P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 1 ＃8 - 刘松（阿根廷，WR94，BTY Matsushita Pro/海夫蓝鲸III/Bomb Talent-OX）
刘松严格来说不算是“削球”打法，虽然也是正反反长，但几乎不退台削球，而象一个
横板单面拉的打法，主要在近台，以正手为主，反手的长胶也主要是用于近台的削挡，
侧身用正手非常频繁。
这是他在2011WTTC时跟水谷的比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 2 #7 - Filus Ruwen (德国,WR91,BTY Timo Boll Spark/T05, 2.1/Feint Long III, 1.1)
Ruwen是德国青年冠军，用一支芳基纤维板来削球，正手上旋相持实力很不错，反手削
球好像不是那么稳定。他的一个标志性击球是倒板用反胶在反手位上手拉球，我还在一
个录像里看到过他退台后还倒板用反手跟人对拉的。
这是他在欧锦赛上与俄罗斯的库兹明的比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 3 ＃6 －张成满(朝鲜, WR84, BTY Defence II/T64, 2.1/Feint Soft）
张成满就像当年朝鲜第一削球手李根相一样有着超人的步伐，无论是前后的移动还是左
右的移动都非常的迅捷，常常在防守时突然发起反攻，让对手防不胜防。
这场跟香港张钰的比赛看着真是极端的过瘾，乒乓球是可以这样的赏心悦目： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 4 #5 - Chtchetinine Evgueni (白俄罗斯, WR74, 俄国特制碳板/TSP triple-spin chop
1.2/TSP Curl P1-R,1.3)。
这位老萨的队友，基本上全是削球，很少或者几乎没有上旋反攻的球，还是那种经典的
削球打法，最后靠对手拉球失误来得分的。最令人惊异的是，他居然是用的一支加了碳
素的板子来这样打法，我估计是那种很薄的无序碳层，而且是碳层比较靠近里面木层的
那种碳板。
这是他在欧锦赛上跟波尔的比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 5 ＃4 - 刘燚 (中国, WR69, BTY Joo Se Hyuk/Tenergy 64/TSP Curl P1-R)
这位来自中国的小将，出身“盛产削球选手”的河北队（当年那个削球的王浩就出自那
里)，2007被调入国家队，2011年才开始出来参加公开赛，立刻有了出色的表现。在去
年他参加的第一个公开赛，韩国公开赛上，他接连削掉了香港的江天一和新加坡詹健，
最后败给了柳承敏。而在这一站的U21赛事中则获得了亚军，决赛输给了台北陈建安。
此后，他又在日本公开赛上首轮淘汰日本的直板悍将吉田海伟，但后来输给了日本小将
高木和桌。
这是他跟高木的那场比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 6 #3 - Gionis Panagiotis (希腊, WR49, Korbel ST/T64, 2.1/Feint Long II, 1.1)
这位吉奥尼斯有格林卡这个“暴徒”给他做陪练，能削得住那么重的球质，估计一般的
拉冲他接起来可能跟挠痒痒似的吧，呵呵！我记得08奥运他好像是表现不错的，打法上
好像还是削得比反攻得要多一些，步伐上则是显得较慢了些，可能年岁也不小了。
这是他最近欧锦赛上的比赛录像： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 7 #2 - 陈卫星 (奥地利, WR43, BTY Defence II /紫海绵海夫蓝鲸 III /TSP Curl P1-R
, 1.0)
老陈作为海外兵团的代表人物，以削球这种很耗体力的打法，这么多年了还能维持这么
高的竟技水准，实在是难能可贵。虽然脾气挺大的，但多是因为打丢了他认为自己应该
打到的球而发怒。当然，也有过跟裁判耍“大牌”的事件。不过，他的球还是很有观赏
性的，那种在场上喜怒形于色的风格也多少让本来沉闷的比赛显得更有趣了，呵呵！
这场跟波尔的比赛，他发挥得很不错： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 8 #1 - "The one and only" 朱世赫 (韩国, WR8!!! BTY Diode/T64/Grass D'Techs ? )
唯一名列世界前10的削球手，全球削球界无可争议的教主，过去十年唯一打入过世锦赛
决赛的削球手，也是中国队最看重的一个对手。他用的是一把已经停产的BTY Diode削
球板，换上了BTY JSH的手柄。胶皮则是换过好几次，从Tackfire Drive 1.9/TSP Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
反手换成跟队友朴美英一样的Tibhar Grass D'Techs(1.6), 到现在神秘的“new backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
乒器究竟是什么了，呵呵！
前几天匈牙利公开赛4：0战胜张继科： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | |
n****l
发帖数: 6652 | 10 好帖要顶。
很喜欢老朱，人品也很好。
? )
Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: #1 - "The one and only" 朱世赫 (韩国, WR8!!! BTY Diode/T64/Grass D'Techs ? )
: 唯一名列世界前10的削球手，全球削球界无可争议的教主，过去十年唯一打入过世锦赛
: 决赛的削球手，也是中国队最看重的一个对手。他用的是一把已经停产的BTY Diode削
: 球板，换上了BTY JSH的手柄。胶皮则是换过好几次，从Tackfire Drive 1.9/TSP Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: 反手换成跟队友朴美英一样的Tibhar Grass D'Techs(1.6), 到现在神秘的“new backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
: 乒器究竟是什么了，呵呵！
: 前几天匈牙利公开赛4：0战胜张继科：
|
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j*g
发帖数: 820 | 11 朱原来用了神秘的“new backhand rubber"呀。
中国队原来打他都是先拉加转到他的反手，拉球弧度高，速度慢，稳定。等他回球偏高
偏短时，再暴打一拍大角度。
匈牙利时，对他的反手削球，却不约而同的拉速度快弧线低的球，类似小爆冲。这种球
朱回的很好，回球快，弧度低。弄的攻方很别扭。不知道他的反手回球到底时什么旋转
性质。估计是因为新胶皮，和以前的回球的旋转很不一样。
? )
Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: #1 - "The one and only" 朱世赫 (韩国, WR8!!! BTY Diode/T64/Grass D'Techs ? )
: 唯一名列世界前10的削球手，全球削球界无可争议的教主，过去十年唯一打入过世锦赛
: 决赛的削球手，也是中国队最看重的一个对手。他用的是一把已经停产的BTY Diode削
: 球板，换上了BTY JSH的手柄。胶皮则是换过好几次，从Tackfire Drive 1.9/TSP Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: 反手换成跟队友朴美英一样的Tibhar Grass D'Techs(1.6), 到现在神秘的“new backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
: 乒器究竟是什么了，呵呵！
: 前几天匈牙利公开赛4：0战胜张继科：
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 12 赫赫，老潘的意思是朱世赫8年就用一块底板，从来不换。。。
把反手胶皮换换，正手换成1.9的就可以把正手削球质量练上去了。。。。
【在 j*g 的大作中提到】
: 朱原来用了神秘的“new backhand rubber"呀。
