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Programming版 - Silverlight Developers: Are You Going to Move On?
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话题: sl话题: js话题: web话题: h5
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P********e
发帖数: 2610
1
http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/11/html5.php
MS真是有趣,经常自己扇自己巴掌。
s***o
发帖数: 2191
2
and they do it more and more frequently.
go Ballmer go

【在 P********e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/11/html5.php
: MS真是有趣,经常自己扇自己巴掌。

f*****Q
发帖数: 1912
3
搬个小板凳等Neverlearn。
t****t
发帖数: 6806
4
do people want to be thick road!
(i was tempted to say the same thing last night but cancelled...)

【在 f*****Q 的大作中提到】
: 搬个小板凳等Neverlearn。
l******e
发帖数: 12192
5
主要是我记不住名字了

【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: do people want to be thick road!
: (i was tempted to say the same thing last night but cancelled...)

P********e
发帖数: 2610
6
忘记贴视频了
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EdDc7sWjCL4

http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/11/html5.php
MS真是有趣,经常自己扇自己巴掌。

【在 P********e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/11/html5.php
: MS真是有趣,经常自己扇自己巴掌。

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
7
SL is simply too little too late after flash is there for years.
It makes sense for Windows Mobile platform, as there's no competition
there. Much like how iPhone doesn't support Java.
I said this years ago, so I am not horse behind cannon.

【在 P********e 的大作中提到】
: http://www.readwriteweb.com/hack/2010/11/html5.php
: MS真是有趣,经常自己扇自己巴掌。

N***m
发帖数: 4460
8
IPhone does not support JAVA?
How about other products?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: SL is simply too little too late after flash is there for years.
: It makes sense for Windows Mobile platform, as there's no competition
: there. Much like how iPhone doesn't support Java.
: I said this years ago, so I am not horse behind cannon.

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
9
iPhone doesn't support a lot of things, like Java, Flash.
Not that it can't, it chooses not to.
You pretty much have to use objective C/C/C++ on iOS

【在 N***m 的大作中提到】
: IPhone does not support JAVA?
: How about other products?

c**t
发帖数: 2744
10
MS is good at playing late game. But if MS won't play the game, it's another
story.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: SL is simply too little too late after flash is there for years.
: It makes sense for Windows Mobile platform, as there's no competition
: there. Much like how iPhone doesn't support Java.
: I said this years ago, so I am not horse behind cannon.

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c++这种语言注定了会越做越小有什么 online 编辑文档的工具?
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a***x
发帖数: 26368
11
qie,去dotnet版看

【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: do people want to be thick road!
: (i was tempted to say the same thing last night but cancelled...)

s***o
发帖数: 2191
12
exactly. and SL is good not just for Windows Phone but for many other
things. the more I know SL, the more I feel how powerful it is and how
much potential it has.
being a success or a failure, it all depends on M$'s attitude. There are
strong anti-silverlight parties even within Microsoft. If M$ makes a few
more "strategic shifts", then the whole story will be over soon...

another

【在 c**t 的大作中提到】
: MS is good at playing late game. But if MS won't play the game, it's another
: story.

D*******a
发帖数: 3688
13
政治斗争牺牲品,很可惜。

【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: exactly. and SL is good not just for Windows Phone but for many other
: things. the more I know SL, the more I feel how powerful it is and how
: much potential it has.
: being a success or a failure, it all depends on M$'s attitude. There are
: strong anti-silverlight parties even within Microsoft. If M$ makes a few
: more "strategic shifts", then the whole story will be over soon...
:
: another

