D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 1 楼主，请你心平气和听我给你分析。我是3孩子的爹。
1。月嫂的定义和你们的用人习惯注定你无法赢这个官司。具体法官和对方已经说的很
清楚了。
2。你要想赢这个官司，必须否定她是月嫂，证明她是帮你做饭做家务工作8小时的保姆。
3。月嫂不是超人，白天要干活，晚上要带孩子，给她10万都太少，如果她真能做好。
实际上是个人，我们的生物性决定人包括月嫂必须要足够休息。白天你能看到，晚上你
看不到她对你孩子做了什么。安眠药之类是你们逼月嫂喂的。我无法相信你们愚蠢到如
此，把孩子put in risk.
4。你们有博士硕士学位，有最好的医生护士各种养孩子医院课程可以学习，却去相信
一个土老帽月嫂。
5。不仅仅月嫂是个传说，你们吃的各种补药大多对你们身体有害，对婴儿害处更大。
举个例子，NPR那天将联合国卫生组织在柬埔寨做了大规模调查。产妇吃酒酿的孩子智
力发展明显受损。还举个例子，月子里不洗澡的被真菌感染，害己害孩子。
6。不要说美国欧洲人不做月子，日本韩国也早告别这些迷信陋习了。生孩子无论自然
产还是破腹产，都是一个小手术。休息适当运动，一般的饮食多点蛋白质和水就行
了。别的都是多余甚至有害。
7。你们的老公呢？有一种神奇的工具叫做泵奶器。老婆泵奶，老公喂奶。分工合作。
家务外包给保姆或者钟点工饭店。男人和孩子的感情不是天生的，是靠喂奶瓶换尿
布陪睡陪玩培养出来的。让老公参与带孩子，有益家庭健康。想想你不能xxoo，你老公
无所事事，每天上班陪小师妹小秘书。。。你现在知道家版为什么那么多怨妇了吧。
8。如果这个保姆能通过这个事件，把美国的月嫂坐月子陋习给戒除了，那她黑心办了
好事，可以得诺贝尔奖。
Fong | v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 2 美国朋友哺乳期还喝一点酒呢，酒酿都烧开了有个P用。 | Y*****2
发帖数: 38613 | 3 这种想把自己意愿强加在别人身上的sb,不要太多
姆。
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: 楼主，请你心平气和听我给你分析。我是3孩子的爹。
: 1。月嫂的定义和你们的用人习惯注定你无法赢这个官司。具体法官和对方已经说的很
: 清楚了。
: 2。你要想赢这个官司，必须否定她是月嫂，证明她是帮你做饭做家务工作8小时的保姆。
: 3。月嫂不是超人，白天要干活，晚上要带孩子，给她10万都太少，如果她真能做好。
: 实际上是个人，我们的生物性决定人包括月嫂必须要足够休息。白天你能看到，晚上你
: 看不到她对你孩子做了什么。安眠药之类是你们逼月嫂喂的。我无法相信你们愚蠢到如
: 此，把孩子put in risk.
: 4。你们有博士硕士学位，有最好的医生护士各种养孩子医院课程可以学习，却去相信
: 一个土老帽月嫂。
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 4 I can't find the UN funded study broadcasted by NPR.
Here is another one mention don't use rice wine.
http://www.cambodiadaily.com/archives/despite-remarkable-progre
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Wednesday, August 13, 2014
NEWS BUSINESS FEATURES ARCHIVES ABOUT US
Despite Remarkable Progress, Childbirth in Cambodia is Still Too Risky
BY DAVID SHAFTEL AND KUCH NAREN | JUNE 21, 2003
Oum Phoeun knows about birth spacing. She knows about birth control as well.
Her first four pregnancies went off without a hitch, each two to three
years apart and each pregnancy culminating in her delivering with a
traditional birth attendant inside her Kampot provincial home.
Each time she has gone into labor, she said last week from a recovery ward
in the National Reproductive Heath Center in Phnom Penh’s Japanese Hospital
, she took a lot of medicine, like penicillin, and drank a lot of rice wine
after giving birth. And for the first four births, she also “took fire.”
“I had four children and everything was OK, but then for the fifth birth I
selected another traditional midwife, but the new midwife had no skill and I
bled too much. I had pain in my womb and stomach. I felt tired and weak,
and my vision got blurry,” she said. That’s when her husband brought her
to the hospital.
Though Cambodia has made great strides in the last decade with respect to
maternal health, the maternal mortality rate is still among the highest in
the region, with 437 maternal deaths for every 100,000 live births,
according to Ministry of Health statistics. In fact, health officials point
out that Cambodia has more in common with some African nations than Asian
nations when dealing with the risks associated with childbirth.
