a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 1 School Board Approves Controversial Deal In Transgender Student Case
After months of negotiations, the battle over locker room access for a
transgender student in Illinois is over. The Township High School District
211, about 30 miles northwest of Chicago, approved a deal with the
Department of Education in the early hours of the morning. The agreement
ends the threat of the district losing millions of dollars in federal funds,
but, as NPR's Cheryl Corley reports, some parents are not happy with the
decision.
CHERYL CORLEY, BYLINE: About 400 people, mostly adults and a few students,
filled row after row of folding chairs in a high school cafeteria turned
into an auditorium for District 211's special school board meeting.
The U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights ruled last month
the school district had violated federal law by not allowing a student who
was born a male and identifies as female full access to the girls' rock
locker room. Jessica Miller, who has a 16-year-old daughter in the school
district, was one of many parents urging the board to keep that policy in
place.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
JESSICA MILLER: I kept hearing that a majority of the students are on board
with this. Well, I spoke with my daughter and majority of their friends, and
, believe me, that is not true. Our girls are feeling helpless, but they
refuse to speak out because they fear retaliation from those who are very
vocal.
(APPLAUSE)
CORLEY: The ACLU helped the student file a federal complaint against the
district two years ago, and the Office of Civil Rights told the district it
had violated the Title IX law that banned sex discrimination, a charge
Miller and others called an overreach by the government.
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
MILLER: We are just parents with a mission to protect our children's rights
and privacy and their well-being.
CORLEY: But Hannah Garst, whose two children will attend the same high
school as the transgender student, says it was the school district that was
overreaching.
HANNAH GARST: Because if privacy is the issue then let's solve that issue by
giving privacy to everyone and requiring everyone to use discretion when
undressing or changing.
CORLEY: And 17-year-old Jake Lytle, a student in the district, told the
board members to think about what sort of history they wanted to make, just
as other boards had to face difficult questions, like...
(SOUNDBITE OF ARCHIVED RECORDING)
JAKE LYTLE: Should they integrate a school or continue with the forced
separation by race? Should students who are openly gay and lesbian be
welcomed and protected from discrimination and harassment?
CORLEY: And Lytle said the board should be as bold as others and accept the
settlement and negotiate it with the Department of Education. For nearly
three hours, the board met in closed session, ultimately voting yes on the
agreement which allows the transgender student to use private areas within
the locker room. Those who stayed to wait for the decision said they felt
betrayed.
UNIDENTIFIED MAN: We're going to sue you guys.
CORLEY: District 211 Superintendent Daniel Cates says he understands the
disappointment, but he says the agreement is not a district-wide policy.
DANIEL CATES: This agreement pertains to a single student, and in doing so
we believe that we have safeguarded not only our ability to move forward
with other students, but also to safeguard other districts who would like to
make their decisions locally.
CORLEY: Cates says in developing the policy, the community and the board
struggled with an extremely sensitive situation. Federal officials have to
sign off on the deal. Cheryl Corley, NPR News, Hoffman Estates, Ill. |
a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 2 下周五去事发学区旁边的 Arlington Heights 2所高中普及围棋
那边都是很富余的学区。
看看那里隔壁的老师怎么想。
funds,
【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: School Board Approves Controversial Deal In Transgender Student Case
: After months of negotiations, the battle over locker room access for a
: transgender student in Illinois is over. The Township High School District
: 211, about 30 miles northwest of Chicago, approved a deal with the
: Department of Education in the early hours of the morning. The agreement
: ends the threat of the district losing millions of dollars in federal funds,
: but, as NPR's Cheryl Corley reports, some parents are not happy with the
: decision.
: CHERYL CORLEY, BYLINE: About 400 people, mostly adults and a few students,
: filled row after row of folding chairs in a high school cafeteria turned
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 3 刚来的时候，对ACLU充满了尊敬。随着年纪变老，这个尊敬稀释了。这个案子一出，那
就彻底没了。
本来不难处理的事，搞这么大。
【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: 下周五去事发学区旁边的 Arlington Heights 2所高中普及围棋
: 那边都是很富余的学区。
: 看看那里隔壁的老师怎么想。
:
: funds,
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a*****g
发帖数: 19398 | 4 挺好的。
一个脓疮只有彻底烂出来，才会对身体好。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 刚来的时候，对ACLU充满了尊敬。随着年纪变老，这个尊敬稀释了。这个案子一出，那
: 就彻底没了。
: 本来不难处理的事，搞这么大。
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w*********o
发帖数: 3030 | 5 The only thing really matters is what's in the deal. I don't see that in
this article. Looks like this post is just going to stir up political
rhetorics.
"The U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights ruled last month
the school district had violated federal law by not allowing a student who
was born a male and identifies as female full access to the girls' rock
locker room." ---
If federal law allows self gender identification at certain age and the
public school break the law, then it broke the law.
What are you afraid of as a parent? Your child identifies with a gender
different from the biological gender or your child being bullied by a kid
who does it? So far, I haven't seen any hate crime conducted by LGBT
community against straight in schools. |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 6 安安猪先逃，咱们来世再见。
month
【在 w*********o 的大作中提到】
: The only thing really matters is what's in the deal. I don't see that in
: this article. Looks like this post is just going to stir up political
: rhetorics.