N********n
发帖数: 8363
14
What's this brouhaha all about? It's not like suddenly Javascript stops
stinking to be good enough to compete with first class PLs like C#/Java
so that we can indeed write sth more useful than "Hello World" with it.
Javascript is still a screwy dynamic language good at saving only the dev
time while leaving a ton of hidden mess for QA or, worse, customers. You
cannot write large-scale apps w/ it. HTML as an APP framework will never
be taken seriously until they replace Javascript w/ sth more capable.
All MSFT says is SL fits right at home with line of business apps, which
is the bread and butter if you are an Enterprise app developer. but if you
have to write some shallow JS "code once debug everywhere" pain in the a$$
web apps to meet the "reach" hype then IE9 fulfills your perverted desire.
Don't get fooled by this H5/JS hype. Google, the biggest H5 pumper, does
not even bother to implement their Android in H5 to walk their own walk.
What do you jump on that bandwagon for? The most appealing apps on iPhone
are all Object-C stuff. Have you seen Apple rushing to convert them into
H5/JS? Take it easy, put down the koolaid and move on.
g*****g
发帖数: 34805
15
JS stinks, but it's the preferred rich client to date. Because it's
supported
by every browser, and it's turned on for most people. Ever saw a bank site
dominated by Flash? No, and SL can't even scratch surface there.
We Java develpers are very serious enterprise app developer, mor so than
C# developers, we talk about ajax frameworks all day long, Flex occasionally,
SL is out of the question.
Google uses java for android, certainly the right approach, M$ can have
C# there for windows mobile, but again too little too late.
M$ is good at catch up game when they can use a free bundle strategy to kick
out the competition on desktop, like IE, MSN messenger. But always come
short
otherwise.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: What's this brouhaha all about? It's not like suddenly Javascript stops
: stinking to be good enough to compete with first class PLs like C#/Java
: so that we can indeed write sth more useful than "Hello World" with it.
: Javascript is still a screwy dynamic language good at saving only the dev
: time while leaving a ton of hidden mess for QA or, worse, customers. You
: cannot write large-scale apps w/ it. HTML as an APP framework will never
: be taken seriously until they replace Javascript w/ sth more capable.
: All MSFT says is SL fits right at home with line of business apps, which
: is the bread and butter if you are an Enterprise app developer. but if you
: have to write some shallow JS "code once debug everywhere" pain in the a$$

N********n
发帖数: 8363
16

A bank site is, well a site, some boring pages generated by server side
programs and then sent to client browsers. There's no need of RIA here
then of course a boring HTML/JS page is good enough.
One of our projects is with a medical firm on a collaborative diagnosis
online app. A large-scale undertaking here with lots requirement of rich
interactions and heavey GUI usage. So what do you suggest, using AJAX?
Hohoho. When? After they finalize the HTML5 draft in 2012?
Who's late here? And that's assuming it can even match the capacity of
SilverLight by 2012, which is a big if.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: JS stinks, but it's the preferred rich client to date. Because it's
: supported
: by every browser, and it's turned on for most people. Ever saw a bank site
: dominated by Flash? No, and SL can't even scratch surface there.
: We Java develpers are very serious enterprise app developer, mor so than
: C# developers, we talk about ajax frameworks all day long, Flex occasionally,
: SL is out of the question.
: Google uses java for android, certainly the right approach, M$ can have
: C# there for windows mobile, but again too little too late.
: M$ is good at catch up game when they can use a free bundle strategy to kick

f*****Q
发帖数: 1912
17
赞,拜读大作如醍醐灌顶啊!

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
: What's this brouhaha all about? It's not like suddenly Javascript stops
: stinking to be good enough to compete with first class PLs like C#/Java
: so that we can indeed write sth more useful than "Hello World" with it.
: Javascript is still a screwy dynamic language good at saving only the dev
: time while leaving a ton of hidden mess for QA or, worse, customers. You
: cannot write large-scale apps w/ it. HTML as an APP framework will never
: be taken seriously until they replace Javascript w/ sth more capable.
: All MSFT says is SL fits right at home with line of business apps, which
: is the bread and butter if you are an Enterprise app developer. but if you
: have to write some shallow JS "code once debug everywhere" pain in the a$$

f*****Q
发帖数: 1912
18
我前天晚上也想说,后来忍住了,结果昨天实在没忍住。

【在 t****t 的大作中提到】
: do people want to be thick road!
: (i was tempted to say the same thing last night but cancelled...)

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
19
I would suggest a desktop app there. Or something like Java webstart.
Let's check the list
1. Start from web, checked
2. Automatic upgrade, checked
3. Rich interface, checked
4. embed html, use JavaFx, checked
For serious users, desktop app is never a problem. Of course flex is
another option. You can even go 3D there if you want. Are you trying to
argue SL is not late in the game compared to Flex?

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: A bank site is, well a site, some boring pages generated by server side
: programs and then sent to client browsers. There's no need of RIA here
: then of course a boring HTML/JS page is good enough.
: One of our projects is with a medical firm on a collaborative diagnosis
: online app. A large-scale undertaking here with lots requirement of rich
: interactions and heavey GUI usage. So what do you suggest, using AJAX?
: Hohoho. When? After they finalize the HTML5 draft in 2012?
: Who's late here? And that's assuming it can even match the capacity of
: SilverLight by 2012, which is a big if.

