g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 1 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
情真是命好最重要。 |
N*****m
发帖数: 42603 | 2 世界那么大？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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w***g
发帖数: 5958 | 3 发了财的都是以前花时间想怎么发财的，程序写的好的都是花时间想怎么写程序的。
一个好了另一个自然就差。钻研怎么发财那些人是有可重复性的，很多人输个精光
后短时间内就能东山再起。马云你让他重新再来一次，未必能做得这么大，但
绝对不会小。靠写程序发财那是碰运气，没有可重复性。
我上次还问过赵策士兵和军官的问题。就算进了Navy SEAL，也还只是个士兵。
写程序的就是个士兵，程序写得再好，也还是个士兵。
话说看来还是我和你们netflix闲，有大把的时间上网灌水。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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l*******m
发帖数: 1096 | 4 趁机向上爬
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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l******n
发帖数: 9344 | 5 你让马云与现在为起点，他可以很快崛起因为他成功过，你如果让他以15年前为起点，
我估计没啥可能再成功。很多成功是不可复制的
【在 w***g 的大作中提到】
: 发了财的都是以前花时间想怎么发财的，程序写的好的都是花时间想怎么写程序的。
: 一个好了另一个自然就差。钻研怎么发财那些人是有可重复性的，很多人输个精光
: 后短时间内就能东山再起。马云你让他重新再来一次，未必能做得这么大，但
: 绝对不会小。靠写程序发财那是碰运气，没有可重复性。
: 我上次还问过赵策士兵和军官的问题。就算进了Navy SEAL，也还只是个士兵。
: 写程序的就是个士兵，程序写得再好，也还是个士兵。
: 话说看来还是我和你们netflix闲，有大把的时间上网灌水。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 6 经验和人脉。别的不说，风投喜欢投有成功先例CEO的。
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: 你让马云与现在为起点，他可以很快崛起因为他成功过，你如果让他以15年前为起点，
: 我估计没啥可能再成功。很多成功是不可复制的
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 7 他也就一个小小engineer manager，跟专研啥真没啥关系。
【在 w***g 的大作中提到】
: 发了财的都是以前花时间想怎么发财的，程序写的好的都是花时间想怎么写程序的。
: 一个好了另一个自然就差。钻研怎么发财那些人是有可重复性的，很多人输个精光
: 后短时间内就能东山再起。马云你让他重新再来一次，未必能做得这么大，但
: 绝对不会小。靠写程序发财那是碰运气，没有可重复性。
: 我上次还问过赵策士兵和军官的问题。就算进了Navy SEAL，也还只是个士兵。
: 写程序的就是个士兵，程序写得再好，也还是个士兵。
: 话说看来还是我和你们netflix闲，有大把的时间上网灌水。
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w***g
发帖数: 5958 | 8 我说的是让他回到15年前。要做到这么大某些特质是必须的。
据说孙正义5分钟就决定把钱给他了。
【在 l******n 的大作中提到】
: 你让马云与现在为起点，他可以很快崛起因为他成功过，你如果让他以15年前为起点，
: 我估计没啥可能再成功。很多成功是不可复制的
|
l******n
发帖数: 9344 | 9 这些特质理科生一般比较缺乏。中国的理科生和人打交道时间太少，学而优则仕的传统
观点行不通，现在更是沦为工具。劳心则至于人，现代社会技术人员也就是体力劳动者
分了
现在马总要成功，肯定没问题，只是觉得做不到现在这么大。
【在 w***g 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是让他回到15年前。要做到这么大某些特质是必须的。
: 据说孙正义5分钟就决定把钱给他了。
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h*******u
发帖数: 15326 | 10 你也快找个hot startup，说不定比你老板机会还好
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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s*****w
发帖数: 1527 | 11 哪里赚的钱？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 12 公司的股票。
【在 s*****w 的大作中提到】
: 哪里赚的钱？
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 13 Netflix?3 年从 80 涨到560.你是不是也差不多了?
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 公司的股票。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 14 我差多了。
【在 w**z 的大作中提到】
: Netflix?3 年从 80 涨到560.你是不是也差不多了?
