d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 1 物理phd,找不到quant,在个小fund做IT,不想老死在IT上,想做quant research或者
去banking,是不是只有过几年寸够钱捐个MBA啊?
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 3 唉,没正经学过计算机,觉得以后没啥发展啊。
【在 w*****n 的大作中提到】 : 现在developer和quant区别很小了吧
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l********e 发帖数: 220 | 4 worldquant?不是小fund吧
不一定mba,骑驴找马,phd够用了
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理phd,找不到quant,在个小fund做IT,不想老死在IT上,想做quant research或者 : 去banking,是不是只有过几年寸够钱捐个MBA啊? : 大家轻拍。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 5 唉,据说一入IT就会被recruiter定死在IT业了。
【在 l********e 的大作中提到】 : worldquant?不是小fund吧 : 不一定mba,骑驴找马,phd够用了
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k*******d 发帖数: 1340 | 6 MBA对Quant没啥用的,对Banking可能还有用,如果你真的想去做IBD的话。
MBA学不到什么Quant的东西,你现在懂得可能都比它教的多。再说也没怎么见过
MBA Quant
有PHD就够了,等市场好转了再找呗 |
d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 7 这市场还有得好转吗?MBA对consulting有用不?
【在 k*******d 的大作中提到】 : MBA对Quant没啥用的,对Banking可能还有用,如果你真的想去做IBD的话。 : MBA学不到什么Quant的东西,你现在懂得可能都比它教的多。再说也没怎么见过 : MBA Quant : 有PHD就够了,等市场好转了再找呗
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s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 8 mfe ?
mba 都是给大企业 做管理的人用的
要做矿工 一定mfe 吧 如果要读书的话 |
R**T 发帖数: 784 | 9 我知道有人 CS master -> MFE -> IB IT -> IB Quant
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理phd,找不到quant,在个小fund做IT,不想老死在IT上,想做quant research或者 : 去banking,是不是只有过几年寸够钱捐个MBA啊? : 大家轻拍。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 10 好,努力存钱申请MFE去。
【在 s*******0 的大作中提到】 : mfe ? : mba 都是给大企业 做管理的人用的 : 要做矿工 一定mfe 吧 如果要读书的话
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d*****r 发帖数: 2583 | 11 what's the point??? there's not much difference between all these 4 shit
nowadays...
if you are talking about PE, that maybe another thing.
【在 R**T 的大作中提到】 : 我知道有人 CS master -> MFE -> IB IT -> IB Quant
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sa 发帖数: 1384 | 12 what is PE..?
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】 : what's the point??? there's not much difference between all these 4 shit : nowadays... : if you are talking about PE, that maybe another thing.
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d*****r 发帖数: 2583 | 13 穷折腾个鸟,都不嫌累。
拿了一个CS master的做quant的大有人在,只是现在经济不好了,
开始挑人了,本质上如果不是hardcore quant,CS master足够了。
hardcore quant现在新职位大概比IBD的处女还要少,而且肯定不要master,
至少随机数学OR/FE的PhD。Peter Carr那些东西master搞得了吗?
而且就算搞了有什么用呢?前面有人都说了,这一块未来趋势就是萎缩了,
哪个银行准备靠复杂数学公式赚钱就是找死了。
【在 w*****n 的大作中提到】 : 现在developer和quant区别很小了吧
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R**T 发帖数: 784 | 14 I don't see the point either. It's just someone out there doesn't mind z-tur
n, which is his/her freedom.
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】 : what's the point??? there's not much difference between all these 4 shit : nowadays... : if you are talking about PE, that maybe another thing.
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 15 op and some ppl on this forum dont really know how the high finance and
management consulting recruiting system work... |
d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 16 大牛介绍一下吧,求指点啊!
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : op and some ppl on this forum dont really know how the high finance and : management consulting recruiting system work...
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n******t 发帖数: 4406 | 17 你这么想,显然说明你IT也一般把。。
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 唉,据说一入IT就会被recruiter定死在IT业了。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 18 唉,不是IT科班啊。
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】 : 你这么想,显然说明你IT也一般把。。
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n******t 发帖数: 4406 | 19 但是你又说你想去quant 或者banking,这两个东西没有任何关系了。。
quant和developer倒还有点关系。
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 唉,不是IT科班啊。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 20 想搞直接能赚钱的front office的,比如research啥的,可惜难啊
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】 : 但是你又说你想去quant 或者banking,这两个东西没有任何关系了。。 : quant和developer倒还有点关系。
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 21
i only have undergrad degree. you are physics phd. a lot smarter than me. if
i know how it works, you can figure it out too...
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 大牛介绍一下吧,求指点啊!