N********n
发帖数: 8363
20

JavaFX, Flex or SL are all fine options with strong server side support.
Bottom line, H5/JS is good only for mediocre sub-10000-line apps. Coders
have to give up rich for reach over there despite H5's hype.
It seems that the IE team in MSFT is pulling strings behind the scene to
sell their product and this Bob Muglia fool is buying it. Stupid.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: I would suggest a desktop app there. Or something like Java webstart.
: Let's check the list
: 1. Start from web, checked
: 2. Automatic upgrade, checked
: 3. Rich interface, checked
: 4. embed html, use JavaFx, checked
: For serious users, desktop app is never a problem. Of course flex is
: another option. You can even go 3D there if you want. Are you trying to
: argue SL is not late in the game compared to Flex?

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javascript才是未来发展的方向大家 JavaScript 用的多么?
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r****y
发帖数: 26819
21
说到这个,这医药网站,可以参考google map。

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: JavaFX, Flex or SL are all fine options with strong server side support.
: Bottom line, H5/JS is good only for mediocre sub-10000-line apps. Coders
: have to give up rich for reach over there despite H5's hype.
: It seems that the IE team in MSFT is pulling strings behind the scene to
: sell their product and this Bob Muglia fool is buying it. Stupid.

r****y
发帖数: 26819
22
Flex把actionscript作为中间代码。GWT把js作为中间代码。要维护的不是as或者js。
SL还是跟微软的平台坚守战方向不符。

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: JavaFX, Flex or SL are all fine options with strong server side support.
: Bottom line, H5/JS is good only for mediocre sub-10000-line apps. Coders
: have to give up rich for reach over there despite H5's hype.
: It seems that the IE team in MSFT is pulling strings behind the scene to
: sell their product and this Bob Muglia fool is buying it. Stupid.

N********n
发帖数: 8363
23

I don't know much about AS but I can assure you JS is a 豆腐渣 language.
That's the bottom line. If you wanna build a serious app you should code
it in a robust PL. If you do it w/ 豆腐渣 instead you are in for a crash.

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: Flex把actionscript作为中间代码。GWT把js作为中间代码。要维护的不是as或者js。
: SL还是跟微软的平台坚守战方向不符。

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
24
Gmail says hello, Gmap says hello.
Show me an SL app that is as popular and you may have a point.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: I don't know much about AS but I can assure you JS is a 豆腐渣 language.
: That's the bottom line. If you wanna build a serious app you should code
: it in a robust PL. If you do it w/ 豆腐渣 instead you are in for a crash.

N********n
发帖数: 8363
25

Didn't Gmail just embarrassingly blow the LA Government contract after all
the HTML5 hype b/c, get a load of this, it cannot sort emails. Hello?! LA
government wonders why GMail cannot sort while even the lamest non-web
email client can. It is only popular as a junk email collector where you
don't bother sorting nothing or doing anything serious for that matter.
GMap is mostly a server side app not written in Javascript, OK? Client
side JS contributes about what, 1 or 2% of the whole thing?
As for SL apps, try FreeStockCharts.com. One of the best, if not THE best,
online stock chart services available.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Gmail says hello, Gmap says hello.
: Show me an SL app that is as popular and you may have a point.

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
26
OK, Gmail cannot sort emails, true, but why do you need that when
you can find the email from a few keywords?
Gmail is heavily in JS. The entire UI is. The server side isn't differnt
from other webmail barring good junk mail detection. Something M$ could
never achieve with their hotmail. You can have a webmail
in SL whatever and you need a server piece as well. AJAX is why gmail is
popular
FreeStockCharts is pretty good, but far from popular.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Didn't Gmail just embarrassingly blow the LA Government contract after all
: the HTML5 hype b/c, get a load of this, it cannot sort emails. Hello?! LA
: government wonders why GMail cannot sort while even the lamest non-web
: email client can. It is only popular as a junk email collector where you
: don't bother sorting nothing or doing anything serious for that matter.
: GMap is mostly a server side app not written in Javascript, OK? Client
: side JS contributes about what, 1 or 2% of the whole thing?
: As for SL apps, try FreeStockCharts.com. One of the best, if not THE best,
: online stock chart services available.

r****y
发帖数: 26819
27
以GMap在客户端能做到的技术而言,我猜你说的那个医药网站,应该不会有什么超过
的了。换句话说,不管你怎么评价js,js一样可以做出高质量的客户端应用来,只不过
有的不是直接用js来写,而是用别的工具生成js,比如GWT。