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 15 如果一直买你们自己的option,估计也赚翻了吧。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我差多了。
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z****e
发帖数: 54598 | 16 你的钱主要去了房贷里面吧？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 我差多了。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 17 要舍得下重手，拿着不卖是行。都是马后炮。我老板就是呆得年头长，每年买10%能拿
住也轻松千万了。
【在 w**z 的大作中提到】
: 如果一直买你们自己的option,估计也赚翻了吧。
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 18 这太显然了
小钱靠拼，大钱靠命。
也就是小年轻二愣子相信靠自己能成功。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 19 搞笑了，再来一次马云可能连电子商务根本都没机会接触，或者更可能根本没机会一点
点锻炼自己，最可能的是有各种原因导致不敢冒险起家。
原因太多了。
【在 w***g 的大作中提到】
: 发了财的都是以前花时间想怎么发财的，程序写的好的都是花时间想怎么写程序的。
: 一个好了另一个自然就差。钻研怎么发财那些人是有可重复性的，很多人输个精光
: 后短时间内就能东山再起。马云你让他重新再来一次，未必能做得这么大，但
: 绝对不会小。靠写程序发财那是碰运气，没有可重复性。
: 我上次还问过赵策士兵和军官的问题。就算进了Navy SEAL，也还只是个士兵。
: 写程序的就是个士兵，程序写得再好，也还是个士兵。
: 话说看来还是我和你们netflix闲，有大把的时间上网灌水。
|
q*c
发帖数: 9453 | 20 那些特征是天上掉下来的？
你的最强核心竞争力都是老天爷在无意中帮你安排好的。 换个时刻就屁也不是。
【在 w***g 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是让他回到15年前。要做到这么大某些特质是必须的。
: 据说孙正义5分钟就决定把钱给他了。
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l******t
发帖数: 55733 | 21 逗b。nb的人做什么都成功。看看史玉柱褚时健
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 搞笑了，再来一次马云可能连电子商务根本都没机会接触，或者更可能根本没机会一点
: 点锻炼自己，最可能的是有各种原因导致不敢冒险起家。
: 原因太多了。
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B*****g
发帖数: 34098 | 22 能上位吗？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 23 都是运气。
看看做匿名message app的Secret，2个founder至少各自拿了3个M。其它更着他们做的
engineeer呢？当初看着这么热的公司，琢磨着怎么也可能赚一把吧。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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b*******s
发帖数: 5216 | 24 are they terminated? couple of days ago
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 都是运气。
: 看看做匿名message app的Secret，2个founder至少各自拿了3个M。其它更着他们做的
: engineeer呢？当初看着这么热的公司，琢磨着怎么也可能赚一把吧。
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 25 the app is shut down. the founders returns the money back to investors.
except some investors acquires the ip of this company. the employees
probably get no way to go.
【在 b*******s 的大作中提到】
: are they terminated? couple of days ago
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 26
What? Their employees are good and hot. They have many options to explore
right now.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: the app is shut down. the founders returns the money back to investors.
: except some investors acquires the ip of this company. the employees
: probably get no way to go.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 27 yes, they are free to go whatever they want to go.
What I said "no way to go" is that they are not like the company two
founders who have been awarded $3M/each. The employees gets nothing because
rest of he investment money has been returned back to the investors.
It's like you give up some better salary opportunity to join this company,
and hope you can make big bucks after a few years. After two years, you
found out you made some salary only. Your stock option is worthless.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: What? Their employees are good and hot. They have many options to explore
: right now.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 28
because
We have discussed about this before, if you just want to get rich, do NOT
work in startup. They chose to take this risk and they should be prepared
for this.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: yes, they are free to go whatever they want to go.
: What I said "no way to go" is that they are not like the company two
: founders who have been awarded $3M/each. The employees gets nothing because
: rest of he investment money has been returned back to the investors.
: It's like you give up some better salary opportunity to join this company,
: and hope you can make big bucks after a few years. After two years, you
: found out you made some salary only. Your stock option is worthless.
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p*u
发帖数: 2454 | 29 搞笑
【在 q*c 的大作中提到】
: 那些特征是天上掉下来的？
: 你的最强核心竞争力都是老天爷在无意中帮你安排好的。 换个时刻就屁也不是。
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 30 Joining startup is like gamble.
If you are OK with the pay and enjoy the work, then go for it. Whether you
will get anything from equity is mostly luck. One of my friends who have
done quite a few startups told me that if you join a startup because of the
equity, then 99.9% of the time, you will regret.
because
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: yes, they are free to go whatever they want to go.