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k*******d 发帖数: 1340 | 22 I don't think FO does research...
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 想搞直接能赚钱的front office的,比如research啥的,可惜难啊
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Q*********r 发帖数: 93 | 23 真想转的话,多看看书,自己试着发展一套trading strategies,并且用自个儿的钱去
运作运作,如果有了好的成绩史,可以给你老板看,或自起炉灶。 |
Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 24 no, i was in IT before. Although now i'm not in FO (buy side portfolio risk
quant), I probably can make to real FO in next jump.
Based on the fact you are mixing things like MBA, research, FO and banking,
I feel you don't have a good understanding about the different careers in
finance nor the skills required in different positions. I think you need to
learn about that first.
For example, since you are PhD, the chance you can get into IBD even after
MBA is very small. PhD is definitely over qualified and your age will be too
old to the associate class (3-5 years pre-MBA, 2 years in MBA)
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 唉,据说一入IT就会被recruiter定死在IT业了。
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L*****k 发帖数: 327 | 25 you want to jump to IB's FO or HF's FO?
risk
,
to
too
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : no, i was in IT before. Although now i'm not in FO (buy side portfolio risk : quant), I probably can make to real FO in next jump. : Based on the fact you are mixing things like MBA, research, FO and banking, : I feel you don't have a good understanding about the different careers in : finance nor the skills required in different positions. I think you need to : learn about that first. : For example, since you are PhD, the chance you can get into IBD even after : MBA is very small. PhD is definitely over qualified and your age will be too : old to the associate class (3-5 years pre-MBA, 2 years in MBA)
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p*****y 发帖数: 529 | 26 I think research is part of FO.
What distinguishes FO from MO is in deed whether the division deals with
external client or not. But nowadays, whether making big money is instead
used to distinguish the two.
I don't think money should be used to divide everything but sadly, that's
how most people think.
【在 k*******d 的大作中提到】 : I don't think FO does research...
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j*******a 发帖数: 101 | 27 很想知道这个MBA,research, FO, Banking 这个几个的职业区别。
另外IBD中的D是什么?investment bank desk?
多谢~~~
risk
,
to
too
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : no, i was in IT before. Although now i'm not in FO (buy side portfolio risk : quant), I probably can make to real FO in next jump. : Based on the fact you are mixing things like MBA, research, FO and banking, : I feel you don't have a good understanding about the different careers in : finance nor the skills required in different positions. I think you need to : learn about that first. : For example, since you are PhD, the chance you can get into IBD even after : MBA is very small. PhD is definitely over qualified and your age will be too : old to the associate class (3-5 years pre-MBA, 2 years in MBA)
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k*****x 发帖数: 713 | 28 D is division
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 很想知道这个MBA,research, FO, Banking 这个几个的职业区别。 : 另外IBD中的D是什么?investment bank desk? : 多谢~~~ : : risk : , : to : too
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k*****x 发帖数: 713 | 29 MBA 是Married But Available 的意思
Research 在投行的词汇里就是垃圾的意思, 基本就是忽悠client
FO 钻钱的地方
Banking 估计和钱有关的都是
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 很想知道这个MBA,research, FO, Banking 这个几个的职业区别。 : 另外IBD中的D是什么?investment bank desk? : 多谢~~~ : : risk : , : to : too
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j*******a 发帖数: 101 | 30 我也觉得这个想法不错,现在找个工作真的不容易,去搞哪些没有的概率和脑筋急转弯
的题目还不如搞点真的东西,另外就是是不是这个就限制在buy side了?人家投行就不
需要搞这个trading strategy吧?投行做research就是忽悠客户来买它的东西,
【在 Q*********r 的大作中提到】 : 真想转的话,多看看书,自己试着发展一套trading strategies,并且用自个儿的钱去 : 运作运作,如果有了好的成绩史,可以给你老板看,或自起炉灶。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 31
靠,给老板看strategy?首先就违反公司compliance。买股票都要提前上报而且hold至
少30天。
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 我也觉得这个想法不错,现在找个工作真的不容易,去搞哪些没有的概率和脑筋急转弯 : 的题目还不如搞点真的东西,另外就是是不是这个就限制在buy side了?人家投行就不 : 需要搞这个trading strategy吧?投行做research就是忽悠客户来买它的东西,
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d*****r 发帖数: 2583 | 32 but the problem now is, this path(IBD, or say IPO/PE/M&A etc) is almost
closed for Chinese now (MS, MBA, PhDs). Chinese from top US undergrad
school degree with GC/citizenship may still have some chance to get
an lowest entry level job.
I saw tons of Chinese in this area were laid off and never found a
job again, these two years...
It's no more year 2006, guys, wake up...
and will never be again, until the next generation.
