t******8
发帖数: 204 | 1 我亲戚小孩今年九月从国内来美到位于麻省Deerfield的Bement school上8年级住校。
刚刚一个月就被学校退学。原因是因为昨天和同寝室的韩国室友讲了个自己编的故事。
小孩在故事里把自己想象成一个职业杀手，有着吸血鬼一样的能力。那个韩国小孩居然
就吓坏了，打电话告诉自己父母，该父母又打电话给校长。校长今天居然就通知小孩，
明天必须离校。据校长说小孩之前也和室友讲过有些血腥的故事，但校方没有任何的警
告记录，也没有和家长联系过。这个学校可不便宜，已预交了百分之60约27000美元，
学校说不会退。
想问问大家这合理么？有没有可能让学校推返部分费用。虽然我知道可能性不大。
这个小孩不算是非常优秀，但在国内区重点中学年级里还是很轻松名列前茅。这次打击
非常的大，还想求大家建议一下如何安慰小孩。 |
t*g
发帖数: 1758 | 2 为什么不能退钱？没有用他的service还要付钱么？问个律师吧
【在 t******8 的大作中提到】
: 我亲戚小孩今年九月从国内来美到位于麻省Deerfield的Bement school上8年级住校。
: 刚刚一个月就被学校退学。原因是因为昨天和同寝室的韩国室友讲了个自己编的故事。
: 小孩在故事里把自己想象成一个职业杀手，有着吸血鬼一样的能力。那个韩国小孩居然
: 就吓坏了，打电话告诉自己父母，该父母又打电话给校长。校长今天居然就通知小孩，
: 明天必须离校。据校长说小孩之前也和室友讲过有些血腥的故事，但校方没有任何的警
: 告记录，也没有和家长联系过。这个学校可不便宜，已预交了百分之60约27000美元，
: 学校说不会退。
: 想问问大家这合理么？有没有可能让学校推返部分费用。虽然我知道可能性不大。
: 这个小孩不算是非常优秀，但在国内区重点中学年级里还是很轻松名列前茅。这次打击
: 非常的大，还想求大家建议一下如何安慰小孩。
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B*G
发帖数: 13438 | 3 估计都写在fine print里面吧，因为学生方面的misconduct被退学的不返还学费。
【在 t*g 的大作中提到】
: 为什么不能退钱？没有用他的service还要付钱么？问个律师吧
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x**s
发帖数: 1085 | 4 这个学费肯定要不到的，私校都这样的。只有非常特殊的孩子无错的情况才有可能有部
分退款。只交了60%算好的，很多是100%的开学前要付清的。
不过如果光就一个故事就能被勒令退学可能有点夸张，估计这娃还有其他言行也有点出
格吧？ 都8年纪了，这也算是人生一堂给他。 |
E*******1
发帖数: 2883 | |
l******4
发帖数: 1507 | |
z**n
发帖数: 22303 | 7 不要凡是就把自己的同胞往不好的地方推测行不？为何就不能是黑心的学校找借口吞学
费呢？
【在 x**s 的大作中提到】
: 这个学费肯定要不到的，私校都这样的。只有非常特殊的孩子无错的情况才有可能有部
: 分退款。只交了60%算好的，很多是100%的开学前要付清的。
: 不过如果光就一个故事就能被勒令退学可能有点夸张，估计这娃还有其他言行也有点出
: 格吧？ 都8年纪了，这也算是人生一堂给他。
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w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 8 告丫的。 律师接受可以把学校搞臭。 三倍赔偿
【在 z**n 的大作中提到】
: 不要凡是就把自己的同胞往不好的地方推测行不？为何就不能是黑心的学校找借口吞学
: 费呢？
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z********i
发帖数: 703 | |
s******2
发帖数: 461 | 10 Most private school tuition is pre-paid for the full year and is non-
refundable. Read School Handbook to see if this is the case.
【在 t******8 的大作中提到】
: 我亲戚小孩今年九月从国内来美到位于麻省Deerfield的Bement school上8年级住校。
: 刚刚一个月就被学校退学。原因是因为昨天和同寝室的韩国室友讲了个自己编的故事。
: 小孩在故事里把自己想象成一个职业杀手，有着吸血鬼一样的能力。那个韩国小孩居然
: 就吓坏了，打电话告诉自己父母，该父母又打电话给校长。校长今天居然就通知小孩，
: 明天必须离校。据校长说小孩之前也和室友讲过有些血腥的故事，但校方没有任何的警
: 告记录，也没有和家长联系过。这个学校可不便宜，已预交了百分之60约27000美元，
: 学校说不会退。
: 想问问大家这合理么？有没有可能让学校推返部分费用。虽然我知道可能性不大。
: 这个小孩不算是非常优秀，但在国内区重点中学年级里还是很轻松名列前茅。这次打击
: 非常的大，还想求大家建议一下如何安慰小孩。
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x*****9
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c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 12 (1) You ask, "想问问大家这合理么？"
(a) Well, there must be a report or notice from the school. You do not show
any of them. How do we know if it is reasonable or not? Yours is one-sided--
and may even be hear-say, unadmitted in a court of law.
