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f******s
发帖数: 713 | 1 By Chris Branson, Attorney at law.
英文挺长，我把每段做一个小总结
1) Take the accusation seriously. I don' t care how absurd or unbelievable
the caseworker sounds. Understand that SHE is serious, and likely presumes -
no, likely KNOWS that you are guilty as accused. Even if she doesn' t flat
out say that she' s there to take the children, she is quite possibly intent
on doing just that.
In testimony to Congress, Chris Klicka, senior counsel for the Home School
Legal Defense Association, stated that a case worker with 30 years'
experience once confided in him that "When I started working, we tried to
prove the family was innocent. Now we assume they are guilty until they
prove they are not."
社工出现在你家的时候是假定你有罪的，因此对社工的任何指控都要认真对待。
2) Ask what the charges are. Most of the time, the caseworker wants to keep
you in the dark as to what you have been accused of, but she is now required
by federal and state law to tell you the nature of the accusation at her
first contact with you.
And don't settle for the answer of "abuse" or "neglect." Those are
categories, not accusations. You are entitled to know what specific actions
you are accused of committing.
询问清楚你被指控的具体是什么. 法律规定社工必须告知父母他们的指控，
3) Shut up. Shut up now. It is imperative that you not talk to anyone but
your attorney. It is natural that innocent parents who have nothing to hide
want to explain everything so that a reasonable person can see there's no
problem here. But CPS agents are not reasonable. You are presumed guilty.
That caseworker is there to find evidence to support what she already
believes to be true – that you abused your child.
不要因为自己无辜就试图对社工交代一切，你的话以后都可能被当作指控你的证词。社
工去你家就是为了找出指控你的证据。
If you say nothing to them, you have taken away their greatest weapon, which
is their ability to twist your words. Let me give you some examples of what
was done to parents who did talk to them:
The husband of a client of mine had been accused of sexually molesting their
autistic, non- verbal daughter. The CPS investigator asked the mother if
her daughter had exhibited any unusual behavior lately. The only thing she
could think of was that a couple of times the month before, the girl had
wanted her mother to come lay down with her for a few minutes. Usually, she
would just go in and go right to sleep. The investigator stated to the court
that the mother admitted her child had become afraid of her own bedroom.
One father I defended told the caseworker that he had disciplined his
daughter over a 20 minute period, where he would talk to her about what she
had done wrong, swat her a few times, and then talk some more. The
investigator stated to the court that the father admitted to beating his
child non-stop for 20 minutes.
4) You must find an attorney who has experience in fighting CPS, as soon as
you realize your family is being investigated. Notice I said experience in
fighting CPS. Many attorneys- if not most - believe their role is to find
out what CPS wants and make sure their clients do it. That way often leads
to disaster – and the loss of your children.
找一位懂得如何fight CPS的好律师，而不是那些试图说服你做CPS想做的事的律师。按
CPS的要求做经常给你带来灾难。
5) Be polite. Hostility toward the investigator is considered evidence of
guilt. Your perfectly natural angry reaction to being accused of harming
your child will be used as evidence of an abusive personality.
对 CPS的社工表现有礼貌。无理也会被当做对你的指控。
6) Under no circumstances should you let any government agent in your home
unless he or she has a warrant or order issued by a court. Ask to see the
warrant or order, because the CPS worker may lie and say she has one when
she doesn't. When she doesn't have one, politely but firmly tell her that
she will have to stay outside until she gets one. If she claims it's an
emergency, make her tell you what it is. Call her bluff - if it were a true
emergency, she would be there with armed police officers, forcing her way in
. Do not even open the door to let her look at the children.
如果社工没有法院传票或搜捕证，不要允许社工进你的家！（4th Amendment) 社工经
常撒谎和试图威胁你，礼貌但坚决地回绝他们试图进入你家的要求。如果被强行进入，
表明你的反对立场，但不要暴力抗拒。准备在法庭上起诉。 | m**k
发帖数: 18660 | 2 多大社工就不管了啊
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flat
intent
【在 f******s 的大作中提到】
: By Chris Branson, Attorney at law.
: 英文挺长，我把每段做一个小总结
: 1) Take the accusation seriously. I don' t care how absurd or unbelievable
: the caseworker sounds. Understand that SHE is serious, and likely presumes -
: no, likely KNOWS that you are guilty as accused. Even if she doesn' t flat
: out say that she' s there to take the children, she is quite possibly intent
: on doing just that.