: 中国队原来打他都是先拉加转到他的反手，拉球弧度高，速度慢，稳定。等他回球偏高
: 偏短时，再暴打一拍大角度。
: 匈牙利时，对他的反手削球，却不约而同的拉速度快弧线低的球，类似小爆冲。这种球
: 朱回的很好，回球快，弧度低。弄的攻方很别扭。不知道他的反手回球到底时什么旋转
: 性质。估计是因为新胶皮，和以前的回球的旋转很不一样。
:
: ? )
: Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
|
l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 13 也很欣赏老朱，坚韧而有人品的韩国男人。
大概是正手的海绵换成薄的了，和过去相比，他的正手削球使用率高多了，而不是
太多的反拉。由于正反胶皮的不同，削过来的球旋转不一样，造成了对方判断的
难度。应该是现在他的削球打法更合理，两面先削住，然后伺机反拉，效果更好。
打法的改变应该能使他在乒坛前沿再奋战几年。
【在 n****l 的大作中提到】
: 好帖要顶。
: 很喜欢老朱，人品也很好。
:
: ? )
: Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
|
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 14 我刚才看错了，以为他说JSH刚换成t64 1.9呢。。。
记得两年多前，JSH就换成t64了，所以才误认为从t64 2.1换成1.9了，
又去查了下，人家本来就用的t64 1.9。。。
你要说，反面胶皮换了，对正面产生影响，也许有一定道理。。。
不过，是个人都看出来JSH这次的正手球变转了，
我就不懂，为啥有些人非要去猜测人家换了反手胶皮呢？
我比较肤浅，不明白其中深奥之处，
哪位高人给解释解释反手这次JSH有啥改进之处？
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: 也很欣赏老朱，坚韧而有人品的韩国男人。
: 大概是正手的海绵换成薄的了，和过去相比，他的正手削球使用率高多了，而不是
: 太多的反拉。由于正反胶皮的不同，削过来的球旋转不一样，造成了对方判断的
: 难度。应该是现在他的削球打法更合理，两面先削住，然后伺机反拉，效果更好。
: 打法的改变应该能使他在乒坛前沿再奋战几年。
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 15 还有北大牛人号称听到了JSH承认自己换反手胶皮的绯闻。。。。
后来发现是人家2年前承认的。。。。。。
呵呵 |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 16 "The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
had changed his backhand rubber."
是匈牙利公开赛上老朱对克里桑这场半决赛的解说员当时说“朱换了反手胶皮”了。
正手，老朱从Tackfire Drive到T64，都是用的1.9厚的海绵，而不是2.1的。
至于好拉拉前面提到的正手球质的加强，这个有可能是蝴蝶为他特制了新的不同密度的
海绵，也有可能是韩国人也像中国队一样找到了更好的Booster的方法，比如灌什么神
油啥的。
刚刚在看朱跟小许的比赛，小许对他反手削过来的球好像失误是增多了，反手胶皮很可
能是有变化，不一定就是换了型号，也许还是Grass D Techs, 但用了不同的海绵(or
厚度，or both)，另外，长胶海绵也可以灌Booster或者神油，性能绝对会有点变化，
我所在俱乐部一个正反反长的老兄就玩这个，他灌过Booster后削过来的球确实比较更
奇怪一点，主要是在高点左右显得更飘乎，更让人对不上点。 |
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 17
请问这句话是谁说的？？？
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: "The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
: had changed his backhand rubber."
: 是匈牙利公开赛上老朱对克里桑这场半决赛的解说员当时说“朱换了反手胶皮”了。
: 正手，老朱从Tackfire Drive到T64，都是用的1.9厚的海绵，而不是2.1的。
: 至于好拉拉前面提到的正手球质的加强，这个有可能是蝴蝶为他特制了新的不同密度的
: 海绵，也有可能是韩国人也像中国队一样找到了更好的Booster的方法，比如灌什么神
: 油啥的。
: 刚刚在看朱跟小许的比赛，小许对他反手削过来的球好像失误是增多了，反手胶皮很可
: 能是有变化，不一定就是换了型号，也许还是Grass D Techs, 但用了不同的海绵(or
: 厚度，or both)，另外，长胶海绵也可以灌Booster或者神油，性能绝对会有点变化，
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 18 现场解说员说的，某网友转述的。如果能再看一遍Full Match的录像，我们应该也能听
见吧。
我没有看完全那场的实况，当时人太困了，也没注意听解说。也许现在我可以再回去看
一遍录像，竖起耳朵仔细听听看解说员究竟说了这句话没有，呵呵！
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 请问这句话是谁说的？？？
|
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 19 你这句话，在家园直接造成了JSH更换反手胶皮的既成事实。。。
而且还害得我老人家回去花了1个小时，听了整场比赛。。。
原文如下，希望我的听写没有退步：
JSH surprised many perhaps here last night. He defeated the current world
champion and the no. 2 in the world, ZJK of China. Perhaps the surprising
element was that it was a 4:0 vicitory. Everyone is saying that JSH also
beat ZJK in the 2009 China open and JSH was saying he's actually changed his
rubber and perhaps that was the element that caused some problems for ZJK.
如果有人不信，可以自己去听听。。。。
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: 现场解说员说的，某网友转述的。如果能再看一遍Full Match的录像，我们应该也能听
: 见吧。
: 我没有看完全那场的实况，当时人太困了，也没注意听解说。也许现在我可以再回去看
: 一遍录像，竖起耳朵仔细听听看解说员究竟说了这句话没有，呵呵！
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 20 Read this:
http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf_full_story1.asp?ID=26650&C
his
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 你这句话，在家园直接造成了JSH更换反手胶皮的既成事实。。。
: 而且还害得我老人家回去花了1个小时，听了整场比赛。。。
: 原文如下，希望我的听写没有退步：
: JSH surprised many perhaps here last night. He defeated the current world
: champion and the no. 2 in the world, ZJK of China. Perhaps the surprising
: element was that it was a 4:0 vicitory. Everyone is saying that JSH also
: beat ZJK in the 2009 China open and JSH was saying he's actually changed his
: rubber and perhaps that was the element that caused some problems for ZJK.
: 如果有人不信，可以自己去听听。。。。
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 21 And take a look at their record of encounters here:
Losing:
6/6/2009 China Open. Zhang 3:4 Joo
8/5/2009 Chinese Superleague. Zhang 0:3 Joo
Then start winning:
1/9/2010 Pro Tour Final. Zhang 4:2 Joo
10/30/2010 World Cup. Zhang 4:0 Joo
5/13/2011 WTTC. Zhang 4:0 Joo
11/13/2011 World Cup. Zhang 4:0 Joo
And Suddenly:
1/28/2012 Hungarian Open. Zhang 0:4 Joo
What rubber-related "problem" could Joo possibly cause to ZJK if his win
over ZJK in 2009 China Open was actually their FIRST encounter?
Joo is obviously talking about THIS time, about the loss of ZJK after a long
winning streak。。。。。。
his
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 你这句话，在家园直接造成了JSH更换反手胶皮的既成事实。。。
: 而且还害得我老人家回去花了1个小时，听了整场比赛。。。
: 原文如下，希望我的听写没有退步：
: JSH surprised many perhaps here last night. He defeated the current world
: champion and the no. 2 in the world, ZJK of China. Perhaps the surprising
: element was that it was a 4:0 vicitory. Everyone is saying that JSH also
: beat ZJK in the 2009 China open and JSH was saying he's actually changed his
: rubber and perhaps that was the element that caused some problems for ZJK.
: 如果有人不信，可以自己去听听。。。。
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 22 你不觉得你的主观臆断显得证据不足吗？
1。我并不同意ittf那文章上说的是这次。
Won on First Meeting
“I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
请注意，这段话的前面的标题。09年改无机，JSH从tackifire换成t64，是非常正常的
。而且，朱的这句话09年媒体都报道过，有空自己去查。。。
2。你从哪句话里看出他说换了反手胶皮？？？ 我反正没看见。。。你怎么就确定是反
手胶皮了？最重要的是，你在家园说评论员说换的反手胶皮，我怎么一个字也没听到？ |
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 23 Won on First Meeting
“I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
Success against for Joo Se Hyuk in 2009 at the Harmony China Open in Suzhou
was victory in their first encounter at international level but since that
time, the verdict in world ranking events has always gone in favour of Zhang
Jike.
Three Meetings
In 2010, the two met on three occasions.
At the ITTF Pro Tour Grand Finals in Macao in January, Zhang Jike recorded a
six games victory before posting a four games success, in a best of five
games duel, when representing Volkswagen China against the World All Stars
Team in June.
Margin Ever Greater
On every occasion the margin of victory was becoming greater and when they
met in October in the German city of Magdeburg, Zhang Jike won in four
straight games in their first stage duel.
It was a margin of victory he repeated in 2011 on his way to clinching the
top prize at the GAC GROUP World Championships in Rotterdam and at the
Liebherr Men’s World Cup in Paris.
Table Turned
However, quite amazingly, in Budapest the tables were turned completely and
the comment made by Joo Se Hyuk regarding motivation would seem to have
validity.
In June last year, at the Volkswagen China Open in Shenzhen, Zhang Jike lost
to Korea’s unpredictable Seo Hyun Deok; the Korean is a fine player but
Zhang Jike did not seem to be motivated on that occasion, mentally he did
not seemed attuned.
Now, in Budapest it would seem to have been a similar scenario.
请仔细阅读全文。。。
谁要说第一段文字是指的这次2012年换胶皮的事，我只能认为他的英语水平跟某北大牛
人一样烂了。。。。。。嘿嘿。。。 |
k***n
发帖数: 849 | 24 "侧身用正手非常频繁"
他全在用正手啊。反手除了一开始水谷不适应骗了两分，后来基本可以不要了。
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: ＃8 - 刘松（阿根廷，WR94，BTY Matsushita Pro/海夫蓝鲸III/Bomb Talent-OX）
: 刘松严格来说不算是“削球”打法，虽然也是正反反长，但几乎不退台削球，而象一个
: 横板单面拉的打法，主要在近台，以正手为主，反手的长胶也主要是用于近台的削挡，
: 侧身用正手非常频繁。
: 这是他在2011WTTC时跟水谷的比赛：
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 25 Connect the following two paragraphs, then tell us what you think (hint:
keyword "motivation").
1.
Won on First Meeting
“I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
2.
Table Turned
However, quite amazingly, in Budapest the tables were turned completely and
the comment made by Joo Se Hyuk regarding motivation would seem to have
validity
Se
my
Suzhou
Zhang
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: Won on First Meeting
: “I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
: Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
: racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
: Success against for Joo Se Hyuk in 2009 at the Harmony China Open in Suzhou
: was victory in their first encounter at international level but since that
: time, the verdict in world ranking events has always gone in favour of Zhang
: Jike.
: Three Meetings
: In 2010, the two met on three occasions.
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 26 I am not arguing with you with any indication you got from any article.
Just point out where the hell JSH said or anyone said about changing BH
rubber according to what you said in the other forum.........
Then you have me convinced....
Se
my
and
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: Connect the following two paragraphs, then tell us what you think (hint:
: keyword "motivation").
: 1.
: Won on First Meeting
: “I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
: Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
: racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
: 2.
: Table Turned
: However, quite amazingly, in Budapest the tables were turned completely and
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 27 Ruwen wrote:
I don't know if Joo changed his rubber or not, but for sure he changed his
style a little bit: more attacks with the forehand; some fast push and
smashes and SIDESPIN chop with the backhand. Also the chop have a different
trajectory and his movment is a little different. I'm not an expert, but the
possibility that Joo changed long pimples makes sense to me.
And also I think that the color of the sponge is mainly irrelevant: he can
have the sponge he wants-also sponge that are not on the market and that
hhave different hardness and thickness.
In my opinion can be also Feint Long 3 or Curl P4 (but I've never tried the
P4)
Welcome to the forum Ruwen.
I never noticed the sidespin chop... Need to look again, and that would
explain some of the misses from his opponents where they misread spin and
placement or trajectory. What I noticed in these last matches is the he more
often looped with less speed and more arc and spin, tricking his opponents
that were expecting high speed. They blocked his loops too long. Also, if
they didn't, Joo had more time to prepare for the next attack. This made me
think he changed his FH rubber to a softer/grippier one. Has anyone tried
T64fx?
