
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开一个DAYCARE CO OP 股东的小孩不用交园费 小孩长大了股东还是可以分红
m*******y
发帖数: 14292
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nop, not intereted

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 你也有了?
W*******g
发帖数: 1273
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这样啊,那就算了.我不喜欢地下室

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: HONEY POT我也去过,在一撞新大楼里面,但是感觉很压抑,教室在地下室。
V*****8
发帖数: 33122
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而且当时校长自己的孩子也在里面一个班级,好像是2-3岁班。不过现在应该长大了。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 这样啊,那就算了.我不喜欢地下室
Y*****2
发帖数: 38613
18
才两岁啊,送幼儿园太可怜了。。。

★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我听说红苹果还不错,其他还有什么选择么?谢谢.
V*****8
发帖数: 33122
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两岁小孩需要集体活动了,学习纪律,学校生活,和其他小孩相处,follow
instructions。。。等等,天天呆在家里和一个大人大眼对小眼才可怜。

【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 才两岁啊,送幼儿园太可怜了。。。
:
: ★ 发自iPhone App: ChineseWeb 7.8

Y*****2
发帖数: 38613
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还是看孩子吧
如果是个内向的孩子还是晚送,法拉盛的daycare的老师都怎么样?如果老师不好对孩
子也没好处
你儿子外向的那种早送没关系
Best age for kids to start daycare?
Where I live there is some social pressure to start one's child/toddler at a
daycare/preschool at the age of 2. The preschool/daycare we selected is
considered one of the best and has been around for 30 years, so I know he
will be in good hands. They have a special program, routine set up that
includes independent play, group play, outdoor play and a group meal.
My dilemma: what do you think is the optimal age to place one's toddler/
child in a daycare/preschool setting? Should it matter that 80-90% of his
peers at age of two are already in such a preschool/daycare setting? Will he
be behind socially or emotionally if I wait 3, 6 months-one year?
If I do start him, I would only put him in for 1/2 day and he would take
his afternoon nap at home and If I don't, I would continue to spend most
days with him, except 2-3 afternoons when I teach at a local college or
would try :) to work out. I am anxious for your response.
What a tough dilemma! It's hard when your social circle is all parenting in
a certain way.
From your letter, it sounds to me like your choice is whether to keep your
two year old home with you except for two or three afternoons a week when
you teach, OR to put him in morning care, where he would have lunch there
but would come home to nap. I assume that you would still be gone 2-3
afternoons each week, so on those days he would be in some kind of care for
the full day?
You ask if he will be behind socially or emotionally if you wait. Actually,
emotional development comes from his interaction with you, so he will be
ahead emotionally if you wait. Socially, he will not be behind if you wait
three or six months, or even a year, as long as he has other social
experiences during that time, and it is especially good if those social
experiences include you (more below on this) because your presence
facilitates the development of social skills.
Early school (and two years old is early developmentally) can even be a risk
factor, because it asks so much of kids. We don't see this because we don'
t want to see it, but many two year olds who start school begin compensating
for the stress in other ways -- they regress, they hit their little
siblings, they have bad dreams, they get more clingy.
But school is also sometimes just fine. I actually recommend it if a
sibling is expected, because then it gives the child a world of his own, a
bigger world, so he is not confined to a world where suddenly an interloper
(the baby) dominates and is always at the center. When it is for only three
hours a day, it is stressful but manageable for most kids, so the stakes are
lower than all day. But luckily you have a choice and you can decide based
on what is ideal, rather than what is ok.
Bottom line, it depends on your child. Groups will be stressful for a two
year old no matter what, but some kids are more stressed than others by the
sensory overload, noise, difficulty of making their needs known to
caregivers, competition for toys, necessity of accommodating their own needs
to the schedule, etc. This is NOT a normal state for a two year old. It
is a modern idea that does not necessarily take little ones' needs into
account. We justify it as good for them socially or academically. It is not
actually good academically (more on that below) and it is over-rated
socially (more on that below.)
Many toddlers get overwhelmed and frightened easily in groups, which is why
they lash out aggressively, or get more shy. Sometimes the child holds it
together in the group setting but as soon as the parent appears to pick him
up, he bursts into tears. That means it was very hard for him to be in
school during that time and while he seemed fine to the teachers (in other
words, did not create problems), he actually had a soaring heart rate and
high levels of cortisol and other stress hormones, if we had measured them.
Now that the parent has returned, he is safe to cry and discharge all that
stress. So if your kid is like that, you don't want him in a group without
you there until he is a bit older.
However, if he is easily comfortable in groups, then short periods in a
group will be stimulating for him and he will be able to cope with your
absence. So the bottom line here is your boy's personality. If he is the
kind of person who always asks to see other kids, then maybe the group will
be good for him. If not, then it will probably be bad for him until he is a
bit older.
As I said, some kids will be more stressed than others. One factor is the
child's own sensory processing and temperament, including how much time he
likes alone vs in groups. BUT another factor is whether he feels there is
an adult available to help him navigate this new environment.

