m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 1 REPEAL REJECTED: New Hampshire Sticks With Marriage Equality
By Lucas Grindley and Andrew Harmon
JOHN LYNCH DAVID BATES X390 (FAIR) | ADVOCATE.COM
John Lynch, David Bates
A Republican-led effort to repeal marriage equality in New Hampshire
decisively failed today. Lawmakers voted against the repeal, against
replacing marriage with civil unions, and against putting it up to a voter
referendum.
Just to ensure the message was clear, Republican Rep. Seth Cohn, who
supports marriage equality, proposed banning marriage between left-handed
people. That didn't pass either.
The final vote was 211-116 to kill a bill that would have rescinded marriage
equality in the state, and it included a number of Republicans like Cohn
who broke with their party.
Gov. John Lynch signed marriage equality legislation in 2009 after it
narrowly passed through the legislature, and he has promised to veto any
effort to repeal the law. It would have needed to pass through both
Republican-led chambers before reaching his desk.
But the bill, introduced by state representative David Bates, couldn't
muster the votes to pass the House never mind coming anywhere near the two-
thirds majority needed to override a veto.
Bates had also sought a referendum but lost that vote 162-188. Polling on
the issue showed that a solid majority of New Hampshire residents opposed
rolling back marriage rights for gay residents. And marriage supporters
argued that it was their role, not voters, to make a decision on repeal.
It wasn't the first time marriage opponents had tried to put the question on
a ballot. House members voted against a similar initiative in 2010, failing
to reach the 60% of members' votes to add the initiative to the ballot.
"Our opponents tried to abuse the 2010 Republican legislative sweep in New
Hampshire to repeal the popular law," said Marc Solomon, Freedom to Marry’s
national campaign director. "What they didn’t count on was the fact that
the freedom to marry is becoming a bipartisan value, as resoundingly
reflected in today’s vote." |
m******1
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 3 "Republican Rep. Seth Cohn, who
supports marriage equality, proposed banning marriage between left-handed
people. That didn't pass either."
哈哈哈。我想知道几比几没过。
还指望有２／３票OVERRIDE州长的VETO，做梦！ |
D**S
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g********d
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 6 最后面说道，marriage equality已经成为了一个bipartisan value
共和党支持同性婚姻的也越来越多了。
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: "Republican Rep. Seth Cohn, who
: supports marriage equality, proposed banning marriage between left-handed
: people. That didn't pass either."
: 哈哈哈。我想知道几比几没过。
: 还指望有２／３票OVERRIDE州长的VETO，做梦！
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 7 Yes! 所以不光是新老交替。不过，上次你算的新老交替的数字，我觉得有道理，现在
的变化比以前引人注目，是因为刚过５０％这个TIPPING POINT。
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 最后面说道，marriage equality已经成为了一个bipartisan value
: 共和党支持同性婚姻的也越来越多了。
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 8 NH House declines to consider bill proposed by pro-gay marriage Republican
Rep. Seth Cohn banning marriage between left-handed people.
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/03/21/republican
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: "Republican Rep. Seth Cohn, who
: supports marriage equality, proposed banning marriage between left-handed
: people. That didn't pass either."
: 哈哈哈。我想知道几比几没过。
: 还指望有２／３票OVERRIDE州长的VETO，做梦！
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m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 9 Wao, 211 support marriage equality vs. 116 against gay marriage, this is
really good... |
k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 10 东北真不愧是咱的票仓
【在 m******8 的大作中提到】
: Wao, 211 support marriage equality vs. 116 against gay marