L******0
发帖数: 29 | 1 请教各位，有谁曾办理过J-1豁免, 但J 1 签证是第三国资助的？
我从新加坡来美国工作（H1B)，后来又上学，毕业后做了一年博后，去了第四国工作。
在第大四国工作时，因合作项目，到密西根大学作4个月的短期工作（J-1, two-year
home-country presence applied). J-1 全部费用是由第四国提供。因家人一直在美国
，我现在是拿H4 visa, 太太已递交I-485。我曾经两次把J 1豁免申请材料送到芝加哥
领事馆，都被退回。第一次退回理由是我没有美国公司的雇佣信。上帝呀，没有鸡哪有
蛋啦。第二次退回理由还是因为没有美国公司的雇佣信，我多次解释我需要办永久身份
。但仍被退货，但芝加哥领事馆负责人建议我到洛杉矶（现居住所在地）领事馆申请。
当我到洛杉矶领事馆申请时，大使说我应该到芝加哥办理。很失望，为什么中国使馆还
是这种工作方式。请教各位，谁有类似的case敬请指导和分享你的经验，非常感恩。 |
s**u
发帖数: 9035 | 2 你转语言学校，或Community College
混个学生身份，拿到I-20 from，你可以申请了。 |
c*******r
发帖数: 6971 | 3 你都H4了，为啥还需要豁免？
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
: 请教各位，有谁曾办理过J-1豁免, 但J 1 签证是第三国资助的？
: 我从新加坡来美国工作（H1B)，后来又上学，毕业后做了一年博后，去了第四国工作。
: 在第大四国工作时，因合作项目，到密西根大学作4个月的短期工作（J-1, two-year
: home-country presence applied). J-1 全部费用是由第四国提供。因家人一直在美国
: ，我现在是拿H4 visa, 太太已递交I-485。我曾经两次把J 1豁免申请材料送到芝加哥
: 领事馆，都被退回。第一次退回理由是我没有美国公司的雇佣信。上帝呀，没有鸡哪有
: 蛋啦。第二次退回理由还是因为没有美国公司的雇佣信，我多次解释我需要办永久身份
: 。但仍被退货，但芝加哥领事馆负责人建议我到洛杉矶（现居住所在地）领事馆申请。
: 当我到洛杉矶领事馆申请时，大使说我应该到芝加哥办理。很失望，为什么中国使馆还
: 是这种工作方式。请教各位，谁有类似的case敬请指导和分享你的经验，非常感恩。
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 4 H4 is not allowed to work and not allowed to change to the immigration
status neither.
【在 c*******r 的大作中提到】
: 你都H4了，为啥还需要豁免？
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c*******r
发帖数: 6971 | 5 你如果J需要豁免，不可能给你办H4吧？
再说H4为啥不能提交485？
你确定是H4？
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
: H4 is not allowed to work and not allowed to change to the immigration
: status neither.
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 6 H4 签证是H1B的家属签证，有点像F2一样。但不可以换成H1B or 交485，因为如果 我
的J1 visa 没有豁免的话。所以我很失望。 |
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 7
Thank you for the idea, I will try if there is no other means.
Does any know if it is allowed to file the J1 waiver under different
Consulate office. My J1 was attached to the university of Michigan, not now
I am living in the Los Angeles, can I submit to the general consulate office
in LA?
Thanks a lot
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: 你转语言学校，或Community College
: 混个学生身份，拿到I-20 from，你可以申请了。
|
s**u
发帖数: 9035 | 8 Yes, if currently you are living in that area.
now
office
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
:
: Thank you for the idea, I will try if there is no other means.
: Does any know if it is allowed to file the J1 waiver under different
: Consulate office. My J1 was attached to the university of Michigan, not now
: I am living in the Los Angeles, can I submit to the general consulate office
: in LA?
: Thanks a lot
|
a****n
发帖数: 2031 | 9 没太看明白你的问题。
也有可能你的J1是不需要豁免，但是如果是需要豁免的J1，而你又没有豁免，你是不能
转H签证，不管是H1还是H4，和能否工作无关。
当然也有可能转身份时候除了错误，没有豁免你就转成H4，那你目前实际上是没有了身
份，这种情况你就很麻烦了。
所以你现在首先要搞明白的是，你的J1是否需要豁免。
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
: H4 签证是H1B的家属签证，有点像F2一样。但不可以换成H1B or 交485，因为如果 我
: 的J1 visa 没有豁免的话。所以我很失望。
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 10 I took J1 in 2010 for 4 months, Later I left for J1, than came back US for
B1 and B2 (attending conference and visit my family) in 2010 and 2011.
in 2012, I finish my job in the 3rd country, and applied H4 and return to US
. Now I am in H4.
I think it is ok to obtain any other visas as long as not H1B, O, or file
485. I filed I-140 before I went to the 3rd country, and my wife filed her I
-140. both were approved and ready to submit the 485. My wife submitted
already, but I did not, since I think I have J1 without waiver yet. this is
why I need J 1 waiver.
My H4 visa was issued outside US (in the 3rd country, where I was working),
not just change the status in the US. |
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a****n
发帖数: 2031 | 11 你还是对签证有误区。
如果给你的H4是对的，你就可以直接递交485，不需要豁免。
如果你的J1需要豁免，你就不能在拿到豁免前得到H4，签证官也有可能犯错误，或者申
请H4之前你没有提供以前J1信息。
所以，你先要确定你以前的J1是否需要豁免
US
I
is
,
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
: I took J1 in 2010 for 4 months, Later I left for J1, than came back US for
: B1 and B2 (attending conference and visit my family) in 2010 and 2011.
: in 2012, I finish my job in the 3rd country, and applied H4 and return to US
: . Now I am in H4.
: I think it is ok to obtain any other visas as long as not H1B, O, or file
: 485. I filed I-140 before I went to the 3rd country, and my wife filed her I
: -140. both were approved and ready to submit the 485. My wife submitted
: already, but I did not, since I think I have J1 without waiver yet. this is
: why I need J 1 waiver.
: My H4 visa was issued outside US (in the 3rd country, where I was working),
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 12
Shmu, thank you for the information. Do you know if anyone applied the
waiver via the consulate near his living area, not the consulate where the
university attended with J1.
for example, I attended to the University of Michigan, which is managed by
Chicago consulate, but I am living in the Los Angeles.
Anyone did similar case like this please kindly reply.
Since officer in Los Angeles told me I should apply via Chicago.
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: Yes, if currently you are living in that area.
:
: now
: office
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 13
===============
Thanks for the valuable input.
the DS2019 and visa on my passport indicated there is a two-year home
country presence apply.
my J1 was only good for 6 months, and I only used for 4 months. After the J1
expiration, I applied B1/B2 at the same US visa office in the same year.
This year I applied H4 to return to US at the same US visa office. So I
believe without J1 waiver, it is not a problem to obtain a H4 visa.
As you said may be the mistake of VO to issue me the H4. But I did not find
any info. about the J1 must be waivered before get H4.
Does anyone have any opinion on it?
I have sent a request for Advisory Opinion form DOS, and will see if I
indeed need to get ride of J1 or not.
Thanks
【在 a****n 的大作中提到】
: 你还是对签证有误区。
: 如果给你的H4是对的，你就可以直接递交485，不需要豁免。
: 如果你的J1需要豁免，你就不能在拿到豁免前得到H4，签证官也有可能犯错误，或者申
: 请H4之前你没有提供以前J1信息。
: 所以，你先要确定你以前的J1是否需要豁免
:
: US
: I
: is
: ,
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s**u
发帖数: 9035 | 14 Ｔａｌｋ ｔｏ Ｃｏｎｓｕｌａｔｅ ｉｎ ＬＡ ｆｏｒ ｙｏｕｒ ｃａｓｅ．
J1
find
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
:
: ===============
: Thanks for the valuable input.
: the DS2019 and visa on my passport indicated there is a two-year home
: country presence apply.
: my J1 was only good for 6 months, and I only used for 4 months. After the J1
: expiration, I applied B1/B2 at the same US visa office in the same year.
: This year I applied H4 to return to US at the same US visa office. So I
: believe without J1 waiver, it is not a problem to obtain a H4 visa.
: As you said may be the mistake of VO to issue me the H4. But I did not find
|
s**u
发帖数: 9035 | 15 Ｓｅｅ ｔｏｐ ６ ａｎｄ ｔｏｐ ４ ｐｏｓｔ．
【在 a****n 的大作中提到】
: 没太看明白你的问题。
: 也有可能你的J1是不需要豁免，但是如果是需要豁免的J1，而你又没有豁免，你是不能
: 转H签证，不管是H1还是H4，和能否工作无关。
: 当然也有可能转身份时候除了错误，没有豁免你就转成H4，那你目前实际上是没有了身
: 份，这种情况你就很麻烦了。
: 所以你现在首先要搞明白的是，你的J1是否需要豁免。
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 16
==========
THANK YOU Shmu, I have talked to the officer in charge in LA. He said my
case 好象是 跨地区。He asked me to submit to the Chicago office.
Do you have any info. on some one processed his application under so called
跨地区. If I know such so called 跨地区 happened on someone before, I may
use the case to convince the officer in LA.
中国政府真的应该帮助中国人啊。
【在 s**u 的大作中提到】
: Ｔａｌｋ ｔｏ Ｃｏｎｓｕｌａｔｅ ｉｎ ＬＡ ｆｏｒ ｙｏｕｒ ｃａｓｅ．
:
: J1
: find
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a****n
发帖数: 2031 | 17 如果你的J1需要豁免，而你在豁免之前就用H4，你可能有大麻烦。
不管是谁的错，你现在已经没有身份，从你使用H4那天开始算起。
J1
find
【在 L******0 的大作中提到】
:
: ==========
: THANK YOU Shmu, I have talked to the officer in charge in LA. He said my
: case 好象是 跨地区。He asked me to submit to the Chicago office.
: Do you have any info. on some one processed his application under so called
: 跨地区. If I know such so called 跨地区 happened on someone before, I may
: use the case to convince the officer in LA.
: 中国政府真的应该帮助中国人啊。
|
L******0
发帖数: 29 | 18
＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝＝
Thanks for your view. In fact, my H4 was applied outside US, and I used it
to come, I don't worry this much. It can be searched from internet, there
are some arguments on this point, but 张瑞哲dealt a case and he said no
need waiver before H4. An Indian guy could not get a H4 for his wife from a
US Consulate in Indian, since his wife had who J 1 before.
But I believe J1 must be waivered before submitting 485.
【在 a****n 的大作中提到】
: 如果你的J1需要豁免，而你在豁免之前就用H4，你可能有大麻烦。
: 不管是谁的错，你现在已经没有身份，从你使用H4那天开始算起。
:
: J1
: find
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s*a
发帖数: 39 | 19 我前一段时间发了帖子求助，见
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Reunion/31493837.html
网上查找了很多资料，听到了的意见几乎都是没有J签证的豁免，H4根本拿不到。前面
一些成功拿到H4的都被认为是VO看走眼了。我也是将信将疑，但我还是本着VO都是有经
验的人，有着很强的专业敏感性，DS160表上，明确注明要表示是否曾经有过J签证，护
照上的旧J签证也明白写着two-year residence requirement，VO不会傻到这些信息都
无视。
老婆孩子今天都拿到了H4，结合前面我看到的种种例子，我坚信VO没走眼，H4签证不需
要J豁免也能拿。这点信息拿来分享，也是希望能帮到跟我老婆情况差不多的兄弟姐妹
。虽然拿到了H4，我还是同一楼主的观点，485前还是要把这两年给消掉，或是豁免掉J
。另外，我老婆是short-term visiting scholar，半年都不到，这次没有豁免J，拿到
了H4，是不是与这个有关系就不知道了。 |
c*******r
发帖数: 6971 | 20 我咋记得半年不到的短期J不需要豁免？
要是这样的话，你老婆不是因为办H4不需要J豁免，而是她本身就不需要豁免
掉J
【在 s*a 的大作中提到】
: 我前一段时间发了帖子求助，见
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/Reunion/31493837.html
: 网上查找了很多资料，听到了的意见几乎都是没有J签证的豁免，H4根本拿不到。前面
: 一些成功拿到H4的都被认为是VO看走眼了。我也是将信将疑，但我还是本着VO都是有经
: 验的人，有着很强的专业敏感性，DS160表上，明确注明要表示是否曾经有过J签证，护
: 照上的旧J签证也明白写着two-year residence requirement，VO不会傻到这些信息都
: 无视。
: 老婆孩子今天都拿到了H4，结合前面我看到的种种例子，我坚信VO没走眼，H4签证不需
: 要J豁免也能拿。这点信息拿来分享，也是希望能帮到跟我老婆情况差不多的兄弟姐妹
: 。虽然拿到了H4，我还是同一楼主的观点，485前还是要把这两年给消掉，或是豁免掉J
|
s*a
发帖数: 39 | 21 多谢carhunter，不过我老婆的J签证页和DS2019表上却是表明这个two years FFR是使
用的。网上不少信息都显示，VO有时只是根据一定的判断，做出了subjec 或 not
subject的判断，但未必任何情况下都正确，不确定还是要获得DoS的advisory opinion
,这是最权威的。譬如：
Determining Your Requirement
In some instances, you will find the notation: “bearer is (is not) subject
to 212.e home residency rule” on your J-1 visa stamp and a second notation
on your DS-2019 form. This notation is not a final determination and in some
cases is issued in error (none of the three criteria above apply in your
case). If you think the notation is in error, contact an OISS adviser.
http://www.yale.edu/oiss/immigration/common/j1scholars/home.htm
Do not assume that your visa stamp or DS-2019 have been marked correctly by
U.S. government agencies, especially if any of the above "subject" criteria
apply. When an advisor feels the assessment has been made in error, a
request will be made for an advisory opinion from the U.S. Department of
State.
http://internationaloffice.berkeley.edu/two-year_requirement
至于我老婆的case，我想还是到了美国之后要一下DoS的advisory opinion，倒是就会
清楚了。 |
