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codehacker (hh) 于 (Tue Aug 23 12:03:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
拿到intel的offer,还没开始上班,想请教intel办绿卡的政策?
thanks!
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codehacker (hh) 于 (Tue Aug 23 12:18:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
我是想知道办理的时程 例如加入后多久开始办理..
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begoing (eryday) 于 (Tue Aug 23 12:51:28 2011, 美东) 提到:
基本上没戏办EB1B，哪怕你有EB1A的背景，你可以自己尝试着办EB1A如果实力够强的话
只能等着办EB2，一般是加入公司两年后开办，再加上排期，估计还得等上个4~5年
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Tue Aug 23 13:15:10 2011, 美东) 提到:
我的排期是开始工作后 9个半月。
485什么时候能交得上本来就不好说。排期到拿到绿卡总共确实等了5年。
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begoing (eryday) 于 (Tue Aug 23 13:22:56 2011, 美东) 提到:
这期间就一直待在intel？大好的青春啊
有没有回过国，签证会被check吗？
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Tue Aug 23 13:51:38 2011, 美东) 提到:
做软件工作，没被查过，而且没多久就有了Advanced Parole。
青春确实是大好啊。:D:D:D
要不是捡了个机会让Intel付学费读MBA，早两三年倒是也可以换工作。
只要先找好下家，不影响绿卡排期的。
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MyDora (家有懒猫－家有小宝万事足) 于 (Tue Aug 23 15:10:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
说到绿卡，这个运气真是重要啊，我当年一个同事在07年大潮时还允许LC carry over
的时候公司赶最后一班车用别人很早的PD给他file了eb2，那时候应该是七月中吧，快
十一月份的某一天他来到我的cubicle神秘兮兮地说他的绿卡好像批了，过了两天就收
到了正式的卡。另外一个同事，05年开始申请，同期的人都收到卡了，而她被卡在了
name check上，等到name check clear的时候排期又不current了，最后到09年底才拿
到卡，然后两个星期之内就换了工作。
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begoing (eryday) 于 (Tue Aug 23 15:41:36 2011, 美东) 提到:
这破玩意，毁人不倦啊
over
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 01:41:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
Intel会一面高调说付学费，一面拿大量的工作压在你身上，都没时间休息还怎莫上学
呀？做软件的女士们有的一有宝宝，就辞职在家了，因为太忙怕吃不消。哪里有“捡的
机会“呦，尤其在Intel，基本上没有天上掉馅饼机会。那真是血淋淋的万恶的资本家
，只想剥削，不讲员工回报。
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Thu Aug 25 02:07:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
我想大家应该都看得出来，阁下当年被 Intel 薄待很菲。
但是也不用每一个 Intel 沾点儿边的话题都站出来忆苦思甜抨击控诉吧？ ^_^
我捡的馅饼也就是一个两年$50K封顶的MBA学费而已，不过不是天上掉下来的，
而是我上四级的主管签字同意（上三级那一周休假，上两级没有那么多钱）。
又刚好赶在金融危机之前，再晚两三个月应该就是不可能了。
顺便一提，有人问起是不是需要签什么合同保证MBA毕业留公司服务多少年。
估计要是中国公司一般就是这么操作的吧。美国/Intel还真没有这样的规矩。
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cormint (cormint) 于 (Thu Aug 25 02:41:01 2011, 美东) 提到:
这么大一个公司，同人不同命的多了，我是见过很轻松，也见过干的灰头土脸愁云满布
的，不能一概而论了。不过你这机会真是不错
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Wooster (George) 于 (Thu Aug 25 09:49:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
我就是比较轻松的。 可能我常常跳组吧，比较不会无聊吧。
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MyDora (家有懒猫－家有小宝万事足) 于 (Thu Aug 25 14:50:27 2011, 美东) 提到:
江湖人称英黑....
