q******c
发帖数: 741 | 1 哪位能详细阐述一下通过FGPEE得到的license和美国本土Pharm.D的license的区别？
是不是通过FGPEE,NAPLEX等考试之后，虽然可以practice,但仍然不是Pharm.D?或者在
找工作的时候，没有Pharm.D有竞争力？
有点疑惑。这好像和M.D有点区别，许多在国内拿到M.D的朋友考过Board，通过Match,
找到工作之后，好像都是M.D,跟美国的M.D没有什么区别阿 |
f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 2 No body cares if you are a pharmacist with pharm D or FGPEE/PhD as long as you
are a good pharmacist when you have a job. However, there are big difference
between pharm D and FGPEE when you are on market to find a job or get
promotion. A pharmacist with Pharm D may have better oppotunities to get a job. |
q******c
发帖数: 741 | 3 Thanks so much for your kind reply!
One more question:
What job is available for Pharm.D/FGPEE?
Retail(like CVS, Walgreen...)
Hospital
Industrial
FDA
University
Am I right? or there are some more?
Thanks! |
f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 4 Theoretically, pharmD/FPGEE can work for all. In reality, 99% job opening
are retail and hospital. Even most hospitals require at least 2 year
experience. The first job for FGPEERS is possibly retail. Clinic trial
coordinators, FDA or STATE pharmacy auditors and consulting pharmacists need
a lot of working experience, knowledge and leadership. Most of them used to
work as directors or clinic directors of pharmacy at large hospitals. |
q******c
发帖数: 741 | 5 Seems like the current job market is not so good. Good luck for all the
FGPEERS and Pharm.D!
need
to
【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: Theoretically, pharmD/FPGEE can work for all. In reality, 99% job opening
: are retail and hospital. Even most hospitals require at least 2 year
: experience. The first job for FGPEERS is possibly retail. Clinic trial
: coordinators, FDA or STATE pharmacy auditors and consulting pharmacists need
: a lot of working experience, knowledge and leadership. Most of them used to
: work as directors or clinic directors of pharmacy at large hospitals.
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f****b
发帖数: 2410 | 6 that is ridiculous. only difference is your English language. do you
really pass the language barrier? that is the key. but it is some rumor
when the job market is really tight. It is not true though.
as you
difference
a job.
【在 f*******e 的大作中提到】
: No body cares if you are a pharmacist with pharm D or FGPEE/PhD as long as you
: are a good pharmacist when you have a job. However, there are big difference
: between pharm D and FGPEE when you are on market to find a job or get
: promotion. A pharmacist with Pharm D may have better oppotunities to get a job.
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k******o
发帖数: 3328 | 7 我感觉没有差别哟，同事都是PHARMD，但是笨的仍然一个赛似一个，英文烂的多得很。
(可能因为我在CA),一定要相信中国人是非常聪明的，嘻嘻 |
f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 8 就是MARKET好的时候95%的OPENING也是RETAIL和HOSPITAL，RETAIL可能占80%以上的JOB
MARKET， 在RETAIL能
学到很多东西，至少P.O.的DRUGS RETAIL 和HOSPITAL都一样，最好RETAIL和HOSPITAL
都会做，这样机会更多。如果
不想在RETAIL和HOSPITAL做，很能找到工作。
【在 q******c 的大作中提到】
: Seems like the current job market is not so good. Good luck for all the
: FGPEERS and Pharm.D!
:
: need
: to
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f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 9 如果没语言问题，估计早就是PHARMACY DIRECTOR。对于STAFF PHARMACIST语言要求并
不高。很多PHYSICIANS都
是非美国人。
【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: that is ridiculous. only difference is your English language. do you
: really pass the language barrier? that is the key. but it is some rumor
: when the job market is really tight. It is not true though.
:
: as you
: difference
: a job.