I agree about the sponge, it could be whatever he chooses. But I belive he
has already tried Feint III (since he is sponsored by Bty) and didn't go
with that. Also, most of his opponents would instantly recognise his spins
if he would choose Curl P1r, I think. My guess is P4 with a special sponge.
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This is just an example. So far, no one knows for sure what JSH has changed on his racket. It is obvious that he had something changed at least. But do NOT tell me you heard the commentator said that. I know that is not true. |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 28 "The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
had changed his backhand rubber."
As you can see, the above sentence always had a "quote" sign whether I wrote
it here at mitbbs or earlier at Jiayuan. That's because it is a quote from
other people instead of my own claim. So writing it here or at jiayuan does
not reflect my own conviction that it's definitely true, as shown by my
careful wording through out this thread. Although I tend to believe that Joo
's changing his backhand rubber might very well turn out to be the case, I
made no effort to convince you or anyone else to think the same. If you
like to think I am trying to convince you anything, that's none of my
business. Period. |
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 29 Now you are mentioning it is a "quote". A quote has lots of meanings. If you
quote someone's word, shouldn't you say the reference? If you really were
just quoting instead of expressing your own opinion, why didn't you say that
clearly? You could have said "here is what I have seen in other website,
which in my opinion, may be true". Instead you were saying it as if you were
100% sure until I presented the proof that it is totally a 100% lie. As a
matter of fact, your "quote" is spreading a rumor and making it a fact in
some places no matter how you "think". I don't give a damn about what you
think but the truth. If I didn't bring that up, people here would have
thought that is a "truth". The point is a guess can NOT be the truth, even
if it may turned out to be true later. If you keep doing that, you may lose
your credibility. period. |
u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 30 两位偶象 please take it easy...
you
that
were
a
lose
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: Now you are mentioning it is a "quote". A quote has lots of meanings. If you
: quote someone's word, shouldn't you say the reference? If you really were
: just quoting instead of expressing your own opinion, why didn't you say that
: clearly? You could have said "here is what I have seen in other website,
: which in my opinion, may be true". Instead you were saying it as if you were
: 100% sure until I presented the proof that it is totally a 100% lie. As a
: matter of fact, your "quote" is spreading a rumor and making it a fact in
: some places no matter how you "think". I don't give a damn about what you
: think but the truth. If I didn't bring that up, people here would have
: thought that is a "truth". The point is a guess can NOT be the truth, even
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D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 31 很多削球手正手都不削了，不知道叫啥，全是回高侧旋？
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: 也很欣赏老朱，坚韧而有人品的韩国男人。
: 大概是正手的海绵换成薄的了，和过去相比，他的正手削球使用率高多了，而不是
: 太多的反拉。由于正反胶皮的不同，削过来的球旋转不一样，造成了对方判断的
: 难度。应该是现在他的削球打法更合理，两面先削住，然后伺机反拉，效果更好。
: 打法的改变应该能使他在乒坛前沿再奋战几年。
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 32 我管那叫
进攻型放高球
或者
防守型高调弧圈。
以前看过一采访，盖厅还是赛弗来着，管啊呸一轮的两面拉高调弧圈打法叫两面放高球。
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 很多削球手正手都不削了，不知道叫啥，全是回高侧旋？
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 33 aggressive lob
或者
defensive loop
球。
【在 H******n 的大作中提到】
: 我管那叫
: 进攻型放高球
: 或者
: 防守型高调弧圈。
: 以前看过一采访，盖厅还是赛弗来着，管啊呸一轮的两面拉高调弧圈打法叫两面放高球。
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 34 是盖廷把阿佩伊伦的两面弧圈讥之为“两面放高球”。
球。
【在 H******n 的大作中提到】
: 我管那叫
: 进攻型放高球
: 或者
: 防守型高调弧圈。
: 以前看过一采访，盖厅还是赛弗来着，管啊呸一轮的两面拉高调弧圈打法叫两面放高球。
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 35 希腊的吉奥尼斯就是这样的，正手兜一板常带侧旋的软弧圈，对手拉到他正手他就开始
反拉。候英超也常这么干，不过他正手还是有不少削的。
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 很多削球手正手都不削了，不知道叫啥，全是回高侧旋？
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 36 刘松，我在99年时看过他的一个比赛，反手退台削球还用得蛮多的，不知道为啥现在反
手那面基本就只在近台用了，稍微退台后就成了横板全台单面拉了，随着年岁的增长和
体力的下降，他这样打法恐怕持续不了多久了。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: "侧身用正手非常频繁"
: 他全在用正手啊。反手除了一开始水谷不适应骗了两分，后来基本可以不要了。
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c****e
发帖数: 695 | |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 38 ＃8 - 刘松（阿根廷，WR94，BTY Matsushita Pro/海夫蓝鲸III/Bomb Talent-OX）
刘松严格来说不算是“削球”打法，虽然也是正反反长，但几乎不退台削球，而象一个
横板单面拉的打法，主要在近台，以正手为主，反手的长胶也主要是用于近台的削挡，
侧身用正手非常频繁。
这是他在2011WTTC时跟水谷的比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 39 #7 - Filus Ruwen (德国,WR91,BTY Timo Boll Spark/T05, 2.1/Feint Long III, 1.1)