: What I said "no way to go" is that they are not like the company two
: founders who have been awarded $3M/each. The employees gets nothing because
: rest of he investment money has been returned back to the investors.
: It's like you give up some better salary opportunity to join this company,
: and hope you can make big bucks after a few years. After two years, you
: found out you made some salary only. Your stock option is worthless.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 31 It's like betting lottery with much better odds, you don't always win, but
there's a chance to be rich.
It's much harder to be rich if you join FLG now.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: because
: We have discussed about this before, if you just want to get rich, do NOT
: work in startup. They chose to take this risk and they should be prepared
: for this.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 32 this is basically not true. We do know some people do get rich by joining a
startup.
it might not be as rich as that you can retire quickly, but you might get
some quick & big bugs to pay off your house.
If I join as a 100+ employee of a company, if the company won't exit as
IPOed, just acquired, I might get less than $300K as the best case. $300K
for a few years, it's like I use $60K($20K less per year) to exchange $300K.
it is still a good deal. As a 100+ employee, we probably have some idea
where this company could be.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: because
: We have discussed about this before, if you just want to get rich, do NOT
: work in startup. They chose to take this risk and they should be prepared
: for this.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 33 If you can get 150K cash in a startup, you probably can get 250K+ in FLG for
the package. So it's betting 100K every year. So in your example you earn
less.
a
300K.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: this is basically not true. We do know some people do get rich by joining a
: startup.
: it might not be as rich as that you can retire quickly, but you might get
: some quick & big bugs to pay off your house.
: If I join as a 100+ employee of a company, if the company won't exit as
: IPOed, just acquired, I might get less than $300K as the best case. $300K
: for a few years, it's like I use $60K($20K less per year) to exchange $300K.
: it is still a good deal. As a 100+ employee, we probably have some idea
: where this company could be.
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 34 不管饼画多大，给你150k 的startup 都不要考虑。
for
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: If you can get 150K cash in a startup, you probably can get 250K+ in FLG for
: the package. So it's betting 100K every year. So in your example you earn
: less.
:
: a
: 300K.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 35 我知道的startup现金基本就给150-170之间，全靠option画饼。难道还有200K+的
startup？
【在 w**z 的大作中提到】
: 不管饼画多大，给你150k 的startup 都不要考虑。
:
: for
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 36
I guess your definition of "being rich" is like "being super rich" in my
definition. If so, I agree with you. Startup is pretty much like "being
super rich(IPO or real acquisition)" or burst(close or so-called talent
acquisition). Middle ground is rare case for most normal employees.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: It's like betting lottery with much better odds, you don't always win, but
: there's a chance to be rich.
: It's much harder to be rich if you join FLG now.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 37
a
300K.
So you do know some people get rich by joining a super hot, promising
startup with 100+ employers. Sure, everybody knows that. Even some people on
this board might go through that pretty soon.
But "Startup" is such a broad term, super hot, promising startup backed by
famous VC is VERY RARE case in startup world. In most cases, you end up
earning less money and get nothing if you are not founder. And if you are
good enough to be hired by Google/Facebook/Twitter when they only have 100
employees, you will be good enough to be a middle level guy to work in big
company with very respectable salary(250k+ per year).
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: this is basically not true. We do know some people do get rich by joining a
: startup.
: it might not be as rich as that you can retire quickly, but you might get
: some quick & big bugs to pay off your house.
: If I join as a 100+ employee of a company, if the company won't exit as
: IPOed, just acquired, I might get less than $300K as the best case. $300K
: for a few years, it's like I use $60K($20K less per year) to exchange $300K.
: it is still a good deal. As a 100+ employee, we probably have some idea
: where this company could be.
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 38
for
just saw this post. Yep, that's my point.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: If you can get 150K cash in a startup, you probably can get 250K+ in FLG for
: the package. So it's betting 100K every year. So in your example you earn
: less.
:
: a
: 300K.
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 39 What do you mean super rich? Small black house is 2M, 300K poverty line won'
t make you rich at all.
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: for
: just saw this post. Yep, that's my point.
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s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 40 哪年进的N能退休啊？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 不到40，说是要趁娃没上学去周游世界。我看过他原来一些代码不怎么样。发财这个事
: 情真是命好最重要。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 41 他是06年进的，那之前的基本上都能退休了。
【在 s********k 的大作中提到】
: 哪年进的N能退休啊？
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s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 42 两个founder是某一轮自己搞的钱，结果地下的人全部没有套现？太狠了吧
because
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: yes, they are free to go whatever they want to go.
