k**e
发帖数: 2728 | 1 CAMP USA Alpina Axe:
55% off... 好像不错？ |
c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 2 not for you
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: CAMP USA Alpina Axe:
: 55% off... 好像不错？
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 3 你确定多长的适合你吗？这个的确便宜。
sac上很多东西都不便宜。
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: CAMP USA Alpina Axe:
: 55% off... 好像不错？
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k**e
发帖数: 2728 | 4 万一爬山的时候有冰雪，可不就用上了？
当然现在貌似永不到。
那谁，expo你说sac上的东西不便宜？？？哪里的便宜？？？？？我要去看！
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: not for you
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 5 统计来说sac的东西，你到google shopping上搜。80%都不是最低价。
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 万一爬山的时候有冰雪，可不就用上了？
: 当然现在貌似永不到。
: 那谁，expo你说sac上的东西不便宜？？？哪里的便宜？？？？？我要去看！
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 6 alpina is a (slightly) technical axe rather than a general purpose
mountaineering axe. plus, if you don't know how to use an axe, don't bring
one. otherwise, it'll just do more harm than help. when you encouner
terrains where you need an ice axe, just turn around.
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 万一爬山的时候有冰雪，可不就用上了？
: 当然现在貌似永不到。
: 那谁，expo你说sac上的东西不便宜？？？哪里的便宜？？？？？我要去看！
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 7 not sure how big a sample you did the stats on, but 80% is definitely not
the impression I got.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: 统计来说sac的东西，你到google shopping上搜。80%都不是最低价。
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 8 你的感觉是多少？
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: not sure how big a sample you did the stats on, but 80% is definitely not
: the impression I got.
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 9 well, I kinda feel it's lowest price most of the time, but then I only paid
attention to the stuff I am interested in though.
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: 你的感觉是多少？
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k**e
发帖数: 2728 | 10 我查了一下长度，刚好有适合我的size。
饼干桶，早晚我都得用得到的。不过不是现在就是了。当然现在我也不会买。:D
那谁 expo，我怎么觉得sac上要是卖到55% off或者更多的，就是特好的deal了呀。当
然仅仅是50%，我一般都不看不买的。买的一般都是起码60%OFF。。。 |
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 11 You won't need such an axe before you do alpine ice climbing
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 我查了一下长度，刚好有适合我的size。
: 饼干桶，早晚我都得用得到的。不过不是现在就是了。当然现在我也不会买。:D
: 那谁 expo，我怎么觉得sac上要是卖到55% off或者更多的，就是特好的deal了呀。当
: 然仅仅是50%，我一般都不看不买的。买的一般都是起码60%OFF。。。
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 12 一般卖的都是处理的，或者旧款，积压的。
别的网站也是打折处理，差不多的价格。
特别是某些东西反复出现。
真正好的出现几秒钟就光了。
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 我查了一下长度，刚好有适合我的size。
: 饼干桶，早晚我都得用得到的。不过不是现在就是了。当然现在我也不会买。:D
: 那谁 expo，我怎么觉得sac上要是卖到55% off或者更多的，就是特好的deal了呀。当
: 然仅仅是50%，我一般都不看不买的。买的一般都是起码60%OFF。。。
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s****t
发帖数: 746 | 13 这个不是regular ice axe，是攀冰用的，
你等到将来真要攀冰了再说好了。
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 我查了一下长度，刚好有适合我的size。
: 饼干桶，早晚我都得用得到的。不过不是现在就是了。当然现在我也不会买。:D
: 那谁 expo，我怎么觉得sac上要是卖到55% off或者更多的，就是特好的deal了呀。当
: 然仅仅是50%，我一般都不看不买的。买的一般都是起码60%OFF。。。
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 14 几乎所有东西都是反复出现，直到卖完了。旧款是肯定的。新出来的东西干嘛要卖那么
便宜呢
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: 一般卖的都是处理的，或者旧款，积压的。
: 别的网站也是打折处理，差不多的价格。
: 特别是某些东西反复出现。
: 真正好的出现几秒钟就光了。
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k**e
发帖数: 2728 | 15 旧的也够用了。。。。
先折腾折腾旧的入门再说。恩！
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: 几乎所有东西都是反复出现，直到卖完了。旧款是肯定的。新出来的东西干嘛要卖那么
: 便宜呢
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 16 A B-rated ice axe will go a long way before you need a T-rated.