Ruwen是德国青年冠军，用一支芳基纤维板来削球，正手上旋相持实力很不错，反手削
球好像不是那么稳定。他的一个标志性击球是倒板用反胶在反手位上手拉球，我还在一
个录像里看到过他退台后还倒板用反手跟人对拉的。
这是他在欧锦赛上与俄罗斯的库兹明的比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 40 ＃6 －张成满(朝鲜, WR84, BTY Defence II/T64, 2.1/Feint Soft）
张成满就像当年朝鲜第一削球手李根相一样有着超人的步伐，无论是前后的移动还是左
右的移动都非常的迅捷，常常在防守时突然发起反攻，让对手防不胜防。
这场跟香港张钰的比赛看着真是极端的过瘾，乒乓球是可以这样的赏心悦目： |
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 41 #5 - Chtchetinine Evgueni (白俄罗斯, WR74, 俄国特制碳板/TSP triple-spin chop
1.2/TSP Curl P1-R,1.3)。
这位老萨的队友，基本上全是削球，很少或者几乎没有上旋反攻的球，还是那种经典的
削球打法，最后靠对手拉球失误来得分的。最令人惊异的是，他居然是用的一支加了碳
素的板子来这样打法，我估计是那种很薄的无序碳层，而且是碳层比较靠近里面木层的
那种碳板。
这是他在欧锦赛上跟波尔的比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 42 ＃4 - 刘燚 (中国, WR69, BTY Joo Se Hyuk/Tenergy 05/TSP Curl P1-R)
这位来自中国的小将，出身“盛产削球选手”的河北队（当年那个削球的王浩就出自那
里)，2007被调入国家队，2011年才开始出来参加公开赛，立刻有了出色的表现。在去
年他参加的第一个公开赛，韩国公开赛上，他接连削掉了香港的江天一和新加坡詹健，
最后败给了柳承敏。而在这一站的U21赛事中则获得了亚军，决赛输给了台北陈建安。
此后，他又在日本公开赛上首轮淘汰日本的直板悍将吉田海伟，但后来输给了日本小将
高木和桌。
这是他跟高木的那场比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 43 #3 - Gionis Panagiotis (希腊, WR49, Korbel ST/T05, 2.1/Feint Long II, 1.1)
这位吉奥尼斯有格林卡这个“暴徒”给他做陪练，能削得住那么重的球质，估计一般的
拉冲他接起来可能跟挠痒痒似的吧，呵呵！我记得08奥运他好像是表现不错的，打法上
反手位削为主，偶尔侧身。正手位基本没有削，喜欢兜一板后就开始反拉，步伐上则是显得较慢了些，可能年岁也不小了。
这是他最近欧锦赛上的比赛录像： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 44 #2 - 陈卫星 (奥地利, WR43, BTY Defence II /紫海绵海夫蓝鲸 III /TSP Curl P1-R
, 1.0)
老陈作为海外兵团的代表人物，以削球这种很耗体力的打法，这么多年了还能维持这么
高的竟技水准，实在是难能可贵。虽然脾气挺大的，但多是因为打丢了他认为自己应该
打到的球而发怒。当然，也有过跟裁判耍“大牌”的事件。不过，他的球还是很有观赏
性的，那种在场上喜怒形于色的风格也多少让本来沉闷的比赛显得更有趣了，呵呵！
他跟波尔的一场比赛： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 45 #1 - "The one and only" 朱世赫 (韩国, WR8!!! BTY Diode w/BTY Joo Se Hyuk handle/T64,1.9/Grass D.TecS 1.6 )
唯一名列世界前10的削球手，全球削球界无可争议的教主，过去十年唯一打入过世锦赛
决赛的削球手，也是中国队最看重的一个对手。他用的是一把已经停产的BTY Diode削
球板，换上了BTY JSH的手柄。胶皮则是换过好几次，从Tackfire Drive 1.9/TSP Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
反手换成跟队友朴美英一样的Tibhar Grass D'Techs(1.6), 到现在神秘的“new backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
乒器究竟是什么了，呵呵！
前几天匈牙利公开赛4：0战胜张继科： |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | |
n****l
发帖数: 6652 | 47 好帖要顶。
很喜欢老朱，人品也很好。
? )
Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: #1 - "The one and only" 朱世赫 (韩国, WR8!!! BTY Diode w/BTY Joo Se Hyuk handle/T64,1.9/Grass D.TecS 1.6 )
: 唯一名列世界前10的削球手，全球削球界无可争议的教主，过去十年唯一打入过世锦赛
: 决赛的削球手，也是中国队最看重的一个对手。他用的是一把已经停产的BTY Diode削
: 球板，换上了BTY JSH的手柄。胶皮则是换过好几次，从Tackfire Drive 1.9/TSP Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: 反手换成跟队友朴美英一样的Tibhar Grass D'Techs(1.6), 到现在神秘的“new backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
: 乒器究竟是什么了，呵呵！
: 前几天匈牙利公开赛4：0战胜张继科：
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j*g
发帖数: 820 | 48 朱原来用了神秘的“new backhand rubber"呀。
中国队原来打他都是先拉加转到他的反手，拉球弧度高，速度慢，稳定。等他回球偏高
偏短时，再暴打一拍大角度。
匈牙利时，对他的反手削球，却不约而同的拉速度快弧线低的球，类似小爆冲。这种球
朱回的很好，回球快，弧度低。弄的攻方很别扭。不知道他的反手回球到底时什么旋转
性质。估计是因为新胶皮，和以前的回球的旋转很不一样。
? )
Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: #1 - "The one and only" 朱世赫 (韩国, WR8!!! BTY Diode w/BTY Joo Se Hyuk handle/T64,1.9/Grass D.TecS 1.6 )
: 唯一名列世界前10的削球手，全球削球界无可争议的教主，过去十年唯一打入过世锦赛
: 决赛的削球手，也是中国队最看重的一个对手。他用的是一把已经停产的BTY Diode削
: 球板，换上了BTY JSH的手柄。胶皮则是换过好几次，从Tackfire Drive 1.9/TSP Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: 反手换成跟队友朴美英一样的Tibhar Grass D'Techs(1.6), 到现在神秘的“new backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
: 乒器究竟是什么了，呵呵！
: 前几天匈牙利公开赛4：0战胜张继科：
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 49 赫赫，老潘的意思是朱世赫8年就用一块底板，从来不换。。。
把反手胶皮换换，正手换成1.9的就可以把正手削球质量练上去了。。。。
【在 j*g 的大作中提到】
: 朱原来用了神秘的“new backhand rubber"呀。
: 中国队原来打他都是先拉加转到他的反手，拉球弧度高，速度慢，稳定。等他回球偏高
: 偏短时，再暴打一拍大角度。
: 匈牙利时，对他的反手削球，却不约而同的拉速度快弧线低的球，类似小爆冲。这种球
: 朱回的很好，回球快，弧度低。弄的攻方很别扭。不知道他的反手回球到底时什么旋转
: 性质。估计是因为新胶皮，和以前的回球的旋转很不一样。
:
: ? )
: Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
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l******l
发帖数: 2679 | 50 也很欣赏老朱，坚韧而有人品的韩国男人。
大概是正手的海绵换成薄的了，和过去相比，他的正手削球使用率高多了，而不是
太多的反拉。由于正反胶皮的不同，削过来的球旋转不一样，造成了对方判断的
难度。应该是现在他的削球打法更合理，两面先削住，然后伺机反拉，效果更好。
打法的改变应该能使他在乒坛前沿再奋战几年。
【在 n****l 的大作中提到】
: 好帖要顶。
: 很喜欢老朱，人品也很好。
:
: ? )
: Curl P1-R, 1.5，到正手换成T64,1.9,到
: backhand rubber", 应该不久就会弄清他的
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 51 我刚才看错了，以为他说JSH刚换成t64 1.9呢。。。
记得两年多前，JSH就换成t64了，所以才误认为从t64 2.1换成1.9了，
又去查了下，人家本来就用的t64 1.9。。。
你要说，反面胶皮换了，对正面产生影响，也许有一定道理。。。
不过，是个人都看出来JSH这次的正手球变转了，
我就不懂，为啥有些人非要去猜测人家换了反手胶皮呢？
我比较肤浅，不明白其中深奥之处，
哪位高人给解释解释反手这次JSH有啥改进之处？
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: 也很欣赏老朱，坚韧而有人品的韩国男人。
: 大概是正手的海绵换成薄的了，和过去相比，他的正手削球使用率高多了，而不是
: 太多的反拉。由于正反胶皮的不同，削过来的球旋转不一样，造成了对方判断的
: 难度。应该是现在他的削球打法更合理，两面先削住，然后伺机反拉，效果更好。
: 打法的改变应该能使他在乒坛前沿再奋战几年。
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 52 还有北大牛人号称听到了JSH承认自己换反手胶皮的绯闻。。。。
后来发现是人家2年前承认的。。。。。。
呵呵 |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 53 "The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
had changed his backhand rubber."