But the maternal mor-tality rate fails to take into account the even larger
number of women who have complications related to childbirth. That figure
also does not take into account how much more risky childbirth is in the
rural areas of the country.
“Complications can occur without prediction,” says Dr Chhun Long, program
manager for the National Reproductive Health Programme. Post-partum
hemorrhage, infection and obstructed labor are among the most common
childbirth-related complications, says Chhun Long. And HIV/AIDS and unsafe
abortions also fall under the category of pregnancy-related complications.
The UN Population Fund estimates that there are three primary factors making
childbirth in Cambodia risky. First, the birth rate is still too high and
birth spacing is not common enough.
“Contraceptive rate is very low,” said UNFPA Country Director Yoshiko
Zenda. “There is a gap of about 20 to 30 percent [of women] not using
contraception who want to, and there are a lot of unplanned or unwanted
pregnancies. Women should wait 24 months [in between pregnancies, so that
births are three years apart.”
Childbirth is more dangerous for women over 35 and younger than 20 years old
, said Zenda. And, as Oum Phoeun’s case illustrates, the prevalence of
childbirth complications is increased after the fourth pregnancy.
Complicating matters is the fact that the Ministry of Health estimates that
58 percent of pregnant women have anemia or iron deficiency or both, as a
result of bad nutrition. “This is really damaging to the body. When you are
pregnant the amount of blood in the body should increase,” said Zenda
After the fourth pregnancy, said Chhun Long, “the uterus is not very strong
. The shape can change and the positioning of the baby is not normal. So
there is a risk of rupture of the uterus due to obstructed labor.”
Cesarean section and pregnancy interventions “are only where there are
facilities for the operation. In the communities, if there is no facility,
the woman will die,” said Zenda. Currently, access to Cae-sarean sections
is almost negligible, compared to the optimal rate of 4 to 5 percent. Five
to 10 per-cent of women in developed nations give birth by Caesarean section.
A third cause of complications is that, though abortion has been legal in
Cambodia since 1988, operational guidelines were not established until 2002.
Outside of the National Reproductive Health Center, said Zenda, “not a
single person in Cambodia is properly trained in abortions.”
As a result, abortions are often clumsy, and often lead to infection and
hemorrhage.
According to Ministry of Health, 90 percent of Cambodian childbirths occur
in their home. “There is nothing wrong with that,” said Zenda, “as long
as the midwife is skilled.”
The UNFPA estimates that only 39 percent of them give birth with a skilled
health care worker.
While acknowledging that maternal risk is higher in rural areas of the
country, heath care workers from the Reproductive and Child Health Alliance
NGO believe that it is a dearth of properly trained midwives in the
countryside.
This is partly due to the dearth of properly trained heath care
professionals left in the country in the 1980s. As a result, many midwives
were hastened through the system and into health centers.
“Traditional birth attendants just learn from their ancestors from their
mothers and grandmothers,” added Sam Socchea, head of the Safe Motherhood
program at RACHA. She has even heard of women learning their skills in a
dream. Proper midwife training, she said, takes two to three years.
To fill the gap between theory and practical experience, RA-CHA, in
partnership with the Ministry of Health, offers “basic life saving skills”
training to midwives from rural health centers. The training focuses on how
to deal with childbirth-related emergencies such as hemorrhage and infant
resuscitation.
In their workshops, RACHA encourages midwives not to give women rice wine
after childbirth and not to try to force the baby out by applying pressure
to the uterus, said Sam Socchea. And midwives are encouraged not to
participate in “roasting”—a practice whereby the new mother is kept close
to a fire after childbirth—which can lead to in-creased blood pressure and
a higher rate of infection.
The Ministry of Health found that 91 percent of women in rural areas were “
roasted.”
RACHA, in cooperation with the Ministry of Health, is also the only
organization in Cambodia to promote a “voluntary surgical contraception,”
or sterilization, program, offering vasectomies and tubal ligation services.
“That [voluntary surgical contraception] is readily acceptable is
surprising-even to us. Cambodian males are not averse to having a vasectomy,
” said RACHA Pro-gram Manager Richard Sturgis.
Thirty-seven surgeons and 33 midwives and midwives from 11 hospitals have
been trained in the procedures and counseling, which are done on an
outpatient basis. Last year, 1,172 sterilizations were performed, up from
only 57 in 1997, the year of the project’s inception.
The main barrier to more widespread acceptance, said Sturgis, is not the $12
.50 cost of the procedure, but rather the transportation costs to and from
the clinics.