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: Didn't Gmail just embarrassingly blow the LA Government contract after all
: the HTML5 hype b/c, get a load of this, it cannot sort emails. Hello?! LA
: government wonders why GMail cannot sort while even the lamest non-web
: email client can. It is only popular as a junk email collector where you
: don't bother sorting nothing or doing anything serious for that matter.
: GMap is mostly a server side app not written in Javascript, OK? Client
: side JS contributes about what, 1 or 2% of the whole thing?
: As for SL apps, try FreeStockCharts.com. One of the best, if not THE best,
: online stock chart services available.

r****y
发帖数: 26819
28
我也不了解这个FreeStockCharts,有什么别的语言工具做不出来的独特之处么?

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: OK, Gmail cannot sort emails, true, but why do you need that when
: you can find the email from a few keywords?
: Gmail is heavily in JS. The entire UI is. The server side isn't differnt
: from other webmail barring good junk mail detection. Something M$ could
: never achieve with their hotmail. You can have a webmail
: in SL whatever and you need a server piece as well. AJAX is why gmail is
: popular
: FreeStockCharts is pretty good, but far from popular.

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
29
没有,比较花的就是可以画线之类,不过ajax也可以做出来。

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 我也不了解这个FreeStockCharts,有什么别的语言工具做不出来的独特之处么?
N********n
发帖数: 8363
30

You can compare Google Docs with any version of Office, and I guarantee
you GDocs would have their butt handed back to them on a plate. That's
how much 高质量 JS really provides.
The fact programmers dodge writing JS clients directly and choose to code
it in Java first and then convert it into JS via GWT instead shows it's
not as desirous a solution as these H5 pumpers have promised.
You can be sure we won't implement that serious medical software in JS.
JS is sth I wish our tough competition would fully embrace. :-)

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 我也不了解这个FreeStockCharts,有什么别的语言工具做不出来的独特之处么?
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805
31
Are you serious try to compare a desktop client to web client?
Of course desktop client has higher quality, but you can't run
it without installation, or if at all on linux, mac, or any mobile
platform including windows mobile, how is that? Gmail runs even
for low end cellphone. You receive update from time to time for outlook fix
gmail doesn't do that.
If you want, compare outlook web access to gmail, OWA is a joke.
Or hotmail, I wonder why M$ doesn't showcase SL with hotmail and
hotmail is using AJAX too? And if you are a diehard outlook fan,
try yahoo mail, that looks almost like outlook, in AJAX. I've yet
to see an oulook in SL.
I mean, js is a crappy language, I hope it looks like java too. But
it's there and it's successful. More so than SL. And before you can
showcase SL with a killing app M$ can be proud of, they shouldn't be
mentioned in the same sentence.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You can compare Google Docs with any version of Office, and I guarantee
: you GDocs would have their butt handed back to them on a plate. That's
: how much 高质量 JS really provides.
: The fact programmers dodge writing JS clients directly and choose to code
: it in Java first and then convert it into JS via GWT instead shows it's
: not as desirous a solution as these H5 pumpers have promised.
: You can be sure we won't implement that serious medical software in JS.
: JS is sth I wish our tough competition would fully embrace. :-)

r****y
发帖数: 26819
32
讨论的不是web app吗?为啥跟desktop app比?
微软的SL有什么跟Google Docs比较的web app吗?
或者问具体点吧,微软的SL既然比js好,为啥他们的Bing Map要拿js来做,不用SL?
SL展示地图的Deep Zoom技术为啥不拿出来用在他们的Bing Map上呢?
要我说,killer app最有杀伤力,SL说服Flex/Ajax支持者的最好办法,不是口水,
而是做出一个能打倒Gmap的地图web app来。起码,要做一个别人没法取代的火起来,
Ajax/js有GDocs,Gmap,SL到现在为止,有啥?能有啥?会有啥?那个医药网站吗?
至于为啥大的web app更喜欢避免直接写js代码,我觉得这在某种程度上可以类比
微软的.NET平台的程序不会直接写MSIL代码。这不是因为MSIL有啥不好,而是因为这种
中间层语言不适合拿来写应用程序。js也是一样,直接用来做一段小的功能实现可以,
直接用来写大的应用不行。建立在js上的那些framework其实就表明了这个事实。
看看其它几种web app的做法吧:Flex,平台是Flash plugin,用mxml写,编译生成swf。
SL,平台是SL plugin,用xaml写,编译生成xap。Flex app不是仅仅拿actionscript直接
写的。所以类似于语法都完全相同的as,js也不适合直接拿来做大的web app的编程语
言。在这一点上,js和as的地位和特点是完全一致的。