是匈牙利公开赛上老朱对克里桑这场半决赛的解说员当时说“朱换了反手胶皮”了。
正手，老朱从Tackfire Drive到T64，都是用的1.9厚的海绵，而不是2.1的。
至于好拉拉前面提到的正手球质的加强，这个有可能是蝴蝶为他特制了新的不同密度的
海绵，也有可能是韩国人也像中国队一样找到了更好的Booster的方法，比如灌什么神
油啥的。
刚刚在看朱跟小许的比赛，小许对他反手削过来的球好像失误是增多了，反手胶皮很可
能是有变化，不一定就是换了型号，也许还是Grass D Techs, 但用了不同的海绵(or
厚度，or both)，另外，长胶海绵也可以灌Booster或者神油，性能绝对会有点变化，
我所在俱乐部一个正反反长的老兄就玩这个，他灌过Booster后削过来的球确实比较更
奇怪一点，主要是在高点左右显得更飘乎，更让人对不上点。 |
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 54
请问这句话是谁说的？？？
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: "The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
: had changed his backhand rubber."
: 是匈牙利公开赛上老朱对克里桑这场半决赛的解说员当时说“朱换了反手胶皮”了。
: 正手，老朱从Tackfire Drive到T64，都是用的1.9厚的海绵，而不是2.1的。
: 至于好拉拉前面提到的正手球质的加强，这个有可能是蝴蝶为他特制了新的不同密度的
: 海绵，也有可能是韩国人也像中国队一样找到了更好的Booster的方法，比如灌什么神
: 油啥的。
: 刚刚在看朱跟小许的比赛，小许对他反手削过来的球好像失误是增多了，反手胶皮很可
: 能是有变化，不一定就是换了型号，也许还是Grass D Techs, 但用了不同的海绵(or
: 厚度，or both)，另外，长胶海绵也可以灌Booster或者神油，性能绝对会有点变化，
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 55 现场解说员说的，某网友转述的。如果能再看一遍Full Match的录像，我们应该也能听
见吧。
我没有看完全那场的实况，当时人太困了，也没注意听解说。也许现在我可以再回去看
一遍录像，竖起耳朵仔细听听看解说员究竟说了这句话没有，呵呵！
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
:
: 请问这句话是谁说的？？？
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 56 你这句话，在家园直接造成了JSH更换反手胶皮的既成事实。。。
而且还害得我老人家回去花了1个小时，听了整场比赛。。。
原文如下，希望我的听写没有退步：
JSH surprised many perhaps here last night. He defeated the current world
champion and the no. 2 in the world, ZJK of China. Perhaps the surprising
element was that it was a 4:0 vicitory. Everyone is saying that JSH also
beat ZJK in the 2009 China open and JSH was saying he's actually changed his
rubber and perhaps that was the element that caused some problems for ZJK.
如果有人不信，可以自己去听听。。。。
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: 现场解说员说的，某网友转述的。如果能再看一遍Full Match的录像，我们应该也能听
: 见吧。
: 我没有看完全那场的实况，当时人太困了，也没注意听解说。也许现在我可以再回去看
: 一遍录像，竖起耳朵仔细听听看解说员究竟说了这句话没有，呵呵！
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 57 Read this:
http://www.ittf.com/_front_page/ittf_full_story1.asp?ID=26650&C
his
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 你这句话，在家园直接造成了JSH更换反手胶皮的既成事实。。。
: 而且还害得我老人家回去花了1个小时，听了整场比赛。。。
: 原文如下，希望我的听写没有退步：
: JSH surprised many perhaps here last night. He defeated the current world
: champion and the no. 2 in the world, ZJK of China. Perhaps the surprising
: element was that it was a 4:0 vicitory. Everyone is saying that JSH also
: beat ZJK in the 2009 China open and JSH was saying he's actually changed his
: rubber and perhaps that was the element that caused some problems for ZJK.
: 如果有人不信，可以自己去听听。。。。
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 58 And take a look at their record of encounters here:
Losing:
6/6/2009 China Open. Zhang 3:4 Joo
8/5/2009 Chinese Superleague. Zhang 0:3 Joo
Then start winning:
1/9/2010 Pro Tour Final. Zhang 4:2 Joo
10/30/2010 World Cup. Zhang 4:0 Joo
5/13/2011 WTTC. Zhang 4:0 Joo
11/13/2011 World Cup. Zhang 4:0 Joo
And Suddenly:
1/28/2012 Hungarian Open. Zhang 0:4 Joo
What rubber-related "problem" could Joo possibly cause to ZJK if his win
over ZJK in 2009 China Open was actually their FIRST encounter?