Sterilization might be an option for Oum Phoeun. “I do not want to have
children because it is difficult to give birth,” she said.
Because of the complications associated with childbirth, she is unable to
use birth control pills or an IUD birth control injection. “Maybe after
they control my health,” she said.
And though she has successfully spaced the births of her five children, she
said she and her husband have never used a condom. “I trust my husband,”
she said.
But, she said that when she returns to her home, she will tell her village
chief and her friends about the positive impacts of giving birth in a
hospital. “It is better that way,” she said.
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【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 美国朋友哺乳期还喝一点酒呢，酒酿都烧开了有个P用。
| G*******X
发帖数: 1101 | 5 我觉得楼主说的很对。不能理解为什么到了今天，医学这么发达，相关知识这么容易获
取，仍然有人听月嫂教给你怎么恢复身体跟照顾婴儿（正确的经验就算走运了，好多是
错误的传统），仍然有人迷信月子餐这种根本不能给产妇跟婴儿最佳营养的东西。当然
如果只是为了省事省力，家务跟做饭外包可以理解。 | W********u
发帖数: 58 | 6 这个。。。我觉得楼主说的有点道理呢。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这种想把自己意愿强加在别人身上的sb,不要太多
:
: 姆。
| l*****n
发帖数: 5200 | 7 其实我这次生孩子，真的叫做没做月子。就是开始几天躺床上休息，但也是半夜起来喂
奶换尿布，当然，老公也一起做的，老公做的更多。
白天我也不是一直躺床上的，经常起来看电脑，嘿嘿。一周之后，更加躺的少了。还经
常出门溜达。
没吃什么特别营养的，只是鸡汤之类的没断，不过依旧没奶。鸡汤里面啥都不放的，因
为我不喜欢那些药物的味道。
家里一直有保姆做饭做家务，从我怀孕开始，
个人觉得没必要把生孩子搞的那么夸张，坐月子确实意义不大，休息是必须的，但没必
要那么久，不洗澡的话，直接死人算了。我在医院就想洗澡的，护士好奇怪，你们中国
人不是不洗吗？晕，我不好意思了，只好等两天回家后立马洗了。
不过，这个时候，老公很重要，必须顶事，老公这时候还不管事的，立马踢了。就算他
有钱给我请10个保姆，这种事情，他还是必须亲自来。自己的孩子自己带。 | v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 8 I read it, it discussed the Cambodian maternal death rate, nowhere did it
mention rice wine?
well.
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: I can't find the UN funded study broadcasted by NPR.
: Here is another one mention don't use rice wine.
: http://www.cambodiadaily.com/archives/despite-remarkable-progre
: SUBSCRIBE | ADVERTISE
: The Cambodia Daily
: Wednesday, August 13, 2014
: NEWS BUSINESS FEATURES ARCHIVES ABOUT US
: Despite Remarkable Progress, Childbirth in Cambodia is Still Too Risky
: BY DAVID SHAFTEL AND KUCH NAREN | JUNE 21, 2003
: Oum Phoeun knows about birth spacing. She knows about birth control as well.
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 9 月子餐荤素都有，肉菜饭也都是新鲜的，怎么就不能帮助产妇恢复了？
【在 G*******X 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得楼主说的很对。不能理解为什么到了今天，医学这么发达，相关知识这么容易获
: 取，仍然有人听月嫂教给你怎么恢复身体跟照顾婴儿（正确的经验就算走运了，好多是
: 错误的传统），仍然有人迷信月子餐这种根本不能给产妇跟婴儿最佳营养的东西。当然
: 如果只是为了省事省力，家务跟做饭外包可以理解。
| N****n
发帖数: 4179 | 10 “家里一直有保姆做家务”
【在 l*****n 的大作中提到】
: 其实我这次生孩子，真的叫做没做月子。就是开始几天躺床上休息，但也是半夜起来喂
: 奶换尿布，当然，老公也一起做的，老公做的更多。
: 白天我也不是一直躺床上的，经常起来看电脑，嘿嘿。一周之后，更加躺的少了。还经
: 常出门溜达。
: 没吃什么特别营养的，只是鸡汤之类的没断，不过依旧没奶。鸡汤里面啥都不放的，因
: 为我不喜欢那些药物的味道。
: 家里一直有保姆做饭做家务，从我怀孕开始，
: 个人觉得没必要把生孩子搞的那么夸张，坐月子确实意义不大，休息是必须的，但没必
: 要那么久，不洗澡的话，直接死人算了。我在医院就想洗澡的，护士好奇怪，你们中国
: 人不是不洗吗？晕，我不好意思了，只好等两天回家后立马洗了。
| | | d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 11 感情不做月子的产妇都不吃饭?