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You can compare Google Docs with any version of Office, and I guarantee
: you GDocs would have their butt handed back to them on a plate. That's
: how much 高质量 JS really provides.
: The fact programmers dodge writing JS clients directly and choose to code
: it in Java first and then convert it into JS via GWT instead shows it's
: not as desirous a solution as these H5 pumpers have promised.
: You can be sure we won't implement that serious medical software in JS.
: JS is sth I wish our tough competition would fully embrace. :-)

N********n
发帖数: 8363
33

You want show cases, you get one. Windows Mobile 7 is a Silverlight show
case. Can anyone write a mobile platform in H5/JS to match what SL gives?
Palm gambled on that only to send themselves straight to collapse.
The only thing H5 brags about is cross-platform. Guess what? No one cares
about the geeky cross-platform as the only thing ever gets crossed is the
lowest common denominator functionality, such as text-based email apps.
People don't buy an iPHone b/c it displays GMail well. People buy it b/c
it has multi-touch (that JS CANNOT do) and accelerometer (that W3C cannot
even spell). Object-C has been in a steady uptrend since iPhone comes out
while JS is in decline, which is a fat SHOW CASE of what truly matters.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Are you serious try to compare a desktop client to web client?
: Of course desktop client has higher quality, but you can't run
: it without installation, or if at all on linux, mac, or any mobile
: platform including windows mobile, how is that? Gmail runs even
: for low end cellphone. You receive update from time to time for outlook fix
: gmail doesn't do that.
: If you want, compare outlook web access to gmail, OWA is a joke.
: Or hotmail, I wonder why M$ doesn't showcase SL with hotmail and
: hotmail is using AJAX too? And if you are a diehard outlook fan,
: try yahoo mail, that looks almost like outlook, in AJAX. I've yet

f*****Q
发帖数: 1912
34
"People buy it b/c it has multi-touch (that JS CANNOT do)"
您确信?
参阅
http://matt.might.net/articles/how-to-native-iphone-ipad-apps-in-javascript/

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You want show cases, you get one. Windows Mobile 7 is a Silverlight show
: case. Can anyone write a mobile platform in H5/JS to match what SL gives?
: Palm gambled on that only to send themselves straight to collapse.
: The only thing H5 brags about is cross-platform. Guess what? No one cares
: about the geeky cross-platform as the only thing ever gets crossed is the
: lowest common denominator functionality, such as text-based email apps.
: People don't buy an iPHone b/c it displays GMail well. People buy it b/c
: it has multi-touch (that JS CANNOT do) and accelerometer (that W3C cannot
: even spell). Object-C has been in a steady uptrend since iPhone comes out

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
35
LOL, how many WM7 phones have been sold?
So you are saying SL has been completely beaten by JS for web client
but it will prevail in mobile world?
well, I think there's no need to argue about web client no more as
M$ itself is not using it but JS for hotmail, maps etc.
For WM7, I don't think it will be more successful than iphone/android.
Plus, JS web app works for iphone/android/WM7, SL can't do that.
I mean, if SL wants to prove itself superior over JS, it has to win
desktop battle first, as it won't be supported by most mobile platforms
to begin with.

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: You want show cases, you get one. Windows Mobile 7 is a Silverlight show
: case. Can anyone write a mobile platform in H5/JS to match what SL gives?
: Palm gambled on that only to send themselves straight to collapse.
: The only thing H5 brags about is cross-platform. Guess what? No one cares
: about the geeky cross-platform as the only thing ever gets crossed is the
: lowest common denominator functionality, such as text-based email apps.
: People don't buy an iPHone b/c it displays GMail well. People buy it b/c
: it has multi-touch (that JS CANNOT do) and accelerometer (that W3C cannot
: even spell). Object-C has been in a steady uptrend since iPhone comes out

s***o
发帖数: 2191
36
Try Office Web Apps. You don't have to have Silverlight installed on
your machine, but the Silverlight version will provide better user
experience for sure.
For Bing maps, I believe there are two version too - Ajax version and
Silverlight verstion, where the SL version is positioned to offer
richer, more dynamic features and a smoother experience. I haven't
played with Bing maps though.