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : op and some ppl on this forum dont really know how the high finance and : management consulting recruiting system work...
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s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 33 我觉得你啥也不用读,需要培养的是彪悍的性格:)
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : : 靠,给老板看strategy?首先就违反公司compliance。买股票都要提前上报而且hold至 : 少30天。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 34
啥叫彪悍啊?
【在 s*******0 的大作中提到】 : 我觉得你啥也不用读,需要培养的是彪悍的性格:)
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e***y 发帖数: 49 | 35 看来得重新投胎了
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】 : but the problem now is, this path(IBD, or say IPO/PE/M&A etc) is almost : closed for Chinese now (MS, MBA, PhDs). Chinese from top US undergrad : school degree with GC/citizenship may still have some chance to get : an lowest entry level job. : I saw tons of Chinese in this area were laid off and never found a : job again, these two years... : It's no more year 2006, guys, wake up... : and will never be again, until the next generation.
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 36
you don't know how it works either...
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】 : but the problem now is, this path(IBD, or say IPO/PE/M&A etc) is almost : closed for Chinese now (MS, MBA, PhDs). Chinese from top US undergrad : school degree with GC/citizenship may still have some chance to get : an lowest entry level job. : I saw tons of Chinese in this area were laid off and never found a : job again, these two years... : It's no more year 2006, guys, wake up... : and will never be again, until the next generation.
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 37
How does it work on earth?
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : : you don't know how it works either...
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 38 you are phd, kinda late, but still doable in a rite way, very difficult
but not impossible
i have been mentoring an international chinese student for 2 years since
his
last year in high school. he interned at ubs during freshman summer and
will be going to credit suisse in the coming sophomore summer. his school
is
a no name libra arts college in upper state new york.
you need to be motivated and start doing something like NOW.
the starting point is to use google.com |
d*j 发帖数: 13780 | 39 你这个是美国本科的, 和他说的基本没有交集啊
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : you are phd, kinda late, but still doable in a rite way, very difficult : but not impossible : i have been mentoring an international chinese student for 2 years since : his : last year in high school. he interned at ubs during freshman summer and : will be going to credit suisse in the coming sophomore summer. his school : is : a no name libra arts college in upper state new york. : you need to be motivated and start doing something like NOW. : the starting point is to use google.com
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n****e 发帖数: 2401 | 40 even back office does research.
frontoffice: why the hell hasn't this trade been confirmed?
backoffice: Let me do some research and get back to you asap.
【在 k*******d 的大作中提到】 : I don't think FO does research...
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n******t 发帖数: 4406 | 41 ...............
Are you in IBD ?
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : you are phd, kinda late, but still doable in a rite way, very difficult : but not impossible : i have been mentoring an international chinese student for 2 years since : his : last year in high school. he interned at ubs during freshman summer and : will be going to credit suisse in the coming sophomore summer. his school : is : a no name libra arts college in upper state new york. : you need to be motivated and start doing something like NOW. : the starting point is to use google.com
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 42 Research is definitely FO in buy-side, which generates trading ideas.
【在 k*****x 的大作中提到】 : MBA 是Married But Available 的意思 : Research 在投行的词汇里就是垃圾的意思, 基本就是忽悠client : FO 钻钱的地方 : Banking 估计和钱有关的都是
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 43 HF
【在 L*****k 的大作中提到】 : you want to jump to IB's FO or HF's FO? : : risk : , : to : too
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 44 你先要搞清楚有buy-side和sell-side
sellside主要是IBank,
大概是这样,不是完全正确
直接赚钱的: S&T and IBD (没戏)
辅助或间接赚钱的: Equity Research或者client-facing quantitative strategy
research(后者有点可能),desk quant(有可能)
再间接的:research quant (writing pricing model, independent from desk) (有
可能)
再间接的:model validation, risk quant(有可能)
buyside主要是hedge fund/asset management,有很多种style/strategy,不过对你而
言分quant fund和non-quant fund
fund的FO就是Portfolio Manager和Investment/Research Analyst
quant fund: 有戏,喜欢理科Master, PhD
non-quant fund: 没什么戏,喜欢top本科,top MBA,经济金融PhD, 有IBD/Equity
Research背景的
这么多职业里,MBA只对IBD和non-quant buy-side fund比较有用,而且对你MBA之前的
经历还有年龄都有一定要求,而且这些都不需要PhD,我觉得你还是往sell-side
research quant或buyside quant fund考虑比较靠谱,一定要读书的话可以考虑读一个
part-time math finance/FE program
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 很想知道这个MBA,research, FO, Banking 这个几个的职业区别。 : 另外IBD中的D是什么?investment bank desk? : 多谢~~~ : : risk : , : to : too
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 45 唉,我该怎么办啊?在buy side quant firm里做IT觉得对以后找quant firm的
research有可能有负面影响啊。
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : 你先要搞清楚有buy-side和sell-side : sellside主要是IBank, : 大概是这样,不是完全正确 : 直接赚钱的: S&T and IBD (没戏) : 辅助或间接赚钱的: Equity Research或者client-facing quantitative strategy : research(后者有点可能),desk quant(有可能) : 再间接的:research quant (writing pricing model, independent from desk) (有 : 可能) : 再间接的:model validation, risk quant(有可能) : buyside主要是hedge fund/asset management,有很多种style/strategy,不过对你而
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w*****n 发帖数: 299 | 46 所谓once IT, always IT?