: "The U.S. Department of Education's Office of Civil Rights ruled last month
: the school district had violated federal law by not allowing a student who
: was born a male and identifies as female full access to the girls' rock
: locker room." ---
: If federal law allows self gender identification at certain age and the
: public school break the law, then it broke the law.
: What are you afraid of as a parent? Your child identifies with a gender
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 7 ACLU是著名的美国人权组织，年轻的时候看他的故事血液沸腾。参见他的维基和aclu.
org
近十年来我对aclu的看法完全变了。具体就不说了。反正ACLU和我邻居关系闹的不是很
愉快。
你是问我个人对这个更衣室问题的方法？我要是学区负责人，那就用诚意把这个变性小
孩搞定被。譬如，我个人办公室给他好了。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 8 我用诚意让这个小孩别跟ACLU联手，事情就闹不大。
要不咱们角色扮演，你来，提要求吧。 |
t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 10 扣细节，找碴谁都会。你得看是谁找茬。流火来，我有杀手锏，不惧。如果是ACLU来，
你让我带上尿不湿先，ACLU每天一封律师信，一周逼你上一次法庭，他有钱有闲，我一
学区负责人，拿着一二十万的工资，在没有外援的情况下，肯定是输得脱裤。
你家孩子怎么看？好奇ing. |
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N*********6
发帖数: 2302 | 11 专门给你看的。。
你对围棋的热衷，我叹为观止。。
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Stock/36472301.html
funds,
【在 a*****g 的大作中提到】
: School Board Approves Controversial Deal In Transgender Student Case
: After months of negotiations, the battle over locker room access for a
: transgender student in Illinois is over. The Township High School District
: 211, about 30 miles northwest of Chicago, approved a deal with the
: Department of Education in the early hours of the morning. The agreement
: ends the threat of the district losing millions of dollars in federal funds,
: but, as NPR's Cheryl Corley reports, some parents are not happy with the
: decision.
: CHERYL CORLEY, BYLINE: About 400 people, mostly adults and a few students,
: filled row after row of folding chairs in a high school cafeteria turned
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 12 这么说吧，我作为外人我当然希望公开。
我刚才说的尽量私了是作为学区负责人的立场。这样我们找到common ground了没？
桶借我。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 13 你总说我不明白，又不给点方向。搞得我跟刚算完命一样 上心下心的。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 14 唉，这种和解离ACLU的理想差海里去了。
在ACLU成立的95年里，ACLU打过的最高法院官司比任何私有组织都多。刚数数，2015年
就有6个案子。截至到2009年，直接间接的最高法院案子79个。
我们还是算了吧。两个世界的人。：)从此阴阳永隔挺好的。别误解，我阴你阳，不生
气，桶还你。
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又仔细想了想，我明白了你说的私了的意思。你大概定义私了为学生自己搞定。这事学
生自己当然搞不懂。而公了有太多种不同程度公了的方法。
相信现在这个公了的方法已经是学区负责人尽力了。我自己未必比他做得好。 |
t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 15 ISD有自己的ATTORNEY，拿工资的。
那可能那么小白兔，好歹也是政府ENTITY。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 16 唉，我一开始就假设了我是学区负责人的。
我叫喊得欢是欢了点，如果有得罪的地方，请多多包涵，指出就更欢迎了，我好提高自
己。 |
t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 17
别啊，吵架千万不能谦虚。勇往直前才好玩。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 唉，我一开始就假设了我是学区负责人的。
: 我叫喊得欢是欢了点，如果有得罪的地方，请多多包涵，指出就更欢迎了，我好提高自
: 己。
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B********e
发帖数: 10014 | 18 有没有故事梗概？
你们在说什么事？
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 唉，我一开始就假设了我是学区负责人的。
: 我叫喊得欢是欢了点，如果有得罪的地方，请多多包涵，指出就更欢迎了，我好提高自
: 己。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 19 那肯定的，他们还有法律保险。
问题是，对手是ACLU。重复一遍，ACLU。我刚又看了一遍维基，换了一打尿不湿。
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: ISD有自己的ATTORNEY，拿工资的。
: 那可能那么小白兔，好歹也是政府ENTITY。
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t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 20 大不了这个学区负责人不干了，也要跟他们死磕到底。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 那肯定的，他们还有法律保险。
: 问题是，对手是ACLU。重复一遍，ACLU。我刚又看了一遍维基，换了一打尿不湿。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 21 他要是不干了，这案子照样继续，到时候整个学区就得赔被告钱，还有一堆律师费。
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: 大不了这个学区负责人不干了，也要跟他们死磕到底。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 22 我说的是，作为学区负责人，这事就得尽量在学区和变形学生之间解决。安安猪贴出的
新闻，也表明了最后是一定程度的私了。
用私了公了来说这个其实容易引起误会，因为大家定义不同。
你说的对，我表达能力有待提高。原谅我一个下室琐男，太多年没练习这些了。 |
t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 23
一名男子，不要老提尿布好不好？保家卫国不能戴着尿布不是。
【在 f**********n 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是，作为学区负责人，这事就得尽量在学区和变形学生之间解决。安安猪贴出的
: 新闻，也表明了最后是一定程度的私了。
: 用私了公了来说这个其实容易引起误会，因为大家定义不同。
: 你说的对，我表达能力有待提高。原谅我一个下室琐男，太多年没练习这些了。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 24 我刚才也变性了。：)
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
:
: 一名男子，不要老提尿布好不好？保家卫国不能戴着尿布不是。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 25 “ultimately voting yes on the agreement which allows the transgender
student to use private areas within the locker room.”