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 讨论的不是web app吗?为啥跟desktop app比?
: 微软的SL有什么跟Google Docs比较的web app吗?
: 或者问具体点吧,微软的SL既然比js好,为啥他们的Bing Map要拿js来做,不用SL?
: SL展示地图的Deep Zoom技术为啥不拿出来用在他们的Bing Map上呢?
: 要我说,killer app最有杀伤力,SL说服Flex/Ajax支持者的最好办法,不是口水,
: 而是做出一个能打倒Gmap的地图web app来。起码,要做一个别人没法取代的火起来,
: Ajax/js有GDocs,Gmap,SL到现在为止,有啥?能有啥?会有啥?那个医药网站吗?
: 至于为啥大的web app更喜欢避免直接写js代码,我觉得这在某种程度上可以类比
: 微软的.NET平台的程序不会直接写MSIL代码。这不是因为MSIL有啥不好,而是因为这种
: 中间层语言不适合拿来写应用程序。js也是一样,直接用来做一段小的功能实现可以,

c**t
发帖数: 2744
37
To complete stdio's post about bing maps:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/library/ee681884.aspx
http://www.microsoft.com/showcase/en/us/details/3fb4372b-cb8c-410b-a665-993017b15875

【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: Try Office Web Apps. You don't have to have Silverlight installed on
: your machine, but the Silverlight version will provide better user
: experience for sure.
: For Bing maps, I believe there are two version too - Ajax version and
: Silverlight verstion, where the SL version is positioned to offer
: richer, more dynamic features and a smoother experience. I haven't
: played with Bing maps though.

r****y
发帖数: 26819
38
Office Web Apps能打开在线pdf吗?
我也没怎么玩过bing maps。没发现需要用bing maps的理由,比如地图更旧。
微软许久以前用flash做的wallop还算当时别人都没有的东西,现在这样的亮点都
没了。

【在 s***o 的大作中提到】
: Try Office Web Apps. You don't have to have Silverlight installed on
: your machine, but the Silverlight version will provide better user
: experience for sure.
: For Bing maps, I believe there are two version too - Ajax version and
: Silverlight verstion, where the SL version is positioned to offer
: richer, more dynamic features and a smoother experience. I haven't
: played with Bing maps though.

S*********g
发帖数: 5298
39
bird eye view很清晰,你要是正在买房子的话,很合用
google map的地图更旧
去年的时候显示我们公司还是块空地。bing和mapquest当时都已经更新了。

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: Office Web Apps能打开在线pdf吗?
: 我也没怎么玩过bing maps。没发现需要用bing maps的理由,比如地图更旧。
: 微软许久以前用flash做的wallop还算当时别人都没有的东西,现在这样的亮点都
: 没了。

r****y
发帖数: 26819
40
但换个地点查,结论就相反了。bing的地图还是多年前的。

【在 S*********g 的大作中提到】
: bird eye view很清晰,你要是正在买房子的话,很合用
: google map的地图更旧
: 去年的时候显示我们公司还是块空地。bing和mapquest当时都已经更新了。

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c**t
发帖数: 2744
41
SL has grown to be much more than "just" a web plug-in. You can write out-of
-browser applications for PC and MAC, and now you can use it to write WP7
app. In the near future, it'll be expanded to other platform (topbox etc).
So opposing JS to SL is really shooting at the wrong target in my opinion.
SL has much better tooling, which is a big plus to dev community.

LOL, how many WM7 phones have been sold?
So you are saying SL has been completely beaten by JS for web client
but it will prevail in mobile world?
well, I think there's no need to argue about web client no more as
M$ itself is not using it but JS for hotmail, maps etc.
For WM7, I don't think it will be more successful than iphone/android.
Plus, JS web app works for iphone/android/WM7, SL can't do that.
I mean, if SL wants to prove itself superior over JS, it has to win
desktop battle first, as it won't be supported by most mobile platforms
to begin with.

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: LOL, how many WM7 phones have been sold?
: So you are saying SL has been completely beaten by JS for web client
: but it will prevail in mobile world?
: well, I think there's no need to argue about web client no more as
: M$ itself is not using it but JS for hotmail, maps etc.
: For WM7, I don't think it will be more successful than iphone/android.
: Plus, JS web app works for iphone/android/WM7, SL can't do that.
: I mean, if SL wants to prove itself superior over JS, it has to win
: desktop battle first, as it won't be supported by most mobile platforms
: to begin with.