Here's what the research shows.
1. The ideal age to start all-day care (meaning approximately 9am-3pm) is
actually not until at least four, if not five, years old. That's because
toddlers and preschoolers who are in preschool all day have heightened
levels of cortisol and other stress hormones by the afternoon. I understand
you are looking at morning care only for most days. We have less research
on that, but we have to assume that even morning care will be somewhat
stressful, building to the measurable stress in the afternoon. Naturally,
the group experience with all that stimulation (and no mom to help him cope)
is stressful compared to being home.
2. Toddlers are not biologically designed to be away from parents for long
periods of time. In tribal situations, two year olds do go off with the
bigger kids for an hour at a time, and they love it. But when they need
refueling, emotionally or physically, they are returned to mom. (Usually
they are still nursing.)
3. What is it they need the mom for at that point? Well, the parents are
their "North Star" around which they orient, their "attachment object."
Other kids are never an appropriate attachment object, which is why
teenagers who orient around the peer group have such a hard time.
4. Can Daycare workers be (substitute) attachment objects? Yes, and in fact
that is the only way that kids can do without us while they are in school.
They temporarily "transfer" their attachment focus from us to the teachers.
However, the attachment relationship they provide is not usually a secure
attachment because of the competing demands for their attention and because
they are not usually "permanent" in the child's life.
5. The prevailing theory about why "school" is hard on little ones is that
they don't have one caregiver who is always responsive to their needs. The
kids who have that (in the form of a caregiver at home) don't have elevated
cortisol. But that is a caregiver at home, one on one with the child. Even
very good "schools" who designate a specific caregiver for three or four
toddlers (and this is rare, the norm for toddlers in the US is more like six
toddlers to one worker) don't have the capacity to have that person be
solely available to your child. What's more, she will inevitably have sick
days or days off, and not be available. But simply sharing her with so many
kids the same age is stressful because she cannot only respond to your
child's needs, whether that would be for a snuggle when he's tired, or to
help him navigate a playground dispute, or to get him a drink when he's
thirsty, or to delay the next scheduled activity because he wants to watch
the worm on the sidewalk.
6. Daycare centers do teach kids, through experience, something about how to
cope socially. However, kids can learn those same skills in playgroups
with mom there. In fact, having mom there to give him language for what's
happening ("You want the truck and Ilan wants the truck. Two kids and one
truck! How can we work this out?") and help him learn ("Ilan has the truck
now, and you will have the truck next. I will help you wait. Do you want
to make a road with the plow while we wait for the truck?" ) is actually
MORE helpful in learning prosocial skills than just throwing him into a
group situation without a designated caregiver. That's sort of a "sink or
swim" approach.
7. Research has shown that Empathy is the most important social skill. The
development of empathy comes from being treated empathically. There is no
way a daycare worker will be able to see things from your child's point of
view as well as you can, or offer the empathy you can. So the most
important social skill -- empathy -- is taught by the parents, not in "
school" group situations. Daycare compromises the learning of empathy.
8. Do kids get something fantastic academically out of the group setting?
No. Having a parent who will stop to watch the worm on the sidewalk, who
will let him move through his day at his own pace, is what makes for high IQ
. Group situations may expose kids to more things than you would, but that
is "sophistication" and is easy to catch up with. It is not actually the
ability to think, which will develop more quickly one on one with you. Now,
there are wonderful learning experiences in school, including Montessori
manipulatives, books, etc. But parents can provide those things at home, or
kid museums, without the downside of the separation.
9. Do toddlers get something socially fantastic out of the group setting?
That depends on the child. I have already spoken about the downsides for
many children. The upside is that some kids LOVE the group experience and
thrive on it for a few hours a day. You will know if your child is one of
these kids because he will crave outings where there will be other kids, and
will navigate them well.
If it were me, I would have my son stay home another year, especially
because he is going to be away from you 2-3 afternoons a week regardless.
But I did not have kids who craved the group experience.
There is one more important issue in your decision. Given that most of his
peers will be in school already, the question is, are there any playgroups
you can join with him, where you will be with him at the playgroup? Even
informal ones at the park? What happens to the other ten percent of kids,
who are not in school? Do their moms take them to playgroups in the park or
"Mommy and Me" classes for music or swimming or anything? Of course, going
to the store or gardening or to the museum or market with you -- these
experiences are not social, but are IQ-expanding and fantastic for him to do
with you. And a weekly trip to the library is wonderful. And if he has
friends come over in the afternoon after they are out of school a few days a
week, that is plenty of social play. You could even think of this as "home
schooling" for this year.
Good luck!,
Dr. Laura