: What I said "no way to go" is that they are not like the company two
: founders who have been awarded $3M/each. The employees gets nothing because
: rest of he investment money has been returned back to the investors.
: It's like you give up some better salary opportunity to join this company,
: and hope you can make big bucks after a few years. After two years, you
: found out you made some salary only. Your stock option is worthless.
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s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 43 06年进去的能呆到现在也不容易，中间多少次潮起潮落，就像很多baba的员工都没有呆
到最后一样。他当时没跳槽难道是认定N好？还是各种原因阴差阳错呆下来了。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 他是06年进的，那之前的基本上都能退休了。
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 44
won'
300K can put you in a secure position to afford a 1.5M house, a nice luxury
car and housewife. That's like top life quality in US already. As an
engineer in SV, you may not think that's rich, but most other people in US
would put you in that category.
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: What do you mean super rich? Small black house is 2M, 300K poverty line won'
: t make you rich at all.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 45 那公司没有second market去套现这些options。
2个投资人在融上B轮时，有条款让他们能各自拿上$3M
现在有些super hot的都有这种条款。snapchat的CEO直接拿走了20M
【在 s********k 的大作中提到】
: 两个founder是某一轮自己搞的钱，结果地下的人全部没有套现？太狠了吧
:
: because
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 46 come on, as I know, most of startups can offer $150k/year salary for an
experienced key developers.
I don't really know if FLG can offer $250K+/year.
And most important, it's not everyone who can get into FLG.
The chance offered at $150K/year is much bigger than getting into FLG and
also earn $250K/year.
for
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: If you can get 150K cash in a startup, you probably can get 250K+ in FLG for
: the package. So it's betting 100K every year. So in your example you earn
: less.
:
: a
: 300K.
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 47 People are realistic enough to calculate what they could get.
For some companies, it's very hard to believe it will go IPO. like I said, I
can trade a few years for $300K or $400K more.
on
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: won'
: 300K can put you in a secure position to afford a 1.5M house, a nice luxury
: car and housewife. That's like top life quality in US already. As an
: engineer in SV, you may not think that's rich, but most other people in US
: would put you in that category.
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s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 48 当年Airbnb融资的时候，那个前FB VP投资人对founder私下靠融资来套现但是不给员工
一点非常不爽啊
http://allthingsd.com/20111001/vcs-unite-chamath-palihapitiya-d
结果现在CEO能套现员工不行已经成标准了？
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: 那公司没有second market去套现这些options。
: 2个投资人在融上B轮时，有条款让他们能各自拿上$3M
: 现在有些super hot的都有这种条款。snapchat的CEO直接拿走了20M
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 49 The way startup works is, even if you are super cow, you won't get much more
on cash, you'll get a lot of more on options though. So you are still
betting 100K your own money, though leverage is higher. And trust me, FLG
can easily offer 300K package for an experienced developer.
Those that can't get into FLG will have harder time to get into hot startups
. Startups are hot not because they offer more cash, it's more equity on
current valuation, which may or may not hit the valuation.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: come on, as I know, most of startups can offer $150k/year salary for an
: experienced key developers.
: I don't really know if FLG can offer $250K+/year.
: And most important, it's not everyone who can get into FLG.
: The chance offered at $150K/year is much bigger than getting into FLG and
: also earn $250K/year.
:
: for
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 50
Most people who are able to join a very good early stage startup can always
join FLG. The stories you read about "being rejected by FLG and then shined
in startup" are real, but very rare.
If the person you are trying to hire for your startup don't have or can not
have FLG options, then you are probably looking at the wrong person.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: come on, as I know, most of startups can offer $150k/year salary for an
: experienced key developers.
: I don't really know if FLG can offer $250K+/year.
: And most important, it's not everyone who can get into FLG.
: The chance offered at $150K/year is much bigger than getting into FLG and
: also earn $250K/year.
:
: for
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 51 it's a term the foundres can neogiate with investors and also some investors
like to pay founders cash to get more equity.
not sure if it's a standard but it happens.