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 我查了一下长度，刚好有适合我的size。
: 饼干桶，早晚我都得用得到的。不过不是现在就是了。当然现在我也不会买。:D
: 那谁 expo，我怎么觉得sac上要是卖到55% off或者更多的，就是特好的deal了呀。当
: 然仅仅是50%，我一般都不看不买的。买的一般都是起码60%OFF。。。
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k**e
发帖数: 2728 | 17 先科普一下b-rated和t-rated的区别把。。。
这两个周末，我想沿着太平洋海滩backpacking个10麦啥的，到附近海滩上的一个露营
点扎营，第二天再开车回家。赫赫
赫赫。。。
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: A B-rated ice axe will go a long way before you need a T-rated.
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 18 http://iceaxes.net/buying-a-mountaineering-ice-axe/
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 先科普一下b-rated和t-rated的区别把。。。
: 这两个周末，我想沿着太平洋海滩backpacking个10麦啥的，到附近海滩上的一个露营
: 点扎营，第二天再开车回家。赫赫
: 赫赫。。。
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y*****y
发帖数: 3433 | 19 Do not buy anything you do not know.
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 万一爬山的时候有冰雪，可不就用上了？
: 当然现在貌似永不到。
: 那谁，expo你说sac上的东西不便宜？？？哪里的便宜？？？？？我要去看！
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 20 贵。搞个半价的Raven或Raven Pro就够用了
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: CAMP USA Alpina Axe:
: 55% off... 好像不错？
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 21 谁要是看到有Nomic或Quark的deal告诉我 |
q***z
发帖数: 554 | 22 After recommending a few friends to buy this model solely based on price, (i
use a BD Raven Pro, a friend uses a Petzl) they all regreted not spending the extra cash to get a quality axe after a recent trip to Mt. Washington in NH.
The weight, fit and finish, grip, quality of the axe spike and picks are for superior for the European brands (Italian brands) then this USA camp model. You will notice when you are throwing the axe into the steep icy & rocky terrain.
You get what you paid for, if you |
s***y
发帖数: 7034 | 23 嗯，很多时候我们新手的问题就是不知道自己不知道。。比如ice axe听多了，就认为
自己需要，就认为随便买一个都是一样的。。楼主还需要继续在版上蹲蹲，至少把FAQ
里的相关文章再读读。。共勉共勉。。
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: Do not buy anything you do not know.
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y*****y
发帖数: 3433 | 24 A BD Raven Pro is well worth the extra money. It is lighter and you will
appreciate that we you need to carry lots of stuff.
the pick and spike protector for sale which are also recommended buy.
【在 q***z 的大作中提到】
: After recommending a few friends to buy this model solely based on price, (i
: use a BD Raven Pro, a friend uses a Petzl) they all regreted not spending the extra cash to get a quality axe after a recent trip to Mt. Washington in NH.
: The weight, fit and finish, grip, quality of the axe spike and picks are for superior for the European brands (Italian brands) then this USA camp model. You will notice when you are throwing the axe into the steep icy & rocky terrain.
: You get what you paid for, if you
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s***y
发帖数: 7034 | 25 强的，准备一个人？
年轻就是好啊，我现在虽然仍觉逛城市逛博物馆一个人挺好，野外还是prefre 1－3人
为伴。。：）
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 先科普一下b-rated和t-rated的区别把。。。
: 这两个周末，我想沿着太平洋海滩backpacking个10麦啥的，到附近海滩上的一个露营
: 点扎营，第二天再开车回家。赫赫
: 赫赫。。。
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s***y
发帖数: 7034 | 26 而且最好是09版以后anodised aluminium 表面的，那叫一个漂亮，看着俺那08版的特
后悔省那几个钱。。。
／／飞速run
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: A BD Raven Pro is well worth the extra money. It is lighter and you will
: appreciate that we you need to carry lots of stuff.