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 两岁小孩需要集体活动了,学习纪律,学校生活,和其他小孩相处,follow
: instructions。。。等等,天天呆在家里和一个大人大眼对小眼才可怜。

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V*****8
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我觉得啊,内向的孩子更要早送,在家里越憋越内向,2岁其实也不算早了,刚刚好的
年龄。
老师很重要的,我们当初在法拉盛彩虹,是我看了不下十家幼儿园决定的,非常热心喜
欢孩子的两个老师,非常好。和家长互动也很多。彩虹的优点是班级少,一共5个还是6
个班级吧,从半岁收到5岁。
红苹果就不行,大杂烩,摊上的那个班级的两个老师也不怎么样,没耐心,就是一份等
下班的工作。

a

【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 还是看孩子吧
: 如果是个内向的孩子还是晚送,法拉盛的daycare的老师都怎么样?如果老师不好对孩
: 子也没好处
: 你儿子外向的那种早送没关系
: Best age for kids to start daycare?
: Where I live there is some social pressure to start one's child/toddler at a
: daycare/preschool at the age of 2. The preschool/daycare we selected is
: considered one of the best and has been around for 30 years, so I know he
: will be in good hands. They have a special program, routine set up that
: includes independent play, group play, outdoor play and a group meal.

W*******g
发帖数: 1273
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我的儿医建议2岁左右送。我家的才15个月,先考察,以备不时之需。
J***n
发帖数: 391
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honey pot 是感觉在地下室~但每间教室都有窗户~
W*******g
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会有地下室的气味吗?

【在 J***n 的大作中提到】
: honey pot 是感觉在地下室~但每间教室都有窗户~
J***n
发帖数: 391
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没有啦~比什么小博士好多了~你可以去看看~自己亲自去看~别人说的再好也没用~找个
负责人的好老师很重要~

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 会有地下室的气味吗?
W*******g
发帖数: 1273
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上班偷出去彩虹看了一眼,看来我要降低对空间spacious的期望值了.
就看了一眼,感觉还不错.唯一就是离地铁站和我上班的地方远啊.但可以7PM之前接.这
是优点.另外这个托儿所是本版多人包括版主推荐的,也算加分吧.
W*******g
发帖数: 1273
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谢谢楼上的推荐honey pot,下一个就去他家了,考察完毕回来报告.
V*****8
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如果彩虹你觉得挤,其他几家,红苹果,新程都可以不用考虑了。还有一家国宝,空间
倒是挺宽敞,但是教室都没窗,我那时候看了觉得也不喜欢。
HONEYPOT比彩虹更远,离你上班的地方肯定更不方便。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 上班偷出去彩虹看了一眼,看来我要降低对空间spacious的期望值了.
: 就看了一眼,感觉还不错.唯一就是离地铁站和我上班的地方远啊.但可以7PM之前接.这
: 是优点.另外这个托儿所是本版多人包括版主推荐的,也算加分吧.

W*******g
发帖数: 1273
29
最近的是康华啊,SIGH!

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 如果彩虹你觉得挤,其他几家,红苹果,新程都可以不用考虑了。还有一家国宝,空间
: 倒是挺宽敞,但是教室都没窗,我那时候看了觉得也不喜欢。
: HONEYPOT比彩虹更远,离你上班的地方肯定更不方便。

V*****8
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康华也不行,和红苹果属于一个阶层的,挤死人了,都要挤怀孕了。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 最近的是康华啊,SIGH!
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l*****z
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看电视里康华那个嘴唇丰厚的老师常常做广告,挺能说,教育理念听上去也挺不错,说
的和做的不一样?

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 最近的是康华啊,SIGH!
i*********e
发帖数: 783
32
good idea. I want to join.

【在 m*******y 的大作中提到】
: 干脆我们自己开一个吧
i**********o
发帖数: 5993
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班级多有问题吗?

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 我也不喜欢康华,杂乱无章。和红苹果一样一样的。红苹果更可怕,十几还是几十个班
: 级,进去我就头疼了。