魔鬼都在细节里。
你读那么多书，温文尔雅，怎么会是头脑简单的人？我将来肯定有很多问题要向你请教
。：) |
G***W
发帖数: 1967 | 26 在这个Issue上，难道你有干货？ 根据你自己的观点：“坐而思不如起而行”
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Parenting/32656449.html
现在是不是有一种被打脸的感觉。。。
关于这个问题，我有很资深的看法，不过，我不会轻易发表看法了，我的观点没有那么
Cheap,让你轻而易举的得到。。
我疑惑的是，你能读得懂上面的NPR 英文报道吗，你是不是土鳖一个，完全没有经受过
美国的正规教育。。。这个仅仅是我的小人之心的speculation,。。。事实上我无需对
我不友好的人抛橄榄枝啊。。那样显得自己很cheap..是不是。。。哈哈哈
哇哈哈
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
:
: 一名男子，不要老提尿布好不好？保家卫国不能戴着尿布不是。
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t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 27 咱妇女大妈就得联合起来对付索男。要不咱们去军版体验一下生活吧。 |
t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 28
哈哈哈哈。刺激太大，痊愈很难？
【在 G***W 的大作中提到】
: 在这个Issue上，难道你有干货？ 根据你自己的观点：“坐而思不如起而行”
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Parenting/32656449.html
: 现在是不是有一种被打脸的感觉。。。
: 关于这个问题，我有很资深的看法，不过，我不会轻易发表看法了，我的观点没有那么
: Cheap,让你轻而易举的得到。。
: 我疑惑的是，你能读得懂上面的NPR 英文报道吗，你是不是土鳖一个，完全没有经受过
: 美国的正规教育。。。这个仅仅是我的小人之心的speculation,。。。事实上我无需对
: 我不友好的人抛橄榄枝啊。。那样显得自己很cheap..是不是。。。哈哈哈
: 哇哈哈
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 29 我已经变性了，我再说一次。：)
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: 咱妇女大妈就得联合起来对付索男。要不咱们去军版体验一下生活吧。
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G***W
发帖数: 1967 | 30 上过战场打过站，总比当乌龟强啊。。
PTSD 美国都是有福利，有配套治理方案的，这个你不懂了吧。。。
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
:
: 哈哈哈哈。刺激太大，痊愈很难？
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t**********2
发帖数: 1704 | 31 您上战场打站的时候是立正还是稍息？
【在 G***W 的大作中提到】
: 上过战场打过站，总比当乌龟强啊。。
: PTSD 美国都是有福利，有配套治理方案的，这个你不懂了吧。。。
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 32 对不起，没贴全。
For nearly three hours, the board met in a closed session — ultimately
voting yes on the agreement which allows the transgender student to use
private areas within the locker room.
While the agreement ends the threat of the district losing millions of
dollars in Title IX federal funds, some parents were disappointed. |
G***W
发帖数: 1967 | 33 北乔峰一个降龙十八掌，让你这种乡巴佬没有见过世面的一命呜呼了，
你还在犹豫是“立正”还是“稍息”，。。。
你以为你是喊口令的队长，我是小兵吗？ 你的这种智商哪能下出什么高智商的套子。
。。
彻底的鄙视你啊，赤裸裸的鄙视你。。。
【在 t**********2 的大作中提到】
: 您上战场打站的时候是立正还是稍息？
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f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 34 难了，”不便”还可以缓解，问题是如何对付愤怒的父母们。
以前只用对付一个变性学生，现在需要对付一大把不满的父母。
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http://www.chicagotribune.com/suburbs/schaumburg-hoffman-estate |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 35 愤怒父母可能会起诉。这事应该还没完。
我认为trans是啥不重要，关键的是那些父母们怎么想。父母的担心不是没道理，因为
那人的随身武器还在。要是随身武器不在了，这些问题就没了。
我个人完全理解，同情和支持这些女学生的父母们。我也有女儿，已所不欲，勿施于人。 |
f**********n
发帖数: 29853 | 36 我还真的不知道有没有这样的调查。
我上面贴的新闻里提到，有女学生不敢公开表示反对。
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最新消息，学区可能反悔。
原因是学区领导怪联邦官员耍花招。学区以为这个和解要求该生只能使用帘子遮蔽了的
区域，但联邦说这个和解没有任何限制，只是该生自己说他会使用该区域。
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/12/04/chicago-area-school-distri |