:
: the pick and spike protector for sale which are also recommended buy.
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p**********t
发帖数: 2636 | 27 zd talked me into buying a raven instead of a pro. His main reason is when
you need the axe to climb out of a cravese, slightly heavier axe does the
job better.
Just for reference.
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: A BD Raven Pro is well worth the extra money. It is lighter and you will
: appreciate that we you need to carry lots of stuff.
:
: the pick and spike protector for sale which are also recommended buy.
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d*i
发帖数: 9453 | 28 不过这把ice tool也确实不是很agreesive的那种
(i
the extra cash to get a quality axe after a recent trip to Mt. Washington
in NH.
for superior for the European brands (Italian brands) then this USA camp
model. You will notice when you are throwing the axe into the steep icy &
rocky terrain.
long way and has better resale value.
the pick and spike protector for sale which are also recommended buy.
【在 q***z 的大作中提到】
: After recommending a few friends to buy this model solely based on price, (i
: use a BD Raven Pro, a friend uses a Petzl) they all regreted not spending the extra cash to get a quality axe after a recent trip to Mt. Washington in NH.
: The weight, fit and finish, grip, quality of the axe spike and picks are for superior for the European brands (Italian brands) then this USA camp model. You will notice when you are throwing the axe into the steep icy & rocky terrain.
: You get what you paid for, if you
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q***z
发帖数: 554 | 29
that's true... the best axe I have used is from a friend, Grivel ice axe
made in Italy - 1980 edition, the axe is heavy and has super grip, does the
job better then the BD pro and petzl we have. (non-technical mtneering
climbing and general traveling)
Also the BD raven can be had for like 50 bucks? I remembered in EMS they
have 15% discount for all students and you can combine when it's on sale.
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: zd talked me into buying a raven instead of a pro. His main reason is when
: you need the axe to climb out of a cravese, slightly heavier axe does the
: job better.
: Just for reference.
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 30 I have a different opinion. If you need a B-rated axe, Raven Pro is way to
heavy. If you need a T-rated axe, Raven Pro is too shitty. Its pick doesn't
dig into reasonably hard snice.
【在 y*****y 的大作中提到】
: A BD Raven Pro is well worth the extra money. It is lighter and you will
: appreciate that we you need to carry lots of stuff.
:
: the pick and spike protector for sale which are also recommended buy.
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c*******r
发帖数: 13580 | 31 I second his suggestion. I like Raven better than Raven Pro. For really
mellow climbs where I don't worry about climbing out of a crevasse (e.g.
Rainier Emmons route in early season), I use my super light Camp Corsa
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: zd talked me into buying a raven instead of a pro. His main reason is when
: you need the axe to climb out of a cravese, slightly heavier axe does the
: job better.
: Just for reference.
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 32 CAMP USA is an Italian brand.
(i
the extra cash to get a quality axe after a recent trip to Mt. Washington
in NH.
for superior for the European brands (Italian brands) then this USA camp
model. You will notice when you are throwing the axe into the steep icy &
rocky terrain.
long way and has better resale value.
the pick and spike protector for sale which are also recommended buy.
【在 q***z 的大作中提到】
: After recommending a few friends to buy this model solely based on price, (i
: use a BD Raven Pro, a friend uses a Petzl) they all regreted not spending the extra cash to get a quality axe after a recent trip to Mt. Washington in NH.
: The weight, fit and finish, grip, quality of the axe spike and picks are for superior for the European brands (Italian brands) then this USA camp model. You will notice when you are throwing the axe into the steep icy & rocky terrain.