l*******9
发帖数: 76
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我最近也看了几家,比较了一下。 有家小樱桃,4343 Bowne St,是广东人开的,她说
普通话有广东口音,开了十几年了,ABC的女儿教英文,孩子不多,一共四,五十个,
午饭是自己住的煮的,有另外请美国人来上音乐课, 教室环境一般,没有室外活动,价钱
和HONEYPOT一样,比以下两家便宜。
有家小天使,14627 Beech Ave。美国人老师Ms.B和一中国teacher assistance, Ms.B以
前是小学老师,这是唯一一家当我们走进教室,老师提醒孩子们向我们say Hi,这家午餐
是定的美国餐,教室宽敞,有个小的playground.一共就两个班,2-3,十几个孩子和4岁
preK, Ms.B会帮换尿片,但不diaper training。老板是男的台湾人.
The Little Learning Center,14732 Sanford Ave老板是一女的台湾人,有一
playgound,2-3岁,十几个孩子,中英文老师各一个。午饭是自己住的煮,场地一般。
我觉得HONEYPOT不错,感觉比较professional,就是地下室不喜欢,虽然新,但觉得像
一大间隔了好多小间,diaper training 的孩子在午睡后不穿尿片。
还有一家,140-26 Cherry Ave. 不推荐,感觉像几个中国阿姨看孩子.价格和第一家一样.
W*******g
发帖数: 1273
35
我今天去了HONEY POT,感觉还不错,但也就是觉得场地是一大间隔的,孩子不多,搞笑的
是很多孩子把我误认为他们MS. LI,哈哈.价格说马上会涨到800刀,缺点也是6:30一定要
接走孩子.离我上班地方也远了点.
MM选好地方了么?

【在 l*******9 的大作中提到】
: 我最近也看了几家,比较了一下。 有家小樱桃,4343 Bowne St,是广东人开的,她说
: 普通话有广东口音,开了十几年了,ABC的女儿教英文,孩子不多,一共四,五十个,
: 午饭是自己住的煮的,有另外请美国人来上音乐课, 教室环境一般,没有室外活动,价钱
: 和HONEYPOT一样,比以下两家便宜。
: 有家小天使,14627 Beech Ave。美国人老师Ms.B和一中国teacher assistance, Ms.B以
: 前是小学老师,这是唯一一家当我们走进教室,老师提醒孩子们向我们say Hi,这家午餐
: 是定的美国餐,教室宽敞,有个小的playground.一共就两个班,2-3,十几个孩子和4岁
: preK, Ms.B会帮换尿片,但不diaper training。老板是男的台湾人.
: The Little Learning Center,14732 Sanford Ave老板是一女的台湾人,有一
: playgound,2-3岁,十几个孩子,中英文老师各一个。午饭是自己住的煮,场地一般。

p****a
发帖数: 4829
36
才800刀?我在波士顿都涨到1800了 (bright horizon)。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我今天去了HONEY POT,感觉还不错,但也就是觉得场地是一大间隔的,孩子不多,搞笑的
: 是很多孩子把我误认为他们MS. LI,哈哈.价格说马上会涨到800刀,缺点也是6:30一定要
: 接走孩子.离我上班地方也远了点.
: MM选好地方了么?

V*****8
发帖数: 33122
37
我们纽约就是好,什么都便宜

【在 p****a 的大作中提到】
: 才800刀?我在波士顿都涨到1800了 (bright horizon)。
p****a
发帖数: 4829
38
为什么会这样?有什么原因吗?

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 我们纽约就是好,什么都便宜
V*****8
发帖数: 33122
39
送的都是老中扎堆地方的幼儿园,竞争大资源多
这里也有bright horizon,没问过价钱不过。

【在 p****a 的大作中提到】
: 为什么会这样?有什么原因吗?
p****a
发帖数: 4829
40
为什么老中扎堆的就会便宜很多?为什么老美扎堆的地方就不会便宜?

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 送的都是老中扎堆地方的幼儿园,竞争大资源多
: 这里也有bright horizon,没问过价钱不过。

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V*****8
发帖数: 33122
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这就好像为什么老中超市,餐馆,杂货店,书店,生活用品店。。。的东西都比老美便
宜一样

【在 p****a 的大作中提到】
: 为什么老中扎堆的就会便宜很多?为什么老美扎堆的地方就不会便宜?
p****a
发帖数: 4829
42
恩,好像是这么回事。搞得我也想搬到纽约了

【在 V*****8 的大作中提到】
: 这就好像为什么老中超市,餐馆,杂货店,书店,生活用品店。。。的东西都比老美便
: 宜一样

W*******g
发帖数: 1273
43
我今天去看了法拉盛的红苹果,感觉还行啊,可惜离地铁站近的那家不收俩岁以下的。
价格比新鲜草原那家便宜。
s**a
发帖数: 1995
44
你还在找?
我推荐过森林小丘郭老师。 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/NewYork/32714639.html 有个家长endorse了。后来还有个家长送小孩去了。

【在 W*******g 的大作中提到】
: 我今天去看了法拉盛的红苹果,感觉还行啊,可惜离地铁站近的那家不收俩岁以下的。
: 价格比新鲜草原那家便宜。

W*******g
发帖数: 1273
45
离家远啊,我现在搬到新鲜草原了.上下班经过法拉盛.

【在 s**a 的大作中提到】
: 你还在找?
: 我推荐过森林小丘郭老师。 http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/NewYork/32714639.html 有个家长endorse了。后来还有个家长送小孩去了。

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