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 唉,我该怎么办啊?在buy side quant firm里做IT觉得对以后找quant firm的 : research有可能有负面影响啊。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 47 是啊,人生从此正式悲剧。
【在 w*****n 的大作中提到】 : 所谓once IT, always IT?
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s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 48 彪悍的人生不需要解释,直接上了再说,要么申请,要么mfe 了, 别的没可能吧
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 是啊,人生从此正式悲剧。
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g*****k 发帖数: 623 | 49 街上的人都是彪乎乎的吗?
【在 s*******0 的大作中提到】 : 彪悍的人生不需要解释,直接上了再说,要么申请,要么mfe 了, 别的没可能吧
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k*******d 发帖数: 1340 | 50 老兄,乐观一点,你还是物理Phd呢,也没有一日物理终身物理啊,别老有心理阴影
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 唉,我该怎么办啊?在buy side quant firm里做IT觉得对以后找quant firm的 : research有可能有负面影响啊。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 51 说的对,好好奋斗,等待机会吧。
【在 k*******d 的大作中提到】 : 老兄,乐观一点,你还是物理Phd呢,也没有一日物理终身物理啊,别老有心理阴影
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 52
my point is op should start learning the industry as soon as possible. the
more time he wastes, the fewer options he has. given he already graduated
from phd, his education options are limited to mfe and mba for now. and he
should be able to figure out how to network and what steps make sense to him
in order to get into fo, given that even a sophomore undergrad knows what
to do.
【在 d*j 的大作中提到】 : 你这个是美国本科的, 和他说的基本没有交集啊
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 53
my mentee is in ibd. im in s&t. my mentors are in vc (tech), mbs modeling,
and equity hf portfolio management. the whole process of getting into fo
or any job on the street is similar.
【在 n******t 的大作中提到】 : ............... : Are you in IBD ?
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 54
equity research is also sell-side. there is also sell-side s&t, which i'm
currently in.
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : 你先要搞清楚有buy-side和sell-side : sellside主要是IBank, : 大概是这样,不是完全正确 : 直接赚钱的: S&T and IBD (没戏) : 辅助或间接赚钱的: Equity Research或者client-facing quantitative strategy : research(后者有点可能),desk quant(有可能) : 再间接的:research quant (writing pricing model, independent from desk) (有 : 可能) : 再间接的:model validation, risk quant(有可能) : buyside主要是hedge fund/asset management,有很多种style/strategy,不过对你而
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 55 but if you dont wanna be reading Bayesian probability theory at midnight in
your late-thirties. you should realize quant is a very brutal field and
requires a certain level of nerdcraft to get ahead.
and quants arent exactly rolling in it. Math-hack CFAers (already on the cfa
type job) with their stone-age arithmetic skills...doing p/e ratios &
whatnot can easily outearn a hard-as-balls quant god who solves complex
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 56 yes I include equity research and s&t in sell-side
what do you think is the best approach to transit to fundamental side of buy
side from quant background? I know most investment analysts in my company
have IBD experiences (probably cause we are doing event driven). Is CFA +
networking good enough or is top MBA still the most straightforward way?
I think you have much better knowledge/experience in this than me so I'd
love to know ur thoughts :)
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : but if you dont wanna be reading Bayesian probability theory at midnight in : your late-thirties. you should realize quant is a very brutal field and : requires a certain level of nerdcraft to get ahead. : and quants arent exactly rolling in it. Math-hack CFAers (already on the cfa : type job) with their stone-age arithmetic skills...doing p/e ratios & : whatnot can easily outearn a hard-as-balls quant god who solves complex : differential equations in his sleep.
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 57 我看糊涂了...