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f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 10 很多时候有些PHARM D也不知道配IV DRIP和CHEMO，KNOWLEDGE, LEADERSHIP，AND
COMMUNICATION，其实
COMMUNICATION并不完全是简单的语言问题，
【在 k******o 的大作中提到】
: 我感觉没有差别哟，同事都是PHARMD，但是笨的仍然一个赛似一个，英文烂的多得很。
: (可能因为我在CA),一定要相信中国人是非常聪明的，嘻嘻
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f****b
发帖数: 2410 | 11 你的感觉很到位，读药的，在美国人里是最苯的，最聪明的是读医的，其次是读牙的，
再其次是读眼
的，都不要才读药的，当然从中国来的也许不在这序列中，
【在 k******o 的大作中提到】
: 我感觉没有差别哟，同事都是PHARMD，但是笨的仍然一个赛似一个，英文烂的多得很。
: (可能因为我在CA),一定要相信中国人是非常聪明的，嘻嘻
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f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 12 I don't think so. There are a lot of smart guys among pharmacists, while you
might meet a few stupid physicians.
【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: 你的感觉很到位，读药的，在美国人里是最苯的，最聪明的是读医的，其次是读牙的，
: 再其次是读眼
: 的，都不要才读药的，当然从中国来的也许不在这序列中，
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k******o
发帖数: 3328 | 13 虽然我GG经常说我是WAREHOUSE CLERK，不过我也不得不承认，RETAIL的RPH的确就是这
样（可能说了，很多人不爱听）。
所以美国读书的我看大致也是这样的，或者我工作环境限制，我真的没有碰到过很聪明
的。你说STUPID的医生当然也有，还很多，特别是FAMILY DOCTOR，对药真是不行的。
不过很多都是MATCH上的，冒着被拍的危险说，真是有差距的
（发现我的回复得罪了太多人，我，我不是故意的，555） |
h**l
发帖数: 4883 | 14 可能你在南加的缘故.太多的越南药剂师.英语讲得都不行.
【在 k******o 的大作中提到】
: 虽然我GG经常说我是WAREHOUSE CLERK，不过我也不得不承认，RETAIL的RPH的确就是这
: 样（可能说了，很多人不爱听）。
: 所以美国读书的我看大致也是这样的，或者我工作环境限制，我真的没有碰到过很聪明
: 的。你说STUPID的医生当然也有，还很多，特别是FAMILY DOCTOR，对药真是不行的。
: 不过很多都是MATCH上的，冒着被拍的危险说，真是有差距的
: （发现我的回复得罪了太多人，我，我不是故意的，555）
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p****t
发帖数: 76 | 15 怎么会是美国人里最笨的呢？
照着你的逻辑，应该是第四聪明才对，哈哈。
美国人里笨的太多了。。。。。。
【在 f****b 的大作中提到】
: 你的感觉很到位，读药的，在美国人里是最苯的，最聪明的是读医的，其次是读牙的，
: 再其次是读眼
: 的，都不要才读药的，当然从中国来的也许不在这序列中，
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p*******e
发帖数: 143 | 16 It was reported that Foreign trained MDs who are practicing in US are as
good as American trained MD, . I think Chinese Pharmacy graduates are just
as good as American pharmacy graduates too. If you pass FPGEC and licensed,
No none will treat you differently.Nowadays, because job market is tight.
Employer put a lot of restrictions. But I know one FPGEC Pharmacist is
working as clinic specialist. It is America!
The only question is "do you have 竞争力 or not".