N********n
发帖数: 8363
42

How many? How about lot more than any mobile platforms coded in H5/JS?
Who cares JS web apps work cross-platform when the only thing gets across
is the sluggish, minimum-interactive, unimpressive, can-do-without junk
like an email client?
Anytime you try to write a serious rich app w/ JS 豆腐渣, wheels start to
come off the H5/JS bus. You have to sugar-coat it with a GWT, or you have
to hack here and there. Once you have to hack instead of coding, you know
that thing sux, and that's what H5/JS is.
Look at this SL sample below for line of business apps, find me one JS
toolset that is as rich, comprehensive and handy. Hint: There is none so
don't waste your time trying.
http://demos.telerik.com/silverlight/#Controls

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: LOL, how many WM7 phones have been sold?
: So you are saying SL has been completely beaten by JS for web client
: but it will prevail in mobile world?
: well, I think there's no need to argue about web client no more as
: M$ itself is not using it but JS for hotmail, maps etc.
: For WM7, I don't think it will be more successful than iphone/android.
: Plus, JS web app works for iphone/android/WM7, SL can't do that.
: I mean, if SL wants to prove itself superior over JS, it has to win
: desktop battle first, as it won't be supported by most mobile platforms
: to begin with.

g*****g
发帖数: 34805
43
Look, talk is cheap. SL may be rich, but it's useless if nobody uses it.
Show me a killer app and we can talk. Hotmail is using ajax last time
I checked, so much about rich and easy development but M$ isn't using
it on their most popular web app, how ironitical is that?

【在 N********n 的大作中提到】
:
: How many? How about lot more than any mobile platforms coded in H5/JS?
: Who cares JS web apps work cross-platform when the only thing gets across
: is the sluggish, minimum-interactive, unimpressive, can-do-without junk
: like an email client?
: Anytime you try to write a serious rich app w/ JS 豆腐渣, wheels start to
: come off the H5/JS bus. You have to sugar-coat it with a GWT, or you have
: to hack here and there. Once you have to hack instead of coding, you know
: that thing sux, and that's what H5/JS is.
: Look at this SL sample below for line of business apps, find me one JS

r****y
发帖数: 26819
44
这应该跟air也差不多吧。就是个wrap。

of

【在 c**t 的大作中提到】
: SL has grown to be much more than "just" a web plug-in. You can write out-of
: -browser applications for PC and MAC, and now you can use it to write WP7
: app. In the near future, it'll be expanded to other platform (topbox etc).
: So opposing JS to SL is really shooting at the wrong target in my opinion.
: SL has much better tooling, which is a big plus to dev community.
:
: LOL, how many WM7 phones have been sold?
: So you are saying SL has been completely beaten by JS for web client
: but it will prevail in mobile world?
: well, I think there's no need to argue about web client no more as

r****y
发帖数: 26819
45
印象里SL最大的一个广告就是NBC拿来转播了08年奥运的视频。但老实说没看出比flv
平台有多好,大概也就是说:这是MS版本的alternative。
至于这些demo,有点像ComponentOne的demo风格和标准。就象糖果盒。呵呵。单纯JS
要做这么花哨当然要功夫,但是Flash/Flex做这些界面早就不是问题。比起几年前的
wallop,都不算惊艳。换句话说,如果别的工具已经能把web界面做成这样,再用SL重复
做出来有什么意义呢?
要说界面,2003年Terminator3的官方网站那个花哨和科幻,wallop的花哨和超前,
跟同时代其它界面的差距感,现在的SL都还没超过。SL还处于达到其它方法
alternative这样的境界。

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Look, talk is cheap. SL may be rich, but it's useless if nobody uses it.
: Show me a killer app and we can talk. Hotmail is using ajax last time
: I checked, so much about rich and easy development but M$ isn't using
: it on their most popular web app, how ironitical is that?

D*******a
发帖数: 3688
46
这里没人看netflix?

重复

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 印象里SL最大的一个广告就是NBC拿来转播了08年奥运的视频。但老实说没看出比flv
: 平台有多好,大概也就是说:这是MS版本的alternative。
: 至于这些demo,有点像ComponentOne的demo风格和标准。就象糖果盒。呵呵。单纯JS
: 要做这么花哨当然要功夫,但是Flash/Flex做这些界面早就不是问题。比起几年前的
: wallop,都不算惊艳。换句话说,如果别的工具已经能把web界面做成这样,再用SL重复
: 做出来有什么意义呢?
: 要说界面,2003年Terminator3的官方网站那个花哨和科幻,wallop的花哨和超前,
: 跟同时代其它界面的差距感,现在的SL都还没超过。SL还处于达到其它方法
: alternative这样的境界。

r****y
发帖数: 26819
47
http://www.hackingnetflix.com/2009/03/netflixs-silverlight-streaming-player-problems.html
大概跟我用mac看netflix有关吧,没看出比flv好在哪里。
netflix现在可以用appleTV直接在电视上看了,和SL没关系。

【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 这里没人看netflix?
:
: 重复

q********e
发帖数: 161
48
To original question: Yes, I will stay with SL. And Yes, SL/WPF is a much
better UI technologies than anything existing now.
However before anyone compare, you have to understand that SL still a PLUGIN
tool who has limitations, if you want to write a web app that targetting on
geneal users, pretty sure some percentage of people will refuse to download
plugins no matter how safe it is.
JS is pretty much standard now for web app, but not suitable for OOAD
purpose at all.
SL will be a great platform for most of the business applications which
normally can control the setup at customer sites.
The recent conflict comes out of MS regarding SL probably reflect their
internal politics (around IE9), all will play out within 1 or 2 years. I am
betting on SL. If you are using C# and SL, it is a no brainer.
BTW myself is a C# and Java developer, writing in C# is better than Java
under MS envoirnment.
Hope everyone well. :-)
g*****g
发帖数: 34805
49
I think we should get better understanding of AJAX world.
It's very difficult to build rich component using javascript,
but at the same time, it's possible. Thus there're vendors
providing this kind of components, and average developers
can build on top it, sometimes using zero lines of JS, this is
seen in frameworks like Vaadin. So you won't be able to build
any component at will, but if the existing lib can satisfy your
need, it's the better choice than other RIA alternatives.
This is somewhat like how people plug in Assembly/C code into
OO languages. AJAX won't fit all the project requirements, but
will continue to fit most of them, for this reason.

PLUGIN
on
download

【在 q********e 的大作中提到】
: To original question: Yes, I will stay with SL. And Yes, SL/WPF is a much
: better UI technologies than anything existing now.
: However before anyone compare, you have to understand that SL still a PLUGIN
: tool who has limitations, if you want to write a web app that targetting on
: geneal users, pretty sure some percentage of people will refuse to download
: plugins no matter how safe it is.
: JS is pretty much standard now for web app, but not suitable for OOAD
: purpose at all.
: SL will be a great platform for most of the business applications which
: normally can control the setup at customer sites.

c****e
发帖数: 1453
50
try OWA 2010. It blows Gmail away. hotmail is junk.

fix

【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: Are you serious try to compare a desktop client to web client?
: Of course desktop client has higher quality, but you can't run
: it without installation, or if at all on linux, mac, or any mobile
: platform including windows mobile, how is that? Gmail runs even
: for low end cellphone. You receive update from time to time for outlook fix
: gmail doesn't do that.
: If you want, compare outlook web access to gmail, OWA is a joke.
: Or hotmail, I wonder why M$ doesn't showcase SL with hotmail and
: hotmail is using AJAX too? And if you are a diehard outlook fan,
: try yahoo mail, that looks almost like outlook, in AJAX. I've yet

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c****e
发帖数: 1453
51
I started to realize the power of SL just from Bing map. The SL version
BingMap is much much smoother compared with JS version. Try it out! After
using it, I feel GMap is darn slow
I think SL will be strong in enterprise development. For consumer sites,
plugin model will be less and less appealing.

【在 r****y 的大作中提到】
: 讨论的不是web app吗?为啥跟desktop app比?
: 微软的SL有什么跟Google Docs比较的web app吗?
: 或者问具体点吧,微软的SL既然比js好,为啥他们的Bing Map要拿js来做,不用SL?
: SL展示地图的Deep Zoom技术为啥不拿出来用在他们的Bing Map上呢?
: 要我说,killer app最有杀伤力,SL说服Flex/Ajax支持者的最好办法,不是口水,
: 而是做出一个能打倒Gmap的地图web app来。起码,要做一个别人没法取代的火起来,
: Ajax/js有GDocs,Gmap,SL到现在为止,有啥?能有啥?会有啥?那个医药网站吗?
: 至于为啥大的web app更喜欢避免直接写js代码,我觉得这在某种程度上可以类比
: 微软的.NET平台的程序不会直接写MSIL代码。这不是因为MSIL有啥不好,而是因为这种
: 中间层语言不适合拿来写应用程序。js也是一样,直接用来做一段小的功能实现可以,

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