1.你不是IT科班的, 难道是buyside research科班的? 物理phd,显然距离IT还稍微
近点, 距离买方research更远了啊
2.如果目标是buyside research 那去读MFE做什么? 想做quant去读mfe还make sense。
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 唉,不是IT科班啊。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 58 物理的research跟finance的research还是不远的。
sense。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : 我看糊涂了... : 1.你不是IT科班的, 难道是buyside research科班的? 物理phd,显然距离IT还稍微 : 近点, 距离买方research更远了啊 : 2.如果目标是buyside research 那去读MFE做什么? 想做quant去读mfe还make sense。
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k*******d 发帖数: 1340 | 59 buy side/sell side的research用的skill set是不大一样的,当然,到具体的问题很
难说,这和你phd具体的课题以及finance里面具体的问题有关。
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理的research跟finance的research还是不远的。 : : sense。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 60 物理research和finance research再远也比IT近啊。
【在 k*******d 的大作中提到】 : buy side/sell side的research用的skill set是不大一样的,当然,到具体的问题很 : 难说,这和你phd具体的课题以及finance里面具体的问题有关。
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l******i 发帖数: 1404 | 61 想开点,有工作总比没工作好多了。。。。
我记得你去年还在读博士,怎么一下子就去worldquant做IT了?
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理research和finance research再远也比IT近啊。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 62
瞧你说的,博士也有毕业的一天啊。不过还是不要乱猜我公司啊。
【在 l******i 的大作中提到】 : 想开点,有工作总比没工作好多了。。。。 : 我记得你去年还在读博士,怎么一下子就去worldquant做IT了?
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 63 finance的research难道不是看行业看公司看财报么?
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理research和finance research再远也比IT近啊。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 64
看财报的是老土办法了,数据直接从vendor拿就行,然后就是数据分析了。Quant firm
看财报的都是文学本科生。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : finance的research难道不是看行业看公司看财报么?
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 65 数据分析的应该是quant吧?
firm
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : : 看财报的是老土办法了,数据直接从vendor拿就行,然后就是数据分析了。Quant firm : 看财报的都是文学本科生。
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 66 这不是quant版吗?难道这里的finance不是默认quant吗?而且现在大部分trader也都
是quant trader了,中国人做10W以上年薪的非quant finance工作更难吧。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : 数据分析的应该是quant吧? : : firm
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 67 very few quant do real "research" as you think.
at sell-side, most quant are reading paper, implementing the model and
validating result. Coding and spreadsheet are taking most of their time. A
few client-facing quants will come up with some ideas and write reports to
client but if you know the education degree of clients (most are bachelors)
you would know how "quantitative" the report is.
at buy-side, don't get the name wrong. hedge fund is not a rocket science
business. Fundamental is still the mainstream and most quant funds are not
using the rocket science either which only PhD understand.
I don't know where you get the impression that most traders are quantitative
traders. Firstly what is quantitative trader? If you are talking about HFT
market making business, traders are also programmers. If you are talking
about quantitative investment such as stat arbs, they are quantitative
portfolio managers. Most traders in investment banks are still traditional
traders.
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 这不是quant版吗?难道这里的finance不是默认quant吗?而且现在大部分trader也都 : 是quant trader了,中国人做10W以上年薪的非quant finance工作更难吧。
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k********8 发帖数: 7948 | 68 我很喜欢你的发言
我自己也trade了好一段时间了,现在也有不错的成长,主要是swing的
我现在也工作,但我一直有个梦想,就是想去学习coding之类的做scalping,提高我的
trading volume.你觉得我该怎么走这条路?是不是去学个MFE?谢谢!!
)
quantitative
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : very few quant do real "research" as you think. : at sell-side, most quant are reading paper, implementing the model and : validating result. Coding and spreadsheet are taking most of their time. A : few client-facing quants will come up with some ideas and write reports to : client but if you know the education degree of clients (most are bachelors) : you would know how "quantitative" the report is. : at buy-side, don't get the name wrong. hedge fund is not a rocket science : business. Fundamental is still the mainstream and most quant funds are not : using the rocket science either which only PhD understand. : I don't know where you get the impression that most traders are quantitative
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 69 You don't need to. MFE can prepare you for finding a job in banks but you
can't learn real trading via MFE. A lot of people learn quantitative trading
by themselves and practice on IB. I think this book is a good start
http://www.amazon.com/Quantitative-Trading-Build-Algorithmic-Bu
I'm not a trader nor pm so take my words under your own risk :)
【在 k********8 的大作中提到】 : 我很喜欢你的发言 : 我自己也trade了好一段时间了,现在也有不错的成长,主要是swing的 : 我现在也工作,但我一直有个梦想,就是想去学习coding之类的做scalping,提高我的 : trading volume.你觉得我该怎么走这条路?是不是去学个MFE?谢谢!! : : ) : quantitative
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f****i 发帖数: 201 | 70
buy
i have 0 exp in this. but i heard cfa is more valuable than mba to buyside
and networking is a must in your case. you may even have to take a paycut to
do the transition due to lack of direct exp
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : yes I include equity research and s&t in sell-side : what do you think is the best approach to transit to fundamental side of buy : side from quant background? I know most investment analysts in my company : have IBD experiences (probably cause we are doing event driven). Is CFA + : networking good enough or is top MBA still the most straightforward way? : I think you have much better knowledge/experience in this than me so I'd : love to know ur thoughts :)
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k********8 发帖数: 7948 | 71 谢谢你的回答
那我把algorithmic编程阿什么的学学好然后自己的trading result也不错,还有机会
进properitary trading公司做吗?谢谢!