xotic (lazymind) 的大作中提到: 】 |
B**********1
发帖数: 46 | 17 In my opinion,Chinese pharmacy graduates have higher pharmaceutical science
knowledge and lab technique than American pharmacy(PharmD) graduates,many
PharmD courses in PHarm III and IV (grade 3 and 4) like xxx disease
management means nothing---these are not science courses,it is more like
trade or business courses----just teach you how to work well in a drug
warehouse as a kind of tradeperson or businessman. |
f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 18 There are different emphases between Pharm D and B. Pharm of CHINA. Chinese
B. Pharm is more like Pharmaceutical Science in the USA. Frankly speaking,
Pharm D in the USA is much much better than B. Pharm program in CHINA for
pharmacy practice. The key for practicing is how to work with physicians,
nurses, patients, drug companies, and insurance companies to deliver the
best and safest severce for patients based on law and policy. Actually, the
disease management is very important for practice. P
【在 B**********1 的大作中提到】
: In my opinion,Chinese pharmacy graduates have higher pharmaceutical science
: knowledge and lab technique than American pharmacy(PharmD) graduates,many
: PharmD courses in PHarm III and IV (grade 3 and 4) like xxx disease
: management means nothing---these are not science courses,it is more like
: trade or business courses----just teach you how to work well in a drug
: warehouse as a kind of tradeperson or businessman.
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m*****a
发帖数: 93 | 19 很好奇楼上有几位有没有在美国上过药学院里的therapeutic courses，我想如果在还
算不错的pharmacy school里上过pharmacotherapy/therapeutic课的也不会发表出类似
的评论。
Pharmacy school里的Therapeutic课上教的是怎么用药，怎么monitor病人，怎么
manage不同的disease states，和pharmaceutical science（怎么make drugs）是完全
两码事。
Pharmaceutical sicence的课药学院里也会教，但只是轻描淡写一下，毕竟pharmd出来
后方向不是去药厂里做科学家，想做科学家研制新药的就该去读bachelor->MS->phD。
就算你有再多的bench work经验，懂得再多的pharmaceutical science，在没有其它经
验的情况下去申请clinical pharmacy或retail pharmacy的职位绝对不会比药学院毕业
的pharmD更有竞争力。
有时很弄不明白这个版上为什么总有人非要把不同背景的人拿来比来比去，很多时候说
出 |
m*****a
发帖数: 93 | 20 Don't worry, you didn't offend me, not sure about others here who are
PharmDs or who are in the process of becoming PharmDs.
I disagree the knowledge we learn in pharmacy school is common sense. Who
would pay 20-30K or even 40K per year to learn some common sense in pharmacy
school. Not me, at least.
Maybe you've never worked with MDs before. Most of them have limited
knowledge on medications. Just the other day, one of my medical residents
asked me what the maximum APAP a patient can have per d
【在 B**********1 的大作中提到】
: In my opinion,Chinese pharmacy graduates have higher pharmaceutical science
: knowledge and lab technique than American pharmacy(PharmD) graduates,many
: PharmD courses in PHarm III and IV (grade 3 and 4) like xxx disease
: management means nothing---these are not science courses,it is more like
: trade or business courses----just teach you how to work well in a drug
: warehouse as a kind of tradeperson or businessman.
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f*******e
发帖数: 995 | 21 You misunderstood.
There are different types of "scientific research", for example: clinical
research and experimental research.
PhDs in medical schools: experimental research
MDs: clinical research.
Most PhDs don't do clinical research; and MDs don't do exprimental research
(except for MD/PhDs)
You said: "persons with MD can engage in research work without PhD", let me
tell you, most clinical research is done without PhDs, it's only because
PhDs don't regularly do clinical research, not because
【在 B**********1 的大作中提到】
: In my opinion,Chinese pharmacy graduates have higher pharmaceutical science
: knowledge and lab technique than American pharmacy(PharmD) graduates,many
: PharmD courses in PHarm III and IV (grade 3 and 4) like xxx disease
: management means nothing---these are not science courses,it is more like
: trade or business courses----just teach you how to work well in a drug
: warehouse as a kind of tradeperson or businessman.
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m*****a
发帖数: 93 | 22 You can compare me to whoever you want and it won't change my practice one bit.
Just like you have the right to voice your opinion on this board, I can
voice my opinion based on my experience and education as well.