: You get what you paid for, if you
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 33 This is a rather rare scenario, the whole rope team has to fail for that to
happen. If that is your primary concern, you are better off climbing with
someone you trust, or carry a real ice tool.
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: zd talked me into buying a raven instead of a pro. His main reason is when
: you need the axe to climb out of a cravese, slightly heavier axe does the
: job better.
: Just for reference.
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p**********t
发帖数: 2636 | 34 You're supposed to climb out of the crevasse yourself first, before waiting
for team rescue.
to
【在 f********t 的大作中提到】
: This is a rather rare scenario, the whole rope team has to fail for that to
: happen. If that is your primary concern, you are better off climbing with
: someone you trust, or carry a real ice tool.
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 35 If you have a 4-5 personal rope team, direct hauling falling climber out of
the crevasse may be the fastest way.
Also, for climbing out of crevasses, using one BD raven is better than using
one BD raven pro? I see in most of situations, this is a false statement.
waiting
with
【在 p**********t 的大作中提到】
: You're supposed to climb out of the crevasse yourself first, before waiting
: for team rescue.
:
: to
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 36 I wouldn't say falling into crevasses is a rare scenario, it totally depends
on which mountain/route/season you are going to climb.
For a 2-person or 3-person rope team, the fast crevasse rescue method may be
climb up (using prussik or not), or lower off (if one can walk out from the
bottom of crevasses). Setting up a hauling system takes a lot of time, henc
e is not preferred unless ones have to.
But for beginners, this is (or should be) a rare case.
to
when
the
【在 f********t 的大作中提到】
: This is a rather rare scenario, the whole rope team has to fail for that to
: happen. If that is your primary concern, you are better off climbing with
: someone you trust, or carry a real ice tool.
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 37 我一直想沿着bigsur camping。但是好像都得预订。。。
【在 k**e 的大作中提到】
: 先科普一下b-rated和t-rated的区别把。。。
: 这两个周末，我想沿着太平洋海滩backpacking个10麦啥的，到附近海滩上的一个露营
: 点扎营，第二天再开车回家。赫赫
: 赫赫。。。
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 38 早晚得刮花吧？
【在 s***y 的大作中提到】
: 而且最好是09版以后anodised aluminium 表面的，那叫一个漂亮，看着俺那08版的特
: 后悔省那几个钱。。。
: ／／飞速run
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 39 放在墙上挂着就不会刮花了
的特
【在 e**o 的大作中提到】
: 早晚得刮花吧？
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e**o
发帖数: 5509 | 40 女人都那样，对外观比较看重。
【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: 放在墙上挂着就不会刮花了
:
: 的特
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f********t
发帖数: 4574 | 41 I say "for the whole rope team to fail, your only option is to climb ice out
of crevasses" is a rare scenario.
If this is your concern, then carry a real tool. Raven or Pro won't make
much difference.
depends
be
the
henc
【在 T*********e 的大作中提到】
: I wouldn't say falling into crevasses is a rare scenario, it totally depends
: on which mountain/route/season you are going to climb.
: For a 2-person or 3-person rope team, the fast crevasse rescue method may be
: climb up (using prussik or not), or lower off (if one can walk out from the
: bottom of crevasses). Setting up a hauling system takes a lot of time, henc
: e is not preferred unless ones have to.
: But for beginners, this is (or should be) a rare case.
:
: to
: when
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T*********e
发帖数: 39815 | 42 The whole team falling into crevasses is rare, but climbing up is not a rare
ly used way for CR, especially for 2-p or 3-p rope team.
In any case, if the whole rope team falls into the crevasse, they might need
other people's help for rescuing. Chances are slight that they only get min
or injuries and can climb out.
out
may
【在 f********t 的大作中提到】
: I say "for the whole rope team to fail, your only option is to climb ice out
: of crevasses" is a rare scenario.
: If this is your concern, then carry a real tool. Raven or Pro won't make
: much difference.
:
: depends
: be
: the
: henc
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