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:02:01 2011, 美东) 提到:
恭喜你呀，在Intel只要不在fab可能都好很多。别敏感，没有抨击控诉的意思，只是不
想误导新人尤其是来D1C和D1D的新人，误认为Intel是一个多末好的选择。Intel fab
对工程师都很薄待，所以能跳槽的都跳槽了。做软件的也有，找不到合适的就先在那干
吧，希望新人做选择是考虑周全，尤其是手里有两三个offer的那种。一个人在Intel满
意，并不具有代表性，而在Fab的员工综合满意度是很低的。
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:05:36 2011, 美东) 提到:
确实，如果江湖中有这个评价，一定有原因。当然本人的经历只是再次证实了这一点。
希望新人们不要犯同样的错误。当年俺是拒绝了其他的offer来得Intel,来了之后才知
道：上了贼船了。呵呵
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:09:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
那你还是很幸福的，俺当年Intel内部跳槽都不被group leader批准，重要工段的group
leader可黑了，想抓谁就抓谁进组，跑都跑不了。还打着冠冕堂皇的政治旗号。
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:16:34 2011, 美东) 提到:
我怎么觉得 MyDora 这个"江湖人称"的下文是专指阁下的呢？;-)
还是我中文阅读理解有误？
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:25:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
另外澄清一下，我可没说我在 Intel 满意。
这个“一个人在Intel满意（并不具有代表性）”，是不是另有所指我就不知道了。
^_^
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:47:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
ah,你再Intel也不满意？噻，我以为你不高兴我黑Intel是因为你再Intel高兴。 I
guess nobody is happy there then. The only thing I heard about Intel from
others are complains (including myself). :-) 黑Ｉｎｔｅｌ没商量。呵呵
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 15:49:06 2011, 美东) 提到:
那是因为你认识的人不多，俺一个人可不敢当江湖，太高抬俺了，实在是不敢当。
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Wooster (George) 于 (Thu Aug 25 16:54:18 2011, 美东) 提到:
我的老婆在FAB工作, software automation job。 忙都忙死了。 回家还要on-call。 她的组
里很多人都跳了。 跳一个少一个， 组里又不加人. Hire freeze后又更忙了。 If RCG (recent
college graduate) can't take the stress, not recommend for FAB position.
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Thu Aug 25 17:01:44 2011, 美东) 提到:
另外再澄清一下，我也没说我在 Intel 不满意。
看来不是我的中文能力有问题。:)
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swallowbob (swallowbob) 于 (Thu Aug 25 18:10:34 2011, 美东) 提到:
那个green card policy还是有点变态的。
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fifth (小护士) 于 (Thu Aug 25 19:45:13 2011, 美东) 提到:
Not completely true. You can always send email to lawyer for evaluating
your case after you joined Intel (even one month). I am in Chandler site:
as I know at least 5 Chinese RCG (joined Intel around Sep. 2010) get EB1B
case sponsored by Intel: two have got 140 approved and are waiting for 485.
Of course Intel has high standard bar for sponsoring EB1B compared with
small company. I think it is worth a try.
Based on my experience. I wrote this. Hope it can help other Intel Chinese
guys:
For applying for EB1B at Intel:
You can directly send email to HR people about EB1B application who contact
with you about offer. They will forward your email to right person. So don
’t wait,you can do this after you just join Intel (even one month) As many
of you think Intel will directly contact you, but that will take at least
half year or one year.
First email from lawyer, they will ask your manager the following questions:
Please respond to the three items below:
Is your employee engaged in research at his/her position at Intel? If so,
what percentage of his/her day is spent performing research? If the position
is not 100% research, please indicate what the non-research activities are.
If you manager is not too bad, they will say you are doing research. 51%
research time will be fine.
Second email: (after your manager respond to the first email), lawyer will
ask you to complete and return two files to them for review, and also
including a copy of your latest CV.
Third email: lawyer will let you know whether you are qualified for filing
EB1B case.
Several things I want to clarify after I talked to paralegal:
1. You need meet 2 of the 6 criteria for apply for EB1B (Significant
contribution; publication and citation; review; awards; media; membership) http://www.greencardapply.com/or/or_whatis.htm
Over here, publication and citation is combined as one criteria which Intel
lawyer really care about.
2. Intel standard for EB1B: around 10 paper with 50-75 citation, but it is
case by case. If you have other stronger part which you can claim, I think
50 citation might be ok, like your paper on the cover of the journal.
3. Membership: it is hard to be claimed, but sometimes, they take Sigma Xi.
IEEE senior membership should be no problem.
4. Awards: same as membership, normally student awards and fellowship in
school are not counted. But paralegal told me, sometimes they used students
awards which you won at international conference like XXX graduate student
awards.
5. Review: it is easy one to be improved in a short time. You just need
send email to journal editor or assistant editor for asking review. You
also can ask whether you can be Editorial Board.
6. Significant contribution: it heavily depends on your recommendation
letters.
7. Media: need your name published on the news.
Hope it help.
Good Luck.
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 19:57:26 2011, 美东) 提到:
那你再Intel到底是满意还是不满意？一次说满意，下一次说不满意？难道是没感觉？
在 Png (朝酒晚舞) 的大作中提到: 】
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 19:59:04 2011, 美东) 提到:
Automation在fab里算至少中饭吃饭时间比较长的。呵呵
。 她的组
RCG (recent
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Thu Aug 25 20:21:20 2011, 美东) 提到:
就算是最后一次答复吧。
在下发言一般只陈述事实，不涉及个人喜好。
同时，一律谢绝过往围观人等替本人总结满意与否。^_^
如果真要说有什么感觉的话，就是阁下言谈之中所蕴含的负面情绪过重，
不利于观众（或者阁下本人）的身心健康。
即便是当初事出有因少不更事，成年人讲话还是应该少些偏激，
多点儿有用的，不重复的信息。
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 20:35:06 2011, 美东) 提到:
火气够大的呦。只是一个问题而已，激动成这样。 您对别人总结地少啊，说得你不爱
听，就总结道观众的身心健康了？陈述事实并不是负面情绪，否则，再Intel里面有的
感受了。Good luck.
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 20:51:30 2011, 美东) 提到:
再Intel工作主要得脸皮厚一点（Intel内部叫做have thicker skin), 不能让一个不同
意见（或者一个不喜欢的问题）影响这莫大。太敏感的人不适合Intel.
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 21:42:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
Yes, 这是每一个在fab人每天的生活，“忙死“。有一个忙一个。跳一个就把工作平分
给大家，不加钱，工作时间越来越长。看来亲身经历过的人都有同感。
。 她的组
RCG (recent
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 21:50:29 2011, 美东) 提到:
坦白的讲，你这帖子很有“恼羞成怒”的味道，被put on spot有点不爽。呵呵
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Thu Aug 25 22:06:23 2011, 美东) 提到:
哇赛，由于本人的踊跃发言，好几个新人都有联络我，希望能对新人的选择有所帮助。
如需要帮忙，请将简历发给我。
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boysenberry (estel) 于 (Fri Aug 26 11:32:25 2011, 美东) 提到:
这应该不是最佳的加入话题的时间。但我还是说说自己观察到的吧。
我觉得你是热心人，很多话题/求助你都会帮忙回答。不过，任何intel的问题你是**必定**回答的，且不论楼主询问什么你的回答都非常负面。
我印象最深刻的一次是别人问起intel的分红，你上来抱怨intel把你的钱都扣走了，但是tax deduction是IRS(US 政府）的作为，跟intel半毛钱关系没有，你把这个都怪到intel身上真得很扯。
Intel的research fab是他们的战斗部门，的确压力大事情多，你提醒新人，是做好事，以免他们的落差大将来跟你一样出现强烈的负面情绪。但有时候不能因为自己的经历就一杆子打翻一船人吧。wooster上面也说了，他在intel,工作很轻松，随即又说他太太在fab，比较忙。可你跟br />
wooster第一次发言一样，只挑出他太太的经历大书特书。
只有当png call you out，你才说你讲的是D1D (?)部门，可在此之前你都是代表整个intel发言的呀。。。要知道intel那么大，并不是所有人都进它的research fab。。。也不是所有人都讨厌那样的环境（当然这种人我想不会太多）
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Fri Aug 26 15:40:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
赞观点清晰论述充分。
^_^
必定**回答的，且不论楼主询问什么你的回答都非常负面。
但是tax deduction是IRS(US 政府）的作为，跟intel半毛钱关系没有，你把这个都怪
到intel身上真得很扯。
事，以免他们的落差大将来跟你一样出现强烈的负面情绪。但有时候不能因为自己的经
历就一杆子打翻一船人吧。wooster上面也说了，他在intel,工作很轻松，随即又说他
太太在fab，比较忙。可你跟没看到wooster第一次发言一样，只挑出他太太的经历大书
特书。
个intel发言的呀。。。要知道intel那么大，并不是所有人都进它的research fab。。
。也不是所有人都讨厌那样的环境（当然这种人我想不会太多）
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 16:53:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
Obviously, people see whatever they want to see. I was trying to explain my
personal experiences and try to help others, If you take it this far, it is
your chioce. I am not intersted in arguing and commmenting futher. I
highlighted multiple times, it is all "personal experiences", and it might
not apply to all people. But if you decided to 普遍到所有的情况，it is your
choice.
I am very clear with what is the tax rate is, and what I was trying to say
is based on the salary, it is not worth that much time in Intel. You
misunderstand it. Your comment "你把这个都怪到intel身上真得很扯" is not
valid.
Wooser was trying to say it is true Intel fab is too much, and wooser was
not trying to highlight how great Intel can be. Intel fab is similar,
including Phoenix Fab, even Intel Dalian, there are a few Intel Dalian
employee came to USA, because they are not happy with how fab runs.
You do not understant, you assume things can not be that bad from a normal
person point of view, did you ever see anybody from fab comment here? Never
, because they do not even have time to eat, sleep at this time of the year.
Please do not take it personal. 尊重事实is very important. also please do
not assume the situation you have NEVER been might not be real.
Thanks.
必定**回答的，且不论楼主询问什么你的回答都非常负面。
但是tax deduction是IRS(US 政府）的作为，跟intel半毛钱关系没有，你把这个都怪
到intel身上真得很扯。
事，以免他们的落差大将来跟你一样出现强烈的负面情绪。但有时候不能因为自己的经
历就一杆子打翻一船人吧。wooster上面也说了，他在intel,工作很轻松，随即又说他
太太在fab，比较忙。可你跟没看到wooster第一次发言一样，只挑出他太太的经历大书
特书。
个intel发言的呀。。。要知道intel那么大，并不是所有人都进它的research fab。。
。也不是所有人都讨厌那样的环境（当然这种人我想不会太多）
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 17:13:17 2011, 美东) 提到:
By the way , your comment "也不是所有人都讨厌那样的环境（当然这种人我想不会
太多)" show you still do not understand how Intel do things. You are making
the comment from a normal environment point of view. I would recomment you
to try Intel, then you will see if you will have the same comment after
working in Intel fab for 6 month.
Let's stop this auguement. Nobody can comment anything if you have NOT been
in the same shoes. It has nothing to do with "positive" or "Negative". My
intenition is to help new comer, based on the emails I have recevied for
now, it seems lots of people have been paying attention to my comments.
Whether or not Intel is a great place to be, I think new comers will go
through interview process, asking questions and made up their own mind.
Current situation is Intel has been hiring lot of RCG for fab (you can
imagine what happened to the old process engineers :-)), the hiring process
is slowing down lately.That is why lots of people is not getting interview
opportunies, but still some does. If there is anyone who is looking for jobs
, you can send your resume to my emails. I will forward it along.
Thanks
必定**回答的，且不论楼主询问什么你的回答都非常负面。
但是tax deduction是IRS(US 政府）的作为，跟intel半毛钱关系没有，你把这个都怪
到intel身上真得很扯。
事，以免他们的落差大将来跟你一样出现强烈的负面情绪。但有时候不能因为自己的经
历就一杆子打翻一船人吧。wooster上面也说了，他在intel,工作很轻松，随即又说他
太太在fab，比较忙。可你跟没看到wooster第一次发言一样，只挑出他太太的经历大书
特书。
个intel发言的呀。。。要知道intel那么大，并不是所有人都进它的research fab。。
。也不是所有人都讨厌那样的环境（当然这种人我想不会太多）
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 17:42:03 2011, 美东) 提到:
I know a few folks quit from Intel while I was in school, I was wondering "
why????", when people told me how busy and stresful Intel was while I was in
School, I was thinking "that is because you are not good enough, you are
not strong. Things happen for a reason, you might be the problem". Now I
know, how Naive I was. My experience taught me never to comment on a
situation you have never been in. because it might be out of your limits to
imagin.
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boysenberry (estel) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:10:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
You continue to emphasize that you are speaking from PERSONAL experiences, so where have you worked? Intel D1D/D1C? Do you specify that when you give out recommendations?
I just checked your previous comments to make sure I am being objective here:
When someone was asking about "quality and reliability" http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Oregon/31202393.html, your first response was pretty standard as in Intel fab sucks etc (which, if you read my comment carefully, I did NOT disagree with you that
l research fab is a hectic place.....and note, he WASN'T asking about Intel fab........). You go on to say
"Just like Intel only talk about sexual hassement, any other kind of
harrassment consider it normal and acceptable in Intel."
-- Does your personal experience justify this sort of blanket statement?
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And here http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Oregon/31198339.html
The first thing you write is
"Not recommended. MS salary is too low, if you complete PHD asap, the salary will be at least 25K more anuualy (base salary). Also Intel is too busy and stress out for study/work in parallel. I wouldn't do that if I were you.....People usually couldn
agine how bad it can be when you work full time, especially in Intel, no personal time at all. You will be lucky if you can have weekends off...."
--After someone retorted that they have a good life despite of working at Intel, you once again launch an attack on Intel PTD, which is understandable if you are treated that badly. It is just funny though that you assume everybody who come to work
ntel will be in the fab, and everyone in the fab will hate it as much as you....p.s. I just now remembered that this
post is where I first started noticing your replying trend...
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Intel太辛苦了，军队作风很浓，上下级级别很明显，没有什末life work balance，项目压力非常大，而且这边Intel的薪水也不高，于你现在的生活相比，intel的工作不值得，而且你现在的工作心情应该还好，到intel来的，就没什末开心的的时候，因为整天都在那绞尽脑汁想工作br />
了，建议先打听清楚再作决定，免得后悔。有不少人来了之后，都后悔了。。。因为钱没多挣，私人时间都没了，。。。得不偿失。
--Again, anybody can contrast your response with other people's， for
example conan62.
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看来再Intel上班的几位没上线啊。再Intel上班，就不要讲work life balance，因为再Intel上班几乎没什末life，加班是常有的事情，大部分人都加班.
-- See below
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Intel的同志们很少上线，太忙了，不是加班，就是还在班上，上线也就是匆忙看一下，就下线了，好不容易有点时间，赶快休息一下，在这网上常灌水的大多数不是Intel的同志。大多数情况下，看着Intel的朋友5：30pm之后还去上班，真是太辛苦了。
--You don't even bother to change your 台词
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哎，投啥诉啊，看情况不妙，赶快撤，别浪费时间，Intel是强盗原则，HR也是向着公司的，没注意Intel讲Harassement时，是只讲sexual harassment，除此之外的harassment是视为正常的，在这种情况下，投诉还要讲证据，可不是凭张嘴就行，而且，一旦投诉，估计会被老板穿小鞋
al review时候找麻烦，明明做得不错，老板非鸡蛋里挑骨头，一句话，能忍就忍，忍不了就撤，胳膊拧不过大腿。Intel就culture就那样，投诉解决不了问题。否则，大家都整天忙着投诉了。
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Intel do not match 401K, you do not need to pay 401K at all if
consideringmoving back to China. Don't worry about Intel to find it out, Intel do not care about individuals.
--This guy wasn't even going to work for Intel. He did agree with you about the evilness of Intel though
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It is the same for everone, after tax, it is only half of what it is. Bonus tax is higher than regular salary and also the amount is not guranteed, that is why Intel prefer to pay bonus instead of increasing the base salary.
I filled tax return through professional agency, and for the Intel salary, still need to pay large amount of tax at the end of year.
--Here is the post I was referring to. A lot of your complaint revolved around your bonus was being taxed at 50%, and thus you felt lousy about working in Intel. But in reality, it was U.S. taking your money, and your bonus is not really being taxe
50%, to which you responded:
"I am not interested in who is right and who is wrong in tax return,
The point is "Is Intel really paying more than the other company?". Based on my personal experience, it is "no". However, it is just my personal opion."
Although you professed disinterest, you immediately followed with another comment:
"then how can everyone got the same tax for EB (~50%)? Anyway, I think we are leading the conversatition to the wrong way. :-)"
--Yes, you felt you weren't well compensated for your efforts, but you seem to direct even the anger of having to pay income tax toward Intel. This was very strange to me
As for your accusations, except for the fact I don't work in Intel fab, I know perfectly well what you are talking about (referring to the research lab) but that you tend to be very extreme and over-generalize. I am not lying when I say I know peopl
actually enjoy it, and the research lab for sure is the busiest department to work in, leaving little time for family life. Other groups at Intel, including the production fabs, no matter what you say, are NOT like that.
my
is
your
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:14:17 2011, 美东) 提到:
Those are the "FACTs". Thanks
give
here:
tel research fab is a hectic place.....and note, he WASN'T asking about Intel fab........). You go on to say
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:16:04 2011, 美东) 提到:
Once again, all my previous comments are facts. No further comments.
Arguement do not help anyone, also I do not have time to contine this type
of arguement. Thanks
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boysenberry (estel) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:22:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
Finally, I wish you well.
You have escaped Intel, appear to work at a much better company, and enjoy life more in general including having time here on BBS to reply to every Intel-related thread. Hope you don't let your hatred of Intel leave any long-lasting bitterness in yo
art. After all, a company is not sentient being, it is made up of real people. Some tortured you, and I am sorry that you had to endure that, but it doesn't mean all the rest of the engineers/managers there deserved to be demonized.
And I really hope you don't hate me for what I wrote here. Frankly, I have difficulty imagining how someone will expand their hatred of one Intel site (not even a site, just a campus) to the entire global company. Your emotions frighten me a bit.
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:34:00 2011, 美东) 提到:
早些时候我还在琢磨呢，boysenberry的见解会不会也享受到“不恼羞成怒”的待遇。
现在谜底揭晓了。:) 同样的先后三联贴回复针对同一次发言，看来这是人家的风格。
再赞 boysenberry 调查考古细致入微长篇举例。
不过还是提醒一下，常言说得好，网上论战犹如参加特殊奥运会，不如还是作罢了事。
必定**回答的，且不论楼主询问什么你的回答都非常负面。
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:45:11 2011, 美东) 提到:
I do not hate Intel as a company, I hate Intel culture, not the people.
Intel culture is taking advantage of young RCG because they are lack of
experiences. Because of Intel culture, people across difference fabs are
doing the same thing-looking for a way out. People consider me as a very
strong person, even my group leader at Intel consider me very bright and
strong, but I know how naive I was when it comes to Intel situation.
oh yes, I love my new job. I make the same salary but work 50% less. I will
have positive feedbacks if that is the truth, but for Intel, I have nothing
to say.
life more in general including having time here on BBS to reply to every
Intel-related thread. Hope you don't let your hatred of Intel leave any
long-lasting bitterness in your heart. After all, a company is not sentient
being, it is made up of real people. Some tortured you, and I am sorry
that you had to endure that, but it doesn't mean all the rest of the
engineers/managers there deserved to be demonized.
have difficulty imagining how someone will expand their hatred of one Intel
site (not even a site, just a campus) to the entire global company. Your
emotions frighten me a bit.
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:52:31 2011, 美东) 提到:
You are just looking for a partner to 扔砖头，但是人家也不傻，犯得着跟你这一
应一和的吗？人家没再Intel做过，情有可原，你再Intel工作也不说实话， 一次满意
，一次不满意的，其实说穿了，是因为我对Intel的评价让你没有面子而已，看着不顺
眼。没必要这末personal. That is it.