trading
【在 Y******u 的大作中提到】 : You don't need to. MFE can prepare you for finding a job in banks but you : can't learn real trading via MFE. A lot of people learn quantitative trading : by themselves and practice on IB. I think this book is a good start : http://www.amazon.com/Quantitative-Trading-Build-Algorithmic-Bu : I'm not a trader nor pm so take my words under your own risk :)
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 72 我CFA早都过L3了还在做IT
to
【在 f****i 的大作中提到】 : : buy : i have 0 exp in this. but i heard cfa is more valuable than mba to buyside : and networking is a must in your case. you may even have to take a paycut to : do the transition due to lack of direct exp
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s*******0 发帖数: 3461 | 73 just a plus not for sure
hehe
需要彪悍的人生, 不过我也在行外看呢 呵呵
认识一些行内的人而已:)
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 我CFA早都过L3了还在做IT : : to
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N******r 发帖数: 642 | 74 get an MBA
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 我CFA早都过L3了还在做IT : : to
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 75
没钱啊
【在 N******r 的大作中提到】 : get an MBA
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j*******a 发帖数: 101 | 76 我身边不下5个cfa都过了3级,没有一个找到了与fiance相关的工作。我感觉,cfa,
mfe都难保证你搞到金融的工作。
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 我CFA早都过L3了还在做IT : : to
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 77
唉,难道这辈子就搞IT了,哭啊
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 我身边不下5个cfa都过了3级,没有一个找到了与fiance相关的工作。我感觉,cfa, : mfe都难保证你搞到金融的工作。
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N******r 发帖数: 642 | 78 要么就积极找工作,运气好还是有可能的。
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : : 唉,难道这辈子就搞IT了,哭啊
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z*****7 发帖数: 367 | 79 S&T 算finance么?是不是IT + CFA3内部也难转道S&T这些前台部门阿。
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 我身边不下5个cfa都过了3级,没有一个找到了与fiance相关的工作。我感觉,cfa, : mfe都难保证你搞到金融的工作。
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f*********y 发帖数: 376 | 80 if you check the linkedin of Chinese ppl who work as a dest quant, they must
come from top phd programs, only few outlier...
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : : 唉,难道这辈子就搞IT了,哭啊
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Y******u 发帖数: 1912 | 81 CFA has nothing to do with S&T
【在 z*****7 的大作中提到】 : S&T 算finance么?是不是IT + CFA3内部也难转道S&T这些前台部门阿。
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z********e 发帖数: 8818 | 82 搞IT是多么幸福的事情啊,到你这里咋就哭了。。?
快自学成材吧,把你现在的位置让给真心喜欢IT的人~~
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : : 唉,难道这辈子就搞IT了,哭啊
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m******e 发帖数: 406 | 83 how do you define top phd program?
overall top 10? Major top 15?
must
【在 f*********y 的大作中提到】 : if you check the linkedin of Chinese ppl who work as a dest quant, they must : come from top phd programs, only few outlier...
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a***1 发帖数: 548 | 84 top 15 should be OK.
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】 : how do you define top phd program? : overall top 10? Major top 15? : : must
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f*********y 发帖数: 376 | 85 I think the university matters a lot rather than the program.
A phd student with major chemstry from Yale
definitely will beat a phd student from a top 15 cs program but not famous
university. Yale cs program rank about 20 and we assume the first guy also
know
programming, BS formula...
【在 m******e 的大作中提到】 : how do you define top phd program? : overall top 10? Major top 15? : : must
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d********t 发帖数: 9628 | 86 你这让印度小本情何以堪
must
【在 f*********y 的大作中提到】 : if you check the linkedin of Chinese ppl who work as a dest quant, they must : come from top phd programs, only few outlier...
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j********t 发帖数: 97 | 87 做IT也不错的,40岁以后还能干着。Finance前台很少40岁以上的吧? |
c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 88 totally agree
School name is all that matters.