【在 s********k 的大作中提到】
: 当年Airbnb融资的时候，那个前FB VP投资人对founder私下靠融资来套现但是不给员工
: 一点非常不爽啊
: http://allthingsd.com/20111001/vcs-unite-chamath-palihapitiya-d
: 结果现在CEO能套现员工不行已经成标准了？
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ET
发帖数: 10701 | 52 You guys live at Silicon Valley probably you know better than me.
Look at the angellist.com, you can see the expected salary in some "hot"
companies.
The hot companies don't not always mean Uber, Airbnb kind of hot. It might
mean the company has a reasonable revenune and profit. has a promising exist
strategy.
I give you a few examples, Polyvore, making money from the beginning (two
chinese founders), jobs2careers.com, just met its CEO last night. They don't
pay $250k/year for its engineers but they are very profitable.
I am talking about the majorities of health startups, not a few unicorns.
always
shined
not
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: Most people who are able to join a very good early stage startup can always
: join FLG. The stories you read about "being rejected by FLG and then shined
: in startup" are real, but very rare.
: If the person you are trying to hire for your startup don't have or can not
: have FLG options, then you are probably looking at the wrong person.
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 53 250k is excessive. for base, a well funded company should be able to pay a
key engineer maybe 180-200k
exist
't
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: You guys live at Silicon Valley probably you know better than me.
: Look at the angellist.com, you can see the expected salary in some "hot"
: companies.
: The hot companies don't not always mean Uber, Airbnb kind of hot. It might
: mean the company has a reasonable revenune and profit. has a promising exist
: strategy.
: I give you a few examples, Polyvore, making money from the beginning (two
: chinese founders), jobs2careers.com, just met its CEO last night. They don't
: pay $250k/year for its engineers but they are very profitable.
: I am talking about the majorities of health startups, not a few unicorns.
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 54 the way FLG interview people is ridiculous.
always
shined
not
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: Most people who are able to join a very good early stage startup can always
: join FLG. The stories you read about "being rejected by FLG and then shined
: in startup" are real, but very rare.
: If the person you are trying to hire for your startup don't have or can not
: have FLG options, then you are probably looking at the wrong person.
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 55 I think it is common nowadays. founders are able to cash out some of the
shares during the VC
rounds. it is good for both sides, not employees though.
investors
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: it's a term the foundres can neogiate with investors and also some investors
: like to pay founders cash to get more equity.
: not sure if it's a standard but it happens.
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 56 I am debating between the late stage startup vs early stage, all about risk
and reward.
more
startups
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: The way startup works is, even if you are super cow, you won't get much more
: on cash, you'll get a lot of more on options though. So you are still
: betting 100K your own money, though leverage is higher. And trust me, FLG
: can easily offer 300K package for an experienced developer.
: Those that can't get into FLG will have harder time to get into hot startups
: . Startups are hot not because they offer more cash, it's more equity on
: current valuation, which may or may not hit the valuation.
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s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 57 founder cash out没问题，但是那封信的point是只准founder cash out，而普通员工
一无所知就过分了，cash out应该给所有人都有这个机会
【在 w**z 的大作中提到】
: I think it is common nowadays. founders are able to cash out some of the
: shares during the VC
: rounds. it is good for both sides, not employees though.
:
: investors
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 58 从没听说过普通员工在VC round 有cash out. 都是founder 才有那些特殊条款的。
【在 s********k 的大作中提到】
: founder cash out没问题，但是那封信的point是只准founder cash out，而普通员工
: 一无所知就过分了，cash out应该给所有人都有这个机会
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c*******0
发帖数: 5247 | 59
exist
't
I have no doubt about your $150K/year in hot startup. Polyvore is certainly
one of the hot startups. but good engineers in Polyvore will certainly be
able to get FLG offer(most of their early engineers may actually come from
big companies) and have good chance of getting 250K/year.
Polyvore is founded at 2007. Say you join Polyvore at its fourth year(2010),
until today it's 5 years already. You earn 100k less there for 5 years.
Assume that Polyvore exit in 6 month in normal way and the evaluation is
200M(estimated based on their C series), you would need 0.25% equity after
two rounds of dilution to just break even, under the condition that it's not
a term intentionally benefits VC and founders more.
Of course the acquisition offer is very likely to be higher but your equity
might well be lower as an employee joining at 4th year. And even if in the
end of day you get more money than that, it's not significantly more and you
work so much harder during the 5 years.