: In testimony to Congress, Chris Klicka, senior counsel for the Home School
: Legal Defense Association, stated that a case worker with 30 years'
: experience once confided in him that "When I started working, we tried to
| s******y
发帖数: 2361 | 3 总之要把他们当敌人一样的严谨对待就是了 绝对要小心跟他说的每一个词每一句话
当他们踏进你的家门对你进行问话的时候 就是敌人了 因为双方持定的立场是对立的
尽管这个工作的初衷是好的 | l*****r
发帖数: 7130 | 4 这个不难理解啊，如果你被DA sue，那你就站在DA的敌对立场上，不管你是不是
wrongly accused。
我就是觉得没必要说DA都是坏人，因为他们是靠sue人拿工资的，所以他们有incentive
来sue你这种话。
【在 s******y 的大作中提到】
: 总之要把他们当敌人一样的严谨对待就是了 绝对要小心跟他说的每一个词每一句话
: 当他们踏进你的家门对你进行问话的时候 就是敌人了 因为双方持定的立场是对立的
: 尽管这个工作的初衷是好的
| w********e
发帖数: 4186 | 5 估计LZ是专门起诉社会福利机构的律师，靠这个吃饭，才是这种立场和态度。
看几期cnn的nancy grace，就明白这种机构是多么必要。
incentive
【在 l*****r 的大作中提到】
: 这个不难理解啊，如果你被DA sue，那你就站在DA的敌对立场上，不管你是不是
: wrongly accused。
: 我就是觉得没必要说DA都是坏人，因为他们是靠sue人拿工资的，所以他们有incentive
: 来sue你这种话。
:
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| w********e
发帖数: 4186 | 6 18岁吧，记得看过一个专题片，说的就是这些out of system的青少年，他们不能再留
在foster
family，或者group home，之后的艰难生活。
【在 m**k 的大作中提到】
: 多大社工就不管了啊
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: flat
: intent
| t********1
发帖数: 1855 | 7 谢谢楼主。 这些讯息对于从文化背景不同的地方来的第一代移民， 是非常有帮助的。
这个机构当然是必须的， 但是In testimony to Congress, Chris Klicka, senior
counsel for the Home School Legal Defense Association, stated that a case
worker with 30 years' experience once confided in him that "When I started
working, we tried to prove the family was innocent. Now we assume they are
guilty until they prove they are not." 在这里的中国人家庭，或者华裔家庭，
有多少是真正需要social worker介入的呢？大部分都是如上所说， 因为文化背景不同
， 家长也不明白自己的right， 结果心力憔悴。 | w********t
发帖数: 18315 | 8 我能知道社工是怎么出现在我家的吗？是需要有一定证据？比如孩子摔伤的伤口？儿医
的指控？邻居的报警？还是说任何一个陌生人报警他们就会来？说实话，有时候我教育
孩子的时候会打他小手板或屁股，其实也不是很重，就哇的哭5-10秒他就没事了，俺怕
邻居偷看到了，嘿嘿 | m*********7
发帖数: 5207 | 9 Co-ask
如果一个邻居恨你，是不是60天之内两次报警说你虐待孩子，你就会（至少是暂时）失
去自己的孩子？因为CPS用的是guilty assumption，你有责任搜集自己无辜的证据，而
这个过程要花时间。
【在 w********t 的大作中提到】
: 我能知道社工是怎么出现在我家的吗？是需要有一定证据？比如孩子摔伤的伤口？儿医
: 的指控？邻居的报警？还是说任何一个陌生人报警他们就会来？说实话，有时候我教育
: 孩子的时候会打他小手板或屁股，其实也不是很重，就哇的哭5-10秒他就没事了，俺怕
: 邻居偷看到了，嘿嘿
| y****i
发帖数: 12114 | 10 我觉得不会那么容易的吧。楼主的文章里面不是提到了没有传票和搜查令不让社工进门
么。
【在 m*********7 的大作中提到】
: Co-ask
: 如果一个邻居恨你，是不是60天之内两次报警说你虐待孩子，你就会（至少是暂时）失
: 去自己的孩子？因为CPS用的是guilty assumption，你有责任搜集自己无辜的证据，而
: 这个过程要花时间。
| m*********7
发帖数: 5207 | 11 邻居只管告发，传票和搜查令是法官决定给不给吧？
【在 y****i 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得不会那么容易的吧。楼主的文章里面不是提到了没有传票和搜查令不让社工进门
: 么。
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