By the way, I don't do experimental research because I'm not industry-based and don't have the bench equipment available in big pharmas. I work with humans and not dogs, rats, or microscopes. However, I do clinical research on patients with MDs, and my fellow PharmDs do the same thing
【在 B**********1 的大作中提到】
: In my opinion,Chinese pharmacy graduates have higher pharmaceutical science
: knowledge and lab technique than American pharmacy(PharmD) graduates,many
: PharmD courses in PHarm III and IV (grade 3 and 4) like xxx disease
: management means nothing---these are not science courses,it is more like
: trade or business courses----just teach you how to work well in a drug
: warehouse as a kind of tradeperson or businessman.
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B**********1
发帖数: 46 | 23 What I said here is that pharmaceutical science,especially
pharmaceutical production(including formulation) and uage, is the most
important and principal necessary for pharmacists anywhere in the world,BS
pharmacy in China is strong enough in this and should be pharmacists same as those through PharmDs.
In term of others related to pharmaceutical business and policies,different
countries have different rules,了解习惯就可以了. |
B**********1
发帖数: 46 | 24 In addition,some PharmD program only 3 years,this 3 years include intern
period in a pharmacy,and some people take pre-pharmacy only in community
college which is very low level.
I heard some PharmD programs are run even online,this means just self-study
by reading,对drugs没有任何直接感受与经验.
Pharmacy or PharmD program in US are more like business or trade,pharmacy
program in China cannot be studied online since it more focuses on science.
so PharmD 水平也非常参差不齐,licenced pharmacists through such PharmDs 又会 |
f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 25 你完全混淆了PHARM D和PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES的区别，这是两个不同的职业PATH，
有点象MEDICAL
RESEARCH和CLINIC PHYSICIANS. 在中国还没有和PHARM D 完全类比的专业，因为中国
的PHARMACY更接近
PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES. 我最近要回国参加一个研讨会就是如何设立一个类似PHARM
D专业，课程设置问题，不
管如何社会需要SCIENTIST, 也需要PHARMACIST. 至于非要分个高低那是你的问题，并
不像你说的那样大部分PHARM D
学生都是名校的学士学位，而且，在医院PHARMACISTS就是药物方面的专家，MD, NURSE
每天都有很多问题问你。这么
说吧，你拿着6 figures的工资，没人小看你。
study
【在 B**********1 的大作中提到】
: In addition,some PharmD program only 3 years,this 3 years include intern
: period in a pharmacy,and some people take pre-pharmacy only in community
: college which is very low level.
: I heard some PharmD programs are run even online,this means just self-study
: by reading,对drugs没有任何直接感受与经验.
: Pharmacy or PharmD program in US are more like business or trade,pharmacy
: program in China cannot be studied online since it more focuses on science.
: so PharmD 水平也非常参差不齐,licenced pharmacists through such PharmDs 又会
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f*******e
发帖数: 689 | 26 你完全混淆了PHARM D和PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES的区别，这是两个不同的职业PATH，
有点象MEDICAL
RESEARCH和CLINIC PHYSICIANS. 在中国还没有和PHARM D 完全类比的专业，因为中国
的PHARMACY更接近
PHARMACEUTICAL SCIENCES. 我最近要回国参加一个研讨会就是如何设立一个类似PHARM
D专业，课程设置问题，不
管如何社会需要SCIENTIST, 也需要PHARMACIST. 至于非要分个高低那是你的问题，并
不像你说的那样大部分PHARM D
学生都是名校的学士学位，而且，在医院PHARMACISTS就是药物方面的专家，MD, NURSE
每天都有很多问题问你。这么
说吧，你拿着6 figures的工资，没人小看你。
study
【在 B**********1 的大作中提到】
: In addition,some PharmD program only 3 years,this 3 years include intern
: period in a pharmacy,and some people take pre-pharmacy only in community
: college which is very low level.
: I heard some PharmD programs are run even online,this means just self-study
: by reading,对drugs没有任何直接感受与经验.
: Pharmacy or PharmD program in US are more like business or trade,pharmacy
: program in China cannot be studied online since it more focuses on science.
: so PharmD 水平也非常参差不齐,licenced pharmacists through such PharmDs 又会
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