The best case for startup employees to get super rich is that your company
becomes unicorn. In most other scenarios, money-wise you get marginally
better return at most, and much more likely you end up losing money.
So my point is, if you just want to become rich by doing startup, you either
becomes founder or super early employee in high level position, or you join
a unicorn startup(mid-late stage). Otherwise, you join not because of money
, but other things.
【在 ET 的大作中提到】
: You guys live at Silicon Valley probably you know better than me.
: Look at the angellist.com, you can see the expected salary in some "hot"
: companies.
: The hot companies don't not always mean Uber, Airbnb kind of hot. It might
: mean the company has a reasonable revenune and profit. has a promising exist
: strategy.
: I give you a few examples, Polyvore, making money from the beginning (two
: chinese founders), jobs2careers.com, just met its CEO last night. They don't
: pay $250k/year for its engineers but they are very profitable.
: I am talking about the majorities of health startups, not a few unicorns.
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w**z
发帖数: 8232 | 60 I will have to agree with you this time.
certainly
),
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: exist
: 't
: I have no doubt about your $150K/year in hot startup. Polyvore is certainly
: one of the hot startups. but good engineers in Polyvore will certainly be
: able to get FLG offer(most of their early engineers may actually come from
: big companies) and have good chance of getting 250K/year.
: Polyvore is founded at 2007. Say you join Polyvore at its fourth year(2010),
: until today it's 5 years already. You earn 100k less there for 5 years.
: Assume that Polyvore exit in 6 month in normal way and the evaluation is
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D*******a
发帖数: 3688 | 61 明白人呀
更何况2010年无论进FLG任何一家，现在equity上都远不只500k收益了
连peter thiel都说了其实对很多牛人来说，去大公司都是更实惠的选择
certainly
),
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: exist
: 't
: I have no doubt about your $150K/year in hot startup. Polyvore is certainly
: one of the hot startups. but good engineers in Polyvore will certainly be
: able to get FLG offer(most of their early engineers may actually come from
: big companies) and have good chance of getting 250K/year.
: Polyvore is founded at 2007. Say you join Polyvore at its fourth year(2010),
: until today it's 5 years already. You earn 100k less there for 5 years.
: Assume that Polyvore exit in 6 month in normal way and the evaluation is
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 62 2010年FL都是startup.
纪人) 的大作中提到: 】
【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 明白人呀
: 更何况2010年无论进FLG任何一家，现在equity上都远不只500k收益了
: 连peter thiel都说了其实对很多牛人来说，去大公司都是更实惠的选择
:
: certainly
: ),
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D*******a
发帖数: 3688 | 63 看你如何定义“startup”。
2010年1月FB的valuation是14b，11月是35b，已经比很多上市公司大很多了。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 2010年FL都是startup.
:
: 纪人) 的大作中提到: 】
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c*********e
发帖数: 16335 | 64 你说过是个老印吧？
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 他也就一个小小engineer manager，跟专研啥真没啥关系。
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 65 没上市的都是startup.
【在 D*******a 的大作中提到】
: 看你如何定义“startup”。
: 2010年1月FB的valuation是14b，11月是35b，已经比很多上市公司大很多了。
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h*****a
发帖数: 1718 | 66 说的很有道理。
certainly
),
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: exist
: 't
: I have no doubt about your $150K/year in hot startup. Polyvore is certainly
: one of the hot startups. but good engineers in Polyvore will certainly be
: able to get FLG offer(most of their early engineers may actually come from
: big companies) and have good chance of getting 250K/year.
: Polyvore is founded at 2007. Say you join Polyvore at its fourth year(2010),
: until today it's 5 years already. You earn 100k less there for 5 years.
: Assume that Polyvore exit in 6 month in normal way and the evaluation is
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g*****g
发帖数: 34805 | 67 跟我说的加入late stage的hot startup相似，一两年不IPO，投入也没那么多。当然能
看得准一把就退休。
【在 h*****a 的大作中提到】
: 说的很有道理。
:
: certainly
: ),
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h*****a
发帖数: 1718 | 68 去startup发大财的主要靠运气，vision基本上都是事后诸葛亮，呵呵。去一个自己
believe的公司相对来说自己能过的舒服点，不过也不能保证成功就是了。去late
stage的hot startup肯定是成功率最高的方案，发小财的机会比较大。
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: 跟我说的加入late stage的hot startup相似，一两年不IPO，投入也没那么多。当然能
: 看得准一把就退休。
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D**u
发帖数: 288 | 69 exit in 6 month 真准！
certainly
),
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: exist
: 't
: I have no doubt about your $150K/year in hot startup. Polyvore is certainly
: one of the hot startups. but good engineers in Polyvore will certainly be
: able to get FLG offer(most of their early engineers may actually come from
: big companies) and have good chance of getting 250K/year.