(b) Fantacies or thoughts of violence, even in artistic expression, is taken
seriously, ever since Columbine high school massacre.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Columbine_High_School_massacre
Jaime Sarrio and Emily Bazar, Student's Expulsion Feeds Debate on Online
Rights. USA Today, Feb 3, 2011.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/nation
/2010-02-02-facebook-threat_N.htm
(c) Brement School is private, so the First Amendment to the United States
Constitution (regarding free expression) plays no role. (US Constitutions
and Amendments restrain governments, including public schools--nut not
private entities.)
I happen to live in Boston, Massachusetts. I am sympathetic, particularly
because he is a young child and goreign (but probably the school also
considered the factors as mitigation). However, without more information, I
can not offer help.
(2) Your MAIN question--it appears that you do not seriously contest the
expulsion--if to get tuition refund. The short answer is NO.
All schools in US have a policy for tuition refund, partial or full. It is a
contract.
As for Brement School, it has its own policy. See pages 11-12 in
Family Handbook 2008-2009. Brement School.
http://www.bement.org/FamilyHandBook200809.pdf
("Tuition Obligations * * * Under terms of your enrollment agreement,
payment of tuition
and fee obligations is contractually required even if your student
issuspended or withdrawn from school.")
Indeed, the Handbook, at pages 3-4, explicitly disciplines students for
hazing alone.
(3) It appears that your posting is not a totle fabrication.
(a) Admissions: Student Body
http://www.bement.org/students.html
(2011-2012 Total Enrollment - 244; "Boarding students come from: * * * China
* * * Korea * * * Taiwan")
(b) Admissions: Affording Bement
http://www.bement.org/affording.html
("Seven Day Boarding Student Tuition and Fees 2011-12 $44,235 * * * Payment
Options[:] Option B provides for 60% payment of tuition and fees on or
before July 1 and the remaining 40% by November 15")
【在 t******8 的大作中提到】
: 我亲戚小孩今年九月从国内来美到位于麻省Deerfield的Bement school上8年级住校。
: 刚刚一个月就被学校退学。原因是因为昨天和同寝室的韩国室友讲了个自己编的故事。
: 小孩在故事里把自己想象成一个职业杀手，有着吸血鬼一样的能力。那个韩国小孩居然
: 就吓坏了，打电话告诉自己父母，该父母又打电话给校长。校长今天居然就通知小孩，
: 明天必须离校。据校长说小孩之前也和室友讲过有些血腥的故事，但校方没有任何的警
: 告记录，也没有和家长联系过。这个学校可不便宜，已预交了百分之60约27000美元，
: 学校说不会退。
: 想问问大家这合理么？有没有可能让学校推返部分费用。虽然我知道可能性不大。
: 这个小孩不算是非常优秀，但在国内区重点中学年级里还是很轻松名列前茅。这次打击
: 非常的大，还想求大家建议一下如何安慰小孩。
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t******8
发帖数: 204 | 13 Are you a lawyer? What do you mean "totle fabrication"? Sorry for my poor
English. Unfortunately I can not type Chinese on this computer. If you are
questioning the truth of my post, it is really not necessary. Why should I
do that?
The principal didn't give the kid any official written document about
expulsion. She just gave an oral statement and asked the kid to leave the
school the next day in a meeting with one or two other teachers presented.
Later in the phone call with me, she told me she got advice from some
psychologist that the kid is not suitable to stay in boarding. Again there
is no any written statement.
I understand it is hard to get refund as I stated in the original post. I
believe it is extremely unfair to treat a just 13 years old kid in that way. |
c**i
发帖数: 6973 | 14 Sorry, it is "total" fabrication. My mistake in the original posting.
(1) Massachusetts state supreme court talks about student expulsion in a
private school only once, to the best of my memory.