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 月子餐荤素都有，肉菜饭也都是新鲜的，怎么就不能帮助产妇恢复了？
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 12 你可以吃点肉补补脑子。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 感情不做月子的产妇都不吃饭?
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 13 看到了，只是说教育助产户不要给产妇米酒。
酒酿烧开了酒精就挥发了，剩下brewer yeast是帮助产奶的。
并不是说酒酿直接影响婴儿智商。
顶多是用酒酿的人得到知识有限，婴儿营养比不上发达国家，有可能的不到最佳发育。
correlation is not causation.
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: I read it, it discussed the Cambodian maternal death rate, nowhere did it
: mention rice wine?
:
: well.
| d********f
发帖数: 43471 | 14 您多久没吃过肉了？还是生下来就没吃过？
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 你可以吃点肉补补脑子。
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 15 穷啊，和您这种吃疯牛大脑长大的没法儿比。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 您多久没吃过肉了？还是生下来就没吃过？
| W********e
发帖数: 124 | 16 这里好些坐月子理论都是从台湾人开的月子中心流传出来的，其实弯弯比大陆同胞更保
守传统。有很多弱智理论，比如不要喝白开水，要喝各种煲汤，因为白开水重，会把肚
子胀大。还有各种药材，什么生化汤，四物汤，都是什么玩意。很多药材里含汞，铅等
重金属，吃下去大人小孩一起受害。
姆。
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: 楼主，请你心平气和听我给你分析。我是3孩子的爹。
: 1。月嫂的定义和你们的用人习惯注定你无法赢这个官司。具体法官和对方已经说的很
: 清楚了。
: 2。你要想赢这个官司，必须否定她是月嫂，证明她是帮你做饭做家务工作8小时的保姆。
: 3。月嫂不是超人，白天要干活，晚上要带孩子，给她10万都太少，如果她真能做好。
: 实际上是个人，我们的生物性决定人包括月嫂必须要足够休息。白天你能看到，晚上你
: 看不到她对你孩子做了什么。安眠药之类是你们逼月嫂喂的。我无法相信你们愚蠢到如
: 此，把孩子put in risk.
: 4。你们有博士硕士学位，有最好的医生护士各种养孩子医院课程可以学习，却去相信
: 一个土老帽月嫂。
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 17 NPR广播的那篇study，就是直接说酒酿对孩子大脑发育的危害的，一下子找不到。
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 看到了，只是说教育助产户不要给产妇米酒。
: 酒酿烧开了酒精就挥发了，剩下brewer yeast是帮助产奶的。
: 并不是说酒酿直接影响婴儿智商。
: 顶多是用酒酿的人得到知识有限，婴儿营养比不上发达国家，有可能的不到最佳发育。
: correlation is not causation.
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 18 所以台湾人得“中草药肾病”的比例很高。
【在 W********e 的大作中提到】
: 这里好些坐月子理论都是从台湾人开的月子中心流传出来的，其实弯弯比大陆同胞更保
: 守传统。有很多弱智理论，比如不要喝白开水，要喝各种煲汤，因为白开水重，会把肚
: 子胀大。还有各种药材，什么生化汤，四物汤，都是什么玩意。很多药材里含汞，铅等
: 重金属，吃下去大人小孩一起受害。
:
: 姆。
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 19 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16713502
Alcohol levels in Chinese lactating mothers after consumption of alcoholic
diet during postpartum "doing-the-month" ritual.
Chien YC1, Liu JF, Huang YJ, Hsu CS, Chao JC.
Author information
Abstract
This study examined the effects of exposure to ethanol through cultural
practices by lactating mothers. Specifically, the pharmacokinetics of
alcohol in Chinese lactating mothers was investigated after they consumed
chicken soup flavored with sesame oil and rice wine (CSSR), a typically
prescribed diet during the postpartum "doing-the-month" period. Experimental
findings were employed to estimate the potential ethanol dose to neonates
and determine associated health risks. Twenty-three lactating mothers were
examined. Informed consent was obtained from each subject. The target
alcohol dosage was 0.3g/kg. Milk and blood samples were collected at fixed
time intervals from each subject following exposure to CSSR, and alcohol
levels were determined. Acute health risks to infants were estimated by
comparing the potential infant dosage to an established criterion dose.
Blood alcohol level peaked at 20 min after exposure to CSSR and decreased
almost linearly thereafter. Alcohol in milk reached a plateau roughly at 20-
40 min after exposure to CSSR and then decreased. Alcohol pharmacokinetics
among subjects varied widely. The coefficients of variation in subject
alcohol concentrations were 16.5-46.2% (mean, 30.0%) for blood and 32.8-57.6
% (mean, 44.4%) for milk. Mean maximal alcohol concentration in blood (30.2+
/-5.0 mg/dl) was achieved at 23.5+/-7.6 min and in milk (31.6+/-10.3 mg/dl)
at 31.7+/-12.7 min. Potential infant doses were 3.0-58.8 mg (mean, 13.4 mg),
and the predicted time required for milk alcohol level to return to zero
level was 175 min. The acute health risks for infants exposed to alcohol
through their mothers' milk under the current exposure scenario are low (
hazard index<0.2). Nursing infants at least 3h after ingesting a diet
containing alcohol would further reduce potential health risks.
又找到一个，risk is low，但是完全没必要有这种risk。
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 看到了，只是说教育助产户不要给产妇米酒。
: 酒酿烧开了酒精就挥发了，剩下brewer yeast是帮助产奶的。
: 并不是说酒酿直接影响婴儿智商。
: 顶多是用酒酿的人得到知识有限，婴儿营养比不上发达国家，有可能的不到最佳发育。
: correlation is not causation.
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 20 就事论事，这个summary 说的是risk = low, 并不是讲述酒酿诱发低智商。
同意没必要有这个风险。但是causation关系需要controlled study, not
observational study.
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16713502
: Alcohol levels in Chinese lactating mothers after consumption of alcoholic
: diet during postpartum "doing-the-month" ritual.
: Chien YC1, Liu JF, Huang YJ, Hsu CS, Chao JC.
: Author information
: Abstract
: This study examined the effects of exposure to ethanol through cultural
: practices by lactating mothers. Specifically, the pharmacokinetics of
: alcohol in Chinese lactating mothers was investigated after they consumed
: chicken soup flavored with sesame oil and rice wine (CSSR), a typically
| | | D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 21 这里面用的样本产妇估计是偶尔吃些酒酿。
我给你看看极端的，不喝水，只喝酒酿的台湾媳妇。
http://taiwanxifu.com/2012/07/30/no-water-after-birth/
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16713502
: Alcohol levels in Chinese lactating mothers after consumption of alcoholic
: diet during postpartum "doing-the-month" ritual.
: Chien YC1, Liu JF, Huang YJ, Hsu CS, Chao JC.
: Author information
: Abstract
: This study examined the effects of exposure to ethanol through cultural
: practices by lactating mothers. Specifically, the pharmacokinetics of
: alcohol in Chinese lactating mothers was investigated after they consumed
: chicken soup flavored with sesame oil and rice wine (CSSR), a typically
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 22 很遗憾我一下子找不到NPR广播的那个UN funded study。
那个就是直接讲酒酿对孩子的危害的。
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 就事论事，这个summary 说的是risk = low, 并不是讲述酒酿诱发低智商。
: 同意没必要有这个风险。但是causation关系需要controlled study, not
: observational study.
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 23 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/18426631
同一个study。
Maternal lactation characteristics after consumption of an alcoholic soup
during the postpartum 'doing-the-month' ritual.
Chien YC1, Huang YJ, Hsu CS, Chao JC, Liu JF.
Author information
Abstract
OBJECTIVE:
The present study examined whether ethanol exposure influences lactation
parameters. Specifically, selected constituents in maternal blood and milk
and the lactation performance of Chinese lactating mothers were evaluated
after they had consumed chicken soup flavoured with sesame oil and rice wine
(CSSR), a diet traditionally prescribed during the postpartum 'doing-the-
month' ritual.
DESIGN:
Twenty-three lactating mothers were examined. Informed consent was obtained
from each subject. Each subject was tested on two occasions separated by a
week. The target alcohol dosage was 0.3 g/kg body weight. Milk and blood
samples were collected prior to consumption of soup and at 120 and 150 min,
respectively, after consumption. Levels of various constituents were
measured. The time for ejection of the first milk droplet and total milk
volume yielded were also measured.
RESULTS:
Consumption of CSSR influenced TAG, insulin and lactate levels in maternal
blood. Likewise, consumption of the soup affected milk composition and its
nutritional status, particularly total protein, TAG, fatty acid, beta-
hydroxybutyrate and lactate levels. CSSR intake significantly affected TAG
and lactate levels in milk. The time for the first milk droplet to be
ejected was significantly longer in the CSSR group, indicating that the milk
-ejecting reflex is inhibited. However, blood prolactin level increased
slightly after ethanol intake. Milk yields were reduced after ingestion of
CSSR although the difference was not statistically significant.
CONCLUSION:
Consumption of CSSR affects not only the composition of maternal blood and
milk, but also lactation performance. These findings suggest that an
alcoholic diet should be avoided during lactation.
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 就事论事，这个summary 说的是risk = low, 并不是讲述酒酿诱发低智商。
: 同意没必要有这个风险。但是causation关系需要controlled study, not
: observational study.
| y*s
发帖数: 2868 | 24 米酒水是把米酒煮沸，等酒精都蒸发出去剩下的水。其实我也觉得这剩下的水怎么就比
普通煮沸的水好呢，也不能理解。
但是你连怎么坐月子都没搞清楚呢，连米酒水和酒酿都分不清实在太让人笑掉大牙了。
。。先了解再批判，不然只有哗众取辱的份。
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: 这里面用的样本产妇估计是偶尔吃些酒酿。
: 我给你看看极端的，不喝水，只喝酒酿的台湾媳妇。
: http://taiwanxifu.com/2012/07/30/no-water-after-birth/
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 25 不仅仅酒精无法全部蒸发，还有别的问题。
你只是想像，人家测量了。
RESULTS:
Consumption of CSSR influenced TAG, insulin and lactate levels in maternal
blood. Likewise, consumption of the soup affected milk composition and its
nutritional status, particularly total protein, TAG, fatty acid, beta-
hydroxybutyrate and lactate levels. CSSR intake significantly affected TAG
and lactate levels in milk. The time for the first milk droplet to be
ejected was significantly longer in the CSSR group, indicating that the milk
-ejecting reflex is inhibited. However, blood prolactin level increased
slightly after ethanol intake. Milk yields were reduced after ingestion of
CSSR although the difference was not statistically significant.
CONCLUSION:
Consumption of CSSR affects not only the composition of maternal blood and
milk, but also lactation performance. These findings suggest that an
alcoholic diet should be avoided during lactation.
【在 y*s 的大作中提到】
: 米酒水是把米酒煮沸，等酒精都蒸发出去剩下的水。其实我也觉得这剩下的水怎么就比
: 普通煮沸的水好呢，也不能理解。
: 但是你连怎么坐月子都没搞清楚呢，连米酒水和酒酿都分不清实在太让人笑掉大牙了。
: 。。先了解再批判，不然只有哗众取辱的份。
| e**********k
发帖数: 427 | 26 唉，坐月子这个事儿真是得看人，有的人生完之后很快就恢复了，活蹦乱跳的，我生完
了以后真是浑身都跟散架了一样，上楼梯腿都是拖着的，抬不起来，所有的关节都疼，
只想躺着 | c********n
发帖数: 967 | 27 re
啤酒有助于提高母乳产量
【在 v******s 的大作中提到】
: 美国朋友哺乳期还喝一点酒呢，酒酿都烧开了有个P用。
| x*****n
发帖数: 458 | 28 我的理解是古代卫生条件不好，所以米酒水更干净卫生。就像以前有的地方的欧洲人只
喝酒一样，因为饮水不干净。所以现代人完全没必要理会这些。洗澡也是同样道理。
【在 y*s 的大作中提到】
: 米酒水是把米酒煮沸，等酒精都蒸发出去剩下的水。其实我也觉得这剩下的水怎么就比
: 普通煮沸的水好呢，也不能理解。
: 但是你连怎么坐月子都没搞清楚呢，连米酒水和酒酿都分不清实在太让人笑掉大牙了。
: 。。先了解再批判，不然只有哗众取辱的份。
| l*****n
发帖数: 5200 | 29 这个是的
我当时也感觉膝盖那里是脱节的，站起来那一下特别辛苦，后来不知道啥时候就好了。
其实就是根据自己情况的，没必要盲从，我是不信什么月子中心的，更不觉得台湾的有
啥高明。
【在 e**********k 的大作中提到】
: 唉，坐月子这个事儿真是得看人，有的人生完之后很快就恢复了，活蹦乱跳的，我生完
: 了以后真是浑身都跟散架了一样，上楼梯腿都是拖着的，抬不起来，所有的关节都疼，
: 只想躺着
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 30 酒酿和酒精是两码事，如果是有害物质，咱也要问什么剂量不是？一个天天喝酒的人和
偶尔来一杯红酒的对孩子的影响肯定不一样。
前面我说过煮沸的酒酿里面酒精挥发的七七八八了，主要是发酵的brewer yeast是下奶
的，在欧洲一些culture里面，还有人喝啤酒下奶（当然不是酗酒那种剂量），也是因
为brewer yeast，如果你多查看各种lactation consultant，就会发现这是很常见的传
统下奶方法之一，其他的下奶东西还有goats rue，fennel seed,，包括加拿大合法的
在美国需要处方的raglan，你说这些草药研究本来不多，究竟有没有负面影响，这么多
年证明影响不大，但是low risk肯定还是有的，起码我的宝宝在我吃了fennel seed以
后放屁很多半夜经常醒，停了以后就好很多。
毕竟不是每个人都是奶牛，如果决定不采取这些old wife tale帮助增加奶量，那么加
奶粉，从nursery water含flouride（最新研究是影响大脑发育）到三鹿奶粉，也都有
各自的风险，到底哪个风险低，也是产妇为了自己的孩子顾虑而需要考虑的，一味批判
某种习俗并不是最好的方式。
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: 很遗憾我一下子找不到NPR广播的那个UN funded study。
: 那个就是直接讲酒酿对孩子的危害的。
| | | v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 31 剩下的水里面有brewer yeast，也有微量的糖，淀粉。
上面的帖子里面讲了brewer yeast，至于为什么粮食发酵以后会好吸收，weston price
本人做过一辈子研究，可以自己wiki一下。
至于为什么只喝水不要剩下的粮食渣渣。。。。因为会BM＋伤口：P
我不爱喝这个也没坐月子，但是我觉得这东西不是100%没道理。
【在 y*s 的大作中提到】
: 米酒水是把米酒煮沸，等酒精都蒸发出去剩下的水。其实我也觉得这剩下的水怎么就比
: 普通煮沸的水好呢，也不能理解。
: 但是你连怎么坐月子都没搞清楚呢，连米酒水和酒酿都分不清实在太让人笑掉大牙了。
: 。。先了解再批判，不然只有哗众取辱的份。
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 32 发酵与粮食营养的找到了：
http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/living-with-phytic-ac
RICE
Brown rice is high in phytates. One reference puts phytate content at 1.6
percent of dry weight, another at 1250 mg per 100 grams dry weight (probably
about 400 mg per 100 grams cooked rice). Soaking brown rice will not
effectively eliminate phytates because brown rice lacks the enzyme phytase;
it thus requires a starter. Nevertheless, even an eight-hour soak will
eliminate some of the phytic acid, reducing the amount in a serving to
something like 300 mg or less.
The ideal preparation of rice would start with home-milling, to remove a
portion of the bran, and then would involve souring at a very warm
temperature (90 degrees F) at least sixteen hours, preferably twenty-four
hours. Using a starter would be ideal (see sidebar recipe). For those with
less time, purchase brown rice in air-tight packages. Soak rice for at least
eight hours in hot water plus a little fresh whey, lemon juice or vinegar.
If you soak in a tightly closed mason jar, the rice will stay warm as it
generates heat. Drain, rinse and cook in broth and butter. | a*********8
发帖数: 5368 | 33 其实认识的很多人,包括我自己,请月嫂就是找个人来全职帮忙伺候舒服罢了.
一个是看新生儿,毕竟有经验一些,而且不用新爸新妈太辛苦.
一个是照顾产妇.毕竟有人一日三餐加上中间的吃吃喝喝都给你做好了端过来顺便老公
的也给做了还是很爽的.
这些请小时工没法比.
其他补还是不补酒酿有效没效仁者见仁智者见智,相信的月嫂不来也会这么搞,不相信的
也不会让月嫂做了. | D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 34 普通保姆就够了。把做饭洗衣等家务做了。
不必月嫂。
孩子夜里自己带，对孩子心理健康也有好处。
【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 其实认识的很多人,包括我自己,请月嫂就是找个人来全职帮忙伺候舒服罢了.
: 一个是看新生儿,毕竟有经验一些,而且不用新爸新妈太辛苦.
: 一个是照顾产妇.毕竟有人一日三餐加上中间的吃吃喝喝都给你做好了端过来顺便老公
: 的也给做了还是很爽的.
: 这些请小时工没法比.
: 其他补还是不补酒酿有效没效仁者见仁智者见智,相信的月嫂不来也会这么搞,不相信的
: 也不会让月嫂做了.
| v******s
发帖数: 6949 | 35 有些人破腹产complication，有的和LG两地，还有乳腺炎，黄疸，别人家情况你不清楚
不要随便下定论。 | a*********8
发帖数: 5368 | 36 普通保姆做一个月的好像很难找啊.而且也便宜不了多少.