I have no idea why there are some people who talking about graduate school
ranking, engineer school ranking or even major ranking?
【在 f*********y 的大作中提到】 : I think the university matters a lot rather than the program. : A phd student with major chemstry from Yale : definitely will beat a phd student from a top 15 cs program but not famous : university. Yale cs program rank about 20 and we assume the first guy also : know : programming, BS formula...
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f*********y 发帖数: 376 | 89 所以我觉的,咱们不是top学校毕业的,努力在NYC找个还成的工作就好了呗,通过工作
后的努力,也过的不错了,要知足。。。生活又不仅仅是挣钱。。。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : totally agree : School name is all that matters. : I have no idea why there are some people who talking about graduate school : ranking, engineer school ranking or even major ranking?
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 90 是啊
所以我不太理解为什么lz做了IT一副哭天抢地的样子
我看来现在IT与quant从薪酬到工作性质基本没什么本质区别 至少在卖方是这样子
【在 f*********y 的大作中提到】 : 所以我觉的,咱们不是top学校毕业的,努力在NYC找个还成的工作就好了呗,通过工作 : 后的努力,也过的不错了,要知足。。。生活又不仅仅是挣钱。。。
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d*****r 发帖数: 2583 | 91 时代变得很快的,大部分人一般看不到变化的趋势,总是按惯性思维。
当然,这也是少部分人能够找到机会的原因。当所有人都认识到形势的时候,
形势基本上已经变了。06年以前看到quant机会的人不多(当然撞进去的不少),
等大部分中国人都意识到往quant挤的时候,已经08年之后了,形势已经不好了。
现在职位很少,工作性质都不好,面试都是恶性竞争。
人不能总是跟着形势后面跑的。没什么好的机会。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : 是啊 : 所以我不太理解为什么lz做了IT一副哭天抢地的样子 : 我看来现在IT与quant从薪酬到工作性质基本没什么本质区别 至少在卖方是这样子
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D********n 发帖数: 978 | 92 你这样说也太搞笑了吧。
现在IT比quant更方面都好很多。工作好找,life style好,报酬也高。真不晓得quant
凭什么和IT比。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : 是啊 : 所以我不太理解为什么lz做了IT一副哭天抢地的样子 : 我看来现在IT与quant从薪酬到工作性质基本没什么本质区别 至少在卖方是这样子
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 93 我是说金融机构里的IT部门 VS quant
没有说IT公司
quant
【在 D********n 的大作中提到】 : 你这样说也太搞笑了吧。 : 现在IT比quant更方面都好很多。工作好找,life style好,报酬也高。真不晓得quant : 凭什么和IT比。
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p*****y 发帖数: 529 | 94 I think people still don't respect/appreciate IT people. Even if it'll get a
lot better in the coming years, it may not get the same level of attention
as quants may.
quant
【在 D********n 的大作中提到】 : 你这样说也太搞笑了吧。 : 现在IT比quant更方面都好很多。工作好找,life style好,报酬也高。真不晓得quant : 凭什么和IT比。
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 95 没人care attention/respect/appreciate
人吃人的社会 谁赚钱谁是王道
更况且 IT的工作与quant的工作本质上丝毫没有差别 都是cost center的小螺丝钉
谁比谁高级啊? quant有更多respect本身就是毫无道理的
a
attention
【在 p*****y 的大作中提到】 : I think people still don't respect/appreciate IT people. Even if it'll get a : lot better in the coming years, it may not get the same level of attention : as quants may. : : quant
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P*****r 发帖数: 1308 | 96 那是因为没有哪个学校有quant的phd program,说白了就是理工的phd基本是废了自己的
专业去挤quant的,当然没人会care你graduate program的专业排名;就跟为什么那些咨
询公司每年也找那么一两个名校的phd一个道理。谈major ranking啥的只对业内的工作
有效。
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : totally agree : School name is all that matters. : I have no idea why there are some people who talking about graduate school : ranking, engineer school ranking or even major ranking?
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T******r 发帖数: 257 | 97 i wish you were traders we support, my life would be easier.
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : 没人care attention/respect/appreciate : 人吃人的社会 谁赚钱谁是王道 : 更况且 IT的工作与quant的工作本质上丝毫没有差别 都是cost center的小螺丝钉 : 谁比谁高级啊? quant有更多respect本身就是毫无道理的 : : a : attention
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z********e 发帖数: 8818 | 98 这个“废”字很形象:)
【在 P*****r 的大作中提到】 : 那是因为没有哪个学校有quant的phd program,说白了就是理工的phd基本是废了自己的 : 专业去挤quant的,当然没人会care你graduate program的专业排名;就跟为什么那些咨 : 询公司每年也找那么一两个名校的phd一个道理。谈major ranking啥的只对业内的工作 : 有效。
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p*****y 发帖数: 529 | 99 What you said is true. Money talks.