Schaer v Brandeis University, 423 Mass 474, 735 NE 2d 373 (2000)
http://biotech.law.lsu.edu/cases/schools/schaer_v_brandeis.htm
Supreme Judicial Court affirmed trial court's dismissal of complaint and
overruled Massachusetts Appeal Court's reversal of a single count. paragraph
15.
The bottomline of the decision was paragraph 40, which mentions Schaer v
Brandeis Univ, supra at 26, which was
Schaer v. Brandeis Univ., 48 Mass App Ct 23 (1999)* at page 26.
What is important, to me, is a case cited: Russell v. Salve Regina College,
890 F.2d 484, 489 (1st Cir. 1989). Russell was about a female college
nursing student who was expelled for being obese (5'6" tall, weighed in
excess of 300 pounds when admitted).
All pertinent cases are available online.
* Schaer v. Brandeis Univ., 48 Mass App Ct 23 (1999)
http://masscases.com/cases/app/48/48massappct23.html
* Salve Regina College v. Russell, 499 US 225 (1991)
http://www.law.cornell.edu/supct/html/89-1629.ZO.html
* Russell v Salve Regina College, 938 F2d 315 (1991)
http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/F2/938/315
A person may want to read the last one at least.
(2) I can only suggest
(a) that you collect a student handbook (as opposed to family handbook I
found); and
(b) that you consult a good lawyer.
And then either you or the lawyer asks for a written statement. What you
describe in the second posting sounds arbitrary and capricious, the legal
standard in the setting of a private (as opposed to public) school. For one,
no hearing was held.
(3) In the meantime, the kid can find another school to attend (to solve
dilemma of the student visa), AND before he or she has to leave the country,
assign the case to you, so that you alone can fight the long legal battle.
* * *
【在 t******8 的大作中提到】
: Are you a lawyer? What do you mean "totle fabrication"? Sorry for my poor
: English. Unfortunately I can not type Chinese on this computer. If you are
: questioning the truth of my post, it is really not necessary. Why should I
: do that?
: The principal didn't give the kid any official written document about
: expulsion. She just gave an oral statement and asked the kid to leave the
: school the next day in a meeting with one or two other teachers presented.
: Later in the phone call with me, she told me she got advice from some
: psychologist that the kid is not suitable to stay in boarding. Again there
: is no any written statement.
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w********a
发帖数: 516 | |
d******2
发帖数: 1039 | 16 他能把同学吓成这样, 肯定是个聪明孩子. 一般小孩儿哪儿能讲故事讲这么绘声绘色. |
h*********e
发帖数: 6997 | 17 如果学校规定被开除的不退学费，那可以告学校没有充足理由就开除学生。
学校没有任何警告，就因为孩子讲故事而开除他，确实有点做过头了。
当然到底 you have a case or not，还是要看律师怎么说。
找个美国律师比较好，千万别找个海明那样的。
【在 s******2 的大作中提到】
: Most private school tuition is pre-paid for the full year and is non-
: refundable. Read School Handbook to see if this is the case.
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A**n
发帖数: 1703 | 18 记得老电影scent of women吗，如果你也能像那个瞎子一样声情并茂气势惊人地一番演
讲，兴许学校会收回成命
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X*t
发帖数: 1746 | 19 坑?你亲戚小孩才来美国一个月就能用英语把故事讲得绘声绘色…… |
w*******g
发帖数: 9932 | 20 I think the question is the lack of due process. The child should have a
fair process before getting dismissed from the school. He should have the
ability to appeal and have an impartial authority to review the decision.
This central matter is the tuition paid upfront. The school dismisses the
students while holding the remaining tuition is unethical and borderline
criminal. Without a due process, any school can take this kind of action and
make this a scam.
I think the OP should hire a lawyer to write a strongly worded letter to the
school first. Then considering the school's reponse before deciding whether
to file a lawsuit. The remedy is not reinstatement but tuition
reimbursement.
【在 h*********e 的大作中提到】
: 如果学校规定被开除的不退学费，那可以告学校没有充足理由就开除学生。
: 学校没有任何警告，就因为孩子讲故事而开除他，确实有点做过头了。
: 当然到底 you have a case or not，还是要看律师怎么说。
: 找个美国律师比较好，千万别找个海明那样的。
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j**y
发帖数: 5059 | 21 re
【在 X*t 的大作中提到】
: 坑?你亲戚小孩才来美国一个月就能用英语把故事讲得绘声绘色……
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l****t
发帖数: 36289 | 22 我老倒觉得更可能是因为语言表达不够好才把一些本来不算啥的话说得太过分和可怕了
【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: re
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