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boysenberry (estel) 于 (Fri Aug 26 18:57:21 2011, 美东) 提到:
to PNG:
I don't like arguing :) Just putting in my two cents on what I observed. Maybe I am too serious for my own good :P
to OnceUponATim:
You are making some wrong assumptions about me. Please trust me when I say I know what I am talking about.
Regarding the RCG part, I think Intel really values loyalty, which is why they like to hire RCG. Of course the side effect of that is RCGs are more malleable and compliant (no one has confirmed my opinion yet)
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 19:02:49 2011, 美东) 提到:
The reason Intel only hire RCG is because that is the only chance Intel has
to brain wash them to believe in Intel culture, to belive in live to work.
For the rest of the people with experiences, we belive work to live. Life
and happiness and health are the most important thing.
I do not mind your comment at all, people have freedom to speak out, even
though it might be a different opion. As soon as it is from a good intention
.
Maybe I am too serious for my own good :P
say I know what I am talking about.
they like to hire RCG. Of course the side effect of that is RCGs are more
malleable and compliant (no one has confirmed my opinion yet)
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Png (朝酒晚舞) 于 (Fri Aug 26 19:28:09 2011, 美东) 提到:
It IS sad that an RCG can be traumatized by Intel experience like this.
Although it's understandable that some RCGs are more prepared mentally as
well as psychologically than the others.
Don't worry about my 面子. It's not something that your comments can take
away, or impact at all. ^_^
And please do not try to speak on behalf of all the "rest of people with
experiences". I don't think you are really qualified to represent such a
crowd.
For starters, your experience so far only allows you to see it as a 1-in-2
choice, either "live to work", or "work to live".
Only after overcoming your current internal impediment, then you might be
able to realize, it's all about choices of "life", and "how to live". The
word of "work" should NOT carry any weight in living your own life, unless
you want/choose to.
Meanwhile, life can be too complicated to summarize something as either black or white,
either satisfied or unsatisfied. There are much more details in everyone's personal
opinion.
More importantly, most people really don't care about my (or other people's) "personal
opinion", which is also why I tried not to offer any. But that wouldn't prevent
other people from volunteering their opinions anyway. ;-)
I guess the reasoning is, "If I can save one more RCG by repeating my
experience/opinion, then I am good". ^_^
It might be too much to hope for, that a traumatized person can put behind the
shadow from the past, without professional help.
Not that I care, of course. ;-)
has
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 19:44:50 2011, 美东) 提到:
Again, no time to read your comments and aruge. back to work. Thanks
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 20:24:08 2011, 美东) 提到:
Well, before I am leaving from work, eventhoug I haven't get a chance to
read your comments yet, but your previous comment show you are kind of
representing Intel culture in someway: very mean verbally, alway "who cares"
, that is exactly part of the Intel culture, nobody cares about anybody,
when people have a chance, they will back stap you, isn't that what you are
doing now? Intel folks expecially the ones working there for a long time can
insult others without saying dirty words, isn't that is what you are doing
too?
I am having a happy life, and everything is behind me already, I just want
to help new comer to see what are the optios they will have, and what kind
of life they can choose. You really do not need to care about my comments
that much, because it is none of your business. It does not apply to you.