But I don't think IT people will ever earn as much as quants if on the same
level. So you can say that because quants earn more, they are respected more
. I just didn't want to say it that straightforward.
【在 c********u 的大作中提到】 : 没人care attention/respect/appreciate : 人吃人的社会 谁赚钱谁是王道 : 更况且 IT的工作与quant的工作本质上丝毫没有差别 都是cost center的小螺丝钉 : 谁比谁高级啊? quant有更多respect本身就是毫无道理的 : : a : attention
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j*****4 发帖数: 292 | 100 不觉得06年前做quant的中国人少,当然这些人现在大多不在银行了。
中国人social不行,到了D或者小MD就升不动了。
【在 d*****r 的大作中提到】 : 时代变得很快的,大部分人一般看不到变化的趋势,总是按惯性思维。 : 当然,这也是少部分人能够找到机会的原因。当所有人都认识到形势的时候, : 形势基本上已经变了。06年以前看到quant机会的人不多(当然撞进去的不少), : 等大部分中国人都意识到往quant挤的时候,已经08年之后了,形势已经不好了。 : 现在职位很少,工作性质都不好,面试都是恶性竞争。 : 人不能总是跟着形势后面跑的。没什么好的机会。
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T******r 发帖数: 257 | 101 这个跟国人西人没关系, 大部分人都升不上去, 数数大银行有几个quant heads就知道
了.
【在 j*****4 的大作中提到】 : 不觉得06年前做quant的中国人少,当然这些人现在大多不在银行了。 : 中国人social不行,到了D或者小MD就升不动了。
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 102 我直观的感觉至少在卖方 quant与IT赚的差不多了 蔽所同级别的IT与quant,薪酬是
完全一样的
我知道美银美林也是一样的
same
more
【在 p*****y 的大作中提到】 : What you said is true. Money talks. : But I don't think IT people will ever earn as much as quants if on the same : level. So you can say that because quants earn more, they are respected more : . I just didn't want to say it that straightforward.
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 103 我在说quant vs IT啊
trader又不是cost center的
【在 T******r 的大作中提到】 : i wish you were traders we support, my life would be easier.
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c********u 发帖数: 1177 | 104 我个人认为major ranking只对找research,faculty等工作有效
工业界也真的不会很了解你这个major ranking, 排名第一第二也许还能知道
有次有个财务老大聊天的时候问我:你知道XXX学校么?有个来面试的人说这儿会计专
业排名第5
我说我不了解,咱们google一下吧。 结果google出来这个会计专业排名有说第5的,有
说第8的,也有10几的....
己的
些咨
【在 P*****r 的大作中提到】 : 那是因为没有哪个学校有quant的phd program,说白了就是理工的phd基本是废了自己的 : 专业去挤quant的,当然没人会care你graduate program的专业排名;就跟为什么那些咨 : 询公司每年也找那么一两个名校的phd一个道理。谈major ranking啥的只对业内的工作 : 有效。
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w****e 发帖数: 1883 | 105 If you are IT, you should work for an IT company. Engineers at M$, Facebook,
Google earn a lot, get great life style, and are well respected.
Just keep in mind, always work for revenue generating department of a
company, that's why FO in a bank if respected while IT guys are looked down
up; that's also why the same IT guys are well respected in an IT company,
because they are not cost center, but revenue generating people.
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理phd,找不到quant,在个小fund做IT,不想老死在IT上,想做quant research或者 : 去banking,是不是只有过几年寸够钱捐个MBA啊? : 大家轻拍。
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l****t 发帖数: 1379 | 106 Mba 改变不了太多,雇主更看重你以前的经验。
靠MBA switCh career是很难的,你的年龄又不占优势!
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理phd,找不到quant,在个小fund做IT,不想老死在IT上,想做quant research或者 : 去banking,是不是只有过几年寸够钱捐个MBA啊? : 大家轻拍。
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r**m 发帖数: 2823 | 107 不要把cfa和mfe混为一谈
【在 j*******a 的大作中提到】 : 我身边不下5个cfa都过了3级,没有一个找到了与fiance相关的工作。我感觉,cfa, : mfe都难保证你搞到金融的工作。
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f*******3 发帖数: 577 | 108 兄弟阿, 去了IT就先好好做IT, 不要这么浮躁,不然什么也做不好
【在 d********t 的大作中提到】 : 物理phd,找不到quant,在个小fund做IT,不想老死在IT上,想做quant research或者 : 去banking,是不是只有过几年寸够钱捐个MBA啊? : 大家轻拍。
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