Joo is obviously talking about THIS time, about the loss of ZJK after a long
winning streak。。。。。。
his
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: 你这句话，在家园直接造成了JSH更换反手胶皮的既成事实。。。
: 而且还害得我老人家回去花了1个小时，听了整场比赛。。。
: 原文如下，希望我的听写没有退步：
: JSH surprised many perhaps here last night. He defeated the current world
: champion and the no. 2 in the world, ZJK of China. Perhaps the surprising
: element was that it was a 4:0 vicitory. Everyone is saying that JSH also
: beat ZJK in the 2009 China open and JSH was saying he's actually changed his
: rubber and perhaps that was the element that caused some problems for ZJK.
: 如果有人不信，可以自己去听听。。。。
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 59 你不觉得你的主观臆断显得证据不足吗？
1。我并不同意ittf那文章上说的是这次。
Won on First Meeting
“I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
请注意，这段话的前面的标题。09年改无机，JSH从tackifire换成t64，是非常正常的
。而且，朱的这句话09年媒体都报道过，有空自己去查。。。
2。你从哪句话里看出他说换了反手胶皮？？？ 我反正没看见。。。你怎么就确定是反
手胶皮了？最重要的是，你在家园说评论员说换的反手胶皮，我怎么一个字也没听到？ |
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 60 Won on First Meeting
“I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
Success against for Joo Se Hyuk in 2009 at the Harmony China Open in Suzhou
was victory in their first encounter at international level but since that
time, the verdict in world ranking events has always gone in favour of Zhang
Jike.
Three Meetings
In 2010, the two met on three occasions.
At the ITTF Pro Tour Grand Finals in Macao in January, Zhang Jike recorded a
six games victory before posting a four games success, in a best of five
games duel, when representing Volkswagen China against the World All Stars
Team in June.
Margin Ever Greater
On every occasion the margin of victory was becoming greater and when they
met in October in the German city of Magdeburg, Zhang Jike won in four
straight games in their first stage duel.
It was a margin of victory he repeated in 2011 on his way to clinching the
top prize at the GAC GROUP World Championships in Rotterdam and at the
Liebherr Men’s World Cup in Paris.
Table Turned
However, quite amazingly, in Budapest the tables were turned completely and
the comment made by Joo Se Hyuk regarding motivation would seem to have
validity.
In June last year, at the Volkswagen China Open in Shenzhen, Zhang Jike lost
to Korea’s unpredictable Seo Hyun Deok; the Korean is a fine player but
Zhang Jike did not seem to be motivated on that occasion, mentally he did
not seemed attuned.
Now, in Budapest it would seem to have been a similar scenario.
请仔细阅读全文。。。
谁要说第一段文字是指的这次2012年换胶皮的事，我只能认为他的英语水平跟某北大牛
人一样烂了。。。。。。嘿嘿。。。 |
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k***n
发帖数: 849 | 61 "侧身用正手非常频繁"
他全在用正手啊。反手除了一开始水谷不适应骗了两分，后来基本可以不要了。
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: ＃8 - 刘松（阿根廷，WR94，BTY Matsushita Pro/海夫蓝鲸III/Bomb Talent-OX）
: 刘松严格来说不算是“削球”打法，虽然也是正反反长，但几乎不退台削球，而象一个
: 横板单面拉的打法，主要在近台，以正手为主，反手的长胶也主要是用于近台的削挡，
: 侧身用正手非常频繁。
: 这是他在2011WTTC时跟水谷的比赛：
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 62 Connect the following two paragraphs, then tell us what you think (hint:
keyword "motivation").
1.
Won on First Meeting
“I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
2.
Table Turned
However, quite amazingly, in Budapest the tables were turned completely and
the comment made by Joo Se Hyuk regarding motivation would seem to have
validity
Se
my
Suzhou
Zhang
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: Won on First Meeting
: “I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
: Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
: racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
: Success against for Joo Se Hyuk in 2009 at the Harmony China Open in Suzhou
: was victory in their first encounter at international level but since that
: time, the verdict in world ranking events has always gone in favour of Zhang
: Jike.
: Three Meetings
: In 2010, the two met on three occasions.
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 63 I am not arguing with you with any indication you got from any article.
Just point out where the hell JSH said or anyone said about changing BH
rubber according to what you said in the other forum.........
Then you have me convinced....
Se
my
and
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: Connect the following two paragraphs, then tell us what you think (hint:
: keyword "motivation").
: 1.
: Won on First Meeting
: “I beat him in 2009 in the quarter-finals of the China Open”, said Joo Se
: Hyuk. “I felt he was not totally motivated, I have changed the rubber on my
: racket; perhaps that caused him problems.”
: 2.
: Table Turned
: However, quite amazingly, in Budapest the tables were turned completely and
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h****a
发帖数: 97 | 64 Ruwen wrote:
I don't know if Joo changed his rubber or not, but for sure he changed his
style a little bit: more attacks with the forehand; some fast push and
smashes and SIDESPIN chop with the backhand. Also the chop have a different
trajectory and his movment is a little different. I'm not an expert, but the
possibility that Joo changed long pimples makes sense to me.
And also I think that the color of the sponge is mainly irrelevant: he can
have the sponge he wants-also sponge that are not on the market and that
hhave different hardness and thickness.
In my opinion can be also Feint Long 3 or Curl P4 (but I've never tried the
P4)
Welcome to the forum Ruwen.
I never noticed the sidespin chop... Need to look again, and that would
explain some of the misses from his opponents where they misread spin and
placement or trajectory. What I noticed in these last matches is the he more
often looped with less speed and more arc and spin, tricking his opponents
that were expecting high speed. They blocked his loops too long. Also, if
they didn't, Joo had more time to prepare for the next attack. This made me
think he changed his FH rubber to a softer/grippier one. Has anyone tried
T64fx?
I agree about the sponge, it could be whatever he chooses. But I belive he
has already tried Feint III (since he is sponsored by Bty) and didn't go
with that. Also, most of his opponents would instantly recognise his spins
if he would choose Curl P1r, I think. My guess is P4 with a special sponge.
=======================================================================
This is just an example. So far, no one knows for sure what JSH has changed on his racket. It is obvious that he had something changed at least. But do NOT tell me you heard the commentator said that. I know that is not true. |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 65 "The ITTF commentator for the Joo Se Hyuk vs Adrian Crisan match said Joo
had changed his backhand rubber."