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BearAffair (别怕) 于 (Fri Aug 26 21:54:17 2011, 美东) 提到:
不过是intel给他付了50k的学费罢了
人家有理由感激涕零
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 22:11:36 2011, 美东) 提到:
完全同意。50K 看来可以买到忠心(不管别人多莫水深火热）。值了
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BearAffair (别怕) 于 (Fri Aug 26 22:16:04 2011, 美东) 提到:
也是少数。拿了几十万sign on bonus的，该走也走，该说也说
这么忠心耿耿，这么为intel着想，这么感激涕零的，这么对中国企业苦大仇深的，肯定
是intel的干将啊，哈哈
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 22:37:57 2011, 美东) 提到:
确实，很少见一个成年人如此，该说不敢说：一会满意，一会又不满意的。该走估计也
不想走，感激涕零的，就为这$50K?. 见过钱吗？实话实说有这末难吗？
肯定
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BearAffair (别怕) 于 (Fri Aug 26 22:57:02 2011, 美东) 提到:
不是不敢说，人家这是MBA教育出来的欲盖弥彰，看什么人说什么话
有的是不想走，有的是不能走，有的是不敢走
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Fri Aug 26 23:11:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
有道理。所以还是向俺拍板转练练。呵呵，再Intel不想走的人很少，大多数是不能走
或不敢走，有一些人已经被Intel brain wash到认为这个世界除了Intel那也去不了的
地步。afraid of change. 其实世界很大, the world outside of Intel is
beautify and enjoyable。 Ｓｐｅｎｄ ｍｏｓｔ ｏｆ ｔｈｅ ｔｉｍｅ ｔｏ
ｈａｖｅ ｆｕｎ ｏｔｈｅｒ ｔｈａｎ ｗｏｒｋｉｎｇ．
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Mystics (心有灵犀) 于 (Sat Aug 27 18:57:13 2011, 美东) 提到:
你们还真没完了。我在不止一个公司呆过，我就相对挺喜欢intel的，没有公司是完美
的。
如果你找到了，恭喜你。Intel忙是忙点，可是我觉
得挺好玩的。也学了很多东西。我认识的这么多intel的，想走的挺少的。也许还是和
你的部门不一样。
我其实一直不是很喜欢你说话这么negative，不过觉得跟我无关。不过PnG是我的朋友，
他比我还不喜欢Intel，还被你们揪住。。。真是的。。
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Mystics (心有灵犀) 于 (Sat Aug 27 19:00:32 2011, 美东) 提到:
BTW, intel也没给我付学费，也没给我sign on bonus。I just appreciate
the opportunity and flexibility Intel give me so I can work
on the ideas I am interested in...
我也不喜欢intel的一些culture, politics等等，可是没有地方是完美的，有人
的地方就有江湖。有时候也得适应一下不是。。
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Sat Aug 27 22:04:48 2011, 美东) 提到:
We have wasted enough time on this topic. Your comment show you still don't
understant what was the problem. We were discussing Intel FAB, not other
positions. If you do not have time to eat, to sleep, have to work at least
80 hrs per weeks, then you can comment. Obviously, you still have the
flexibility, so you do not work at FAB.
Let's stop this arguement, PnG just got what he was asking for. People can
speak out as soon as it doesn't hurt others, no need to be mean verbally.
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Sat Aug 27 22:15:05 2011, 美东) 提到:
If anyone do not like my comments, please just skip it, How difficult it is
just to ingore my comments? Just do not engagement the conversation. Do not
turn the conversation from Intel Fab to something so personal.各抒己见，求同
存异。
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Mystics (心有灵犀) 于 (Sun Aug 28 01:13:52 2011, 美东) 提到:
"Intel会一面高调说付学费，一面拿大量的工作压在你身上，都没时间休息还怎莫上学
呀？做软件的女士们有的一有宝宝，就辞职在家了，因为太忙怕吃不消。哪里有“捡的
机会“呦，尤其在Intel，基本上没有天上掉馅饼机会。那真是血淋淋的万恶的资本家
，只想剥削，不讲员工回报。"
这是你的原话，那一句提到FAB了？Intel我认识这么多女士，FAB and non-FAB,
没有一个人因为生小孩辞职的. In fact 我在Intel刚上班就休产假生小朋友，
老板同事都很照顾。我很appreciate。
我相信一定有的group不是这样的。不过请你以后实事求是，不要把intel全部打到。
我想这也是PnG的意思而已。
t
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Sun Aug 28 01:32:12 2011, 美东) 提到:
各抒己见，求同存异，看不懂啊？
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Mystics (心有灵犀) 于 (Sun Aug 28 01:38:19 2011, 美东) 提到:
我ignore你的comments很久了，直到你pick on PnG. 你自己可以回头看一下
你讲PnG那些话有没有做到“各抒己见，求同存异”。
//不要回去删贴。。。 ：）
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OnceUponATim (OnceUponATimeinMexico) 于 (Sun Aug 28 01:44:14 2011, 美东) 提到:
PnG was trying to pick on me first, then he got what he was asking for. PnG
先拍得板砖，you don't have to play being the victim for him. Who are you? |
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