: Polyvore is founded at 2007. Say you join Polyvore at its fourth year(2010),
: until today it's 5 years already. You earn 100k less there for 5 years.
: Assume that Polyvore exit in 6 month in normal way and the evaluation is
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s********k
发帖数: 6180 | 70 神人，连退出的价格都估计得差不多啊
【在 D**u 的大作中提到】
: exit in 6 month 真准！
:
: certainly
: ),
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g*******t
发帖数: 7704 | 71 说明马云有多傻，多白眼狼，
【在 w***g 的大作中提到】
: 我说的是让他回到15年前。要做到这么大某些特质是必须的。
: 据说孙正义5分钟就决定把钱给他了。
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h******b
发帖数: 6055 | 72 正解。
我最近看了几个startup，算上福利基本上一年少五万到十万现金收入，当真是拿自己
钱玩option了。 牺牲工作稳
定性，大幅度延长工作时间。
作为普通员工，你在flg工作，拿多出来的钱投资，十个有九个startup员工都难以抗衡。
for
【在 g*****g 的大作中提到】
: If you can get 150K cash in a startup, you probably can get 250K+ in FLG for
: the package. So it's betting 100K every year. So in your example you earn
: less.
:
: a
: 300K.
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b***e
发帖数: 1419 | 73 我顶一下这个。有理有据。
certainly
),
【在 c*******0 的大作中提到】
:
: exist
: 't
: I have no doubt about your $150K/year in hot startup. Polyvore is certainly
: one of the hot startups. but good engineers in Polyvore will certainly be
: able to get FLG offer(most of their early engineers may actually come from
: big companies) and have good chance of getting 250K/year.
: Polyvore is founded at 2007. Say you join Polyvore at its fourth year(2010),
: until today it's 5 years already. You earn 100k less there for 5 years.
: Assume that Polyvore exit in 6 month in normal way and the evaluation is
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d*******r
发帖数: 3299 | 74 关键是投资也费神, 而且不一定赚
再加上码工普遍能写东西, 不太能投资
去startup的话, 强制自己锻炼, 回头能有自己单干的机会
不能说哪种选择一定好
衡。
【在 h******b 的大作中提到】
: 正解。
: 我最近看了几个startup，算上福利基本上一年少五万到十万现金收入，当真是拿自己
: 钱玩option了。 牺牲工作稳
: 定性，大幅度延长工作时间。
: 作为普通员工，你在flg工作，拿多出来的钱投资，十个有九个startup员工都难以抗衡。
:
: for
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h******b
发帖数: 6055 | 75 买index fund或投资房都没问题。
觉得去startup的很多都是逼出来的，讨厌现有工作，上了梁山完成霸业。 比如最近
250米被收购的learnvest的CEO。当年彭博开彭博也是因为被炒了。 破釜沉舟以后，
置于死地而后生。
二十万到三十万这个地段，跳startup真的损失不小。除非是第一波高风险员工。
【在 d*******r 的大作中提到】
: 关键是投资也费神, 而且不一定赚
: 再加上码工普遍能写东西, 不太能投资
: 去startup的话, 强制自己锻炼, 回头能有自己单干的机会
: 不能说哪种选择一定好
:
: 衡。
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c*********e
发帖数: 16335 | 76 startup一般5年内倒闭。别在第5年的时候跳进去。一般startup都羞于告诉你开了几年
了，你面试的时候一定要问清楚。
【在 h******b 的大作中提到】
: 买index fund或投资房都没问题。
: 觉得去startup的很多都是逼出来的，讨厌现有工作，上了梁山完成霸业。 比如最近
: 250米被收购的learnvest的CEO。当年彭博开彭博也是因为被炒了。 破釜沉舟以后，
: 置于死地而后生。
: 二十万到三十万这个地段，跳startup真的损失不小。除非是第一波高风险员工。
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