As you can see, the above sentence always had a "quote" sign whether I wrote
it here at mitbbs or earlier at Jiayuan. That's because it is a quote from
other people instead of my own claim. So writing it here or at jiayuan does
not reflect my own conviction that it's definitely true, as shown by my
careful wording through out this thread. Although I tend to believe that Joo
's changing his backhand rubber might very well turn out to be the case, I
made no effort to convince you or anyone else to think the same. If you
like to think I am trying to convince you anything, that's none of my
business. Period. |
h****a
发帖数: 97 | 66 Now you are mentioning it is a "quote". A quote has lots of meanings. If you
quote someone's word, shouldn't you say the reference? If you really were
just quoting instead of expressing your own opinion, why didn't you say that
clearly? You could have said "here is what I have seen in other website,
which in my opinion, may be true". Instead you were saying it as if you were
100% sure until I presented the proof that it is totally a 100% lie. As a
matter of fact, your "quote" is spreading a rumor and making it a fact in
some places no matter how you "think". I don't give a damn about what you
think but the truth. If I didn't bring that up, people here would have
thought that is a "truth". The point is a guess can NOT be the truth, even
if it may turned out to be true later. If you keep doing that, you may lose
your credibility. period. |
u*********r
发帖数: 2735 | 67 两位偶象 please take it easy...
you
that
were
a
lose
【在 h****a 的大作中提到】
: Now you are mentioning it is a "quote". A quote has lots of meanings. If you
: quote someone's word, shouldn't you say the reference? If you really were
: just quoting instead of expressing your own opinion, why didn't you say that
: clearly? You could have said "here is what I have seen in other website,
: which in my opinion, may be true". Instead you were saying it as if you were
: 100% sure until I presented the proof that it is totally a 100% lie. As a
: matter of fact, your "quote" is spreading a rumor and making it a fact in
: some places no matter how you "think". I don't give a damn about what you
: think but the truth. If I didn't bring that up, people here would have
: thought that is a "truth". The point is a guess can NOT be the truth, even
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D***e
发帖数: 48486 | 68 很多削球手正手都不削了，不知道叫啥，全是回高侧旋？
【在 l******l 的大作中提到】
: 也很欣赏老朱，坚韧而有人品的韩国男人。
: 大概是正手的海绵换成薄的了，和过去相比，他的正手削球使用率高多了，而不是
: 太多的反拉。由于正反胶皮的不同，削过来的球旋转不一样，造成了对方判断的
: 难度。应该是现在他的削球打法更合理，两面先削住，然后伺机反拉，效果更好。
: 打法的改变应该能使他在乒坛前沿再奋战几年。
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 69 我管那叫
进攻型放高球
或者
防守型高调弧圈。
以前看过一采访，盖厅还是赛弗来着，管啊呸一轮的两面拉高调弧圈打法叫两面放高球。
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 很多削球手正手都不削了，不知道叫啥，全是回高侧旋？
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H******n
发帖数: 4072 | 70 aggressive lob
或者
defensive loop
球。
【在 H******n 的大作中提到】
: 我管那叫
: 进攻型放高球
: 或者
: 防守型高调弧圈。
: 以前看过一采访，盖厅还是赛弗来着，管啊呸一轮的两面拉高调弧圈打法叫两面放高球。
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 71 是盖廷把阿佩伊伦的两面弧圈讥之为“两面放高球”。
球。
【在 H******n 的大作中提到】
: 我管那叫
: 进攻型放高球
: 或者
: 防守型高调弧圈。
: 以前看过一采访，盖厅还是赛弗来着，管啊呸一轮的两面拉高调弧圈打法叫两面放高球。
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 72 希腊的吉奥尼斯就是这样的，正手兜一板常带侧旋的软弧圈，对手拉到他正手他就开始
反拉。候英超也常这么干，不过他正手还是有不少削的。
【在 D***e 的大作中提到】
: 很多削球手正手都不削了，不知道叫啥，全是回高侧旋？
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P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 73 刘松，我在99年时看过他的一个比赛，反手退台削球还用得蛮多的，不知道为啥现在反
手那面基本就只在近台用了，稍微退台后就成了横板全台单面拉了，随着年岁的增长和
体力的下降，他这样打法恐怕持续不了多久了。
【在 k***n 的大作中提到】
: "侧身用正手非常频繁"
: 他全在用正手啊。反手除了一开始水谷不适应骗了两分，后来基本可以不要了。
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 74 i chatted with him at USOPen 2000, at the dinner table with Wei, Qinguang..
Liu Song told me he started as a penholder, but with a weaker backhand,
his coach from Guangxi(same as Wei's) suggested him to change to shakehand,
but his backhand as shakehand was still very weak, so he changed to LP in
his backhand.
Now, 12 years later, he still could win Pam-Am men's single to qualify for
London 2012, good for him!
【在 P****S 的大作中提到】
: 刘松，我在99年时看过他的一个比赛，反手退台削球还用得蛮多的，不知道为啥现在反
: 手那面基本就只在近台用了，稍微退台后就成了横板全台单面拉了，随着年岁的增长和
: 体力的下降，他这样打法恐怕持续不了多久了。
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 75 So Lin Ju is not on the top 100 now as a chopper?
i was an interpreter for him when he tried to register at 04 USOPen,
he went to top16 at Olympics before he lost to Wang Hao, i
remembered he used to reach 40+ in world ranking. |
P****S
发帖数: 2457 | 76 As recently as March 2012, he was ranked #105。However, he's back in top 100
last month, ranked at #76。
他的最高世界排名是第39位，2005－2006那段时间。
04年雅典奥运打入16强确实是他职业生涯的顶峰，他还在05年的克罗地亚公开赛和09年
的波兰公开赛打入了8强。
此外，林聚获得过两次泛美运动会乒乓球单打冠军，以及三次拉美乒乓球锦标赛冠军(
包括最近的两次,2011和2012)。
这是他2007年泛美运动会击败刘松夺得冠军的那场比赛视频
【在 c****1 的大作中提到】
: So Lin Ju is not on the top 100 now as a chopper?
: i was an interpreter for him when he tried to register at 04 USOPen,
: he went to top16 at Olympics before he lost to Wang Hao, i
: remembered he used to reach 40+ in world ranking.
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c****1
发帖数: 5654 | 77 good for him, he should qualify for London this year, right?
he paired with Chen, Weixing in doubles at USOPen 2004, he told
most of time he spent was not at DOM, whereas in Europe, he
played in Spain super leagues back to those years. |
O******2
发帖数: 210 | |