孩子夜里自己带还是保姆带这个得看新爸新妈的情况.有人精力好点有人差点.有人C的
恢复慢点,有人家里还有老大,每个人都有自己的情况,不好一刀切.
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: 普通保姆就够了。把做饭洗衣等家务做了。
: 不必月嫂。
: 孩子夜里自己带，对孩子心理健康也有好处。
| D*********n
发帖数: 674 | 37 那就等着月嫂去劳工部搞你呗。
【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 普通保姆做一个月的好像很难找啊.而且也便宜不了多少.
: 孩子夜里自己带还是保姆带这个得看新爸新妈的情况.有人精力好点有人差点.有人C的
: 恢复慢点,有人家里还有老大,每个人都有自己的情况,不好一刀切.
| x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 38 不管lz有没有道理，lz没有“强加”把自己意愿强加在别人身上。实际上在bbs上发表
评论是无法做到强加的。你这种扣帽子和偷换概念反而更为下作。
【在 Y*****2 的大作中提到】
: 这种想把自己意愿强加在别人身上的sb,不要太多
:
: 姆。
| x****k
发帖数: 2932 | 39 joke版大佬回帖就靠扣字眼，也太没水平了。
【在 d********f 的大作中提到】
: 感情不做月子的产妇都不吃饭?
| a*********8
发帖数: 5368 | 40 这个是因噎废食吧? 这事儿要多了,不用您说,大家也不敢请了.
不是我支持月嫂这个行业,我是支持给大家自由选择的环境.
【在 D*********n 的大作中提到】
: 那就等着月嫂去劳工部搞你呗。
| | | h****n
发帖数: 2250 | 41 月子应该做，象避免受风啊，少用眼睛，少长时间站立，是对的，在西医里可以找到解
释。
不洗澡不碰水，是因为古代中国条件不好，不是每家都能有条件取暖的，更没有热自来
水用，于是洗完澡容易招风寒，碰了凉水容易风湿。现代人，完全可以洗澡和用水的。
记得及时擦干净，在身上没全干的时候，别到风口上站着就行。
我在月子里是受过风的。不听话，跑院子里溜达，还是夏天的中午呢，出了点汗，一阵
小风过来，我就感到从上到下麻嗖嗖的感觉，之后手脚僵，就是西医里风湿的那种感觉
，后来花了6个月才恢复过来的，就是仰仗着年轻，比较容易恢复。后来，第二次作月
子，乖了，出了汗要擦干净才敢出门，天气条件不好就不出去了。而且第二次吃了两种
坐月子的中药汤，汤药有明显的活血作用，体力恢复比上一次快多了。
中国的古老习俗，在医疗条件很差的古代，几千年传承下来，是有其中的道理的。我们
不懂其中原理，只是我们没有研究透彻而已。 | h****n
发帖数: 2250 | 42 啊，便宜多了。1／2－1／3价格吧。月嫂要4000／26天吧？
【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 普通保姆做一个月的好像很难找啊.而且也便宜不了多少.
: 孩子夜里自己带还是保姆带这个得看新爸新妈的情况.有人精力好点有人差点.有人C的
: 恢复慢点,有人家里还有老大,每个人都有自己的情况,不好一刀切.
| a*********8
发帖数: 5368 | 43 月嫂一般不是3000/26天么?涨价了又?
我听说保姆2000多啊.朋友1700的根本找不到啊.
【在 h****n 的大作中提到】
: 啊，便宜多了。1／2－1／3价格吧。月嫂要4000／26天吧？
| h****n
发帖数: 2250 | 44 月子中心扯一些乱七八糟的都营销目的，其实靠的就是中医那几剂汤药。我就在中国店
见过那些汤药的的小包装。
还有乳房按摩什么的，直接母乳喂养，就不会堵。
【在 l*****n 的大作中提到】
: 这个是的
: 我当时也感觉膝盖那里是脱节的，站起来那一下特别辛苦，后来不知道啥时候就好了。
: 其实就是根据自己情况的，没必要盲从，我是不信什么月子中心的，更不觉得台湾的有
: 啥高明。
| h****n
发帖数: 2250 | 45 哦，不是。我们好久以前问的，也许不对。不过，我确实记得当时是那个价格，可能现
在降价了？以你自己问的为准啊。
湾区，保姆1400，月子（我们之前问的）4000／26天＋小费，那就是三倍啊。
【在 a*********8 的大作中提到】
: 月嫂一般不是3000/26天么?涨价了又?
: 我听说保姆2000多啊.朋友1700的根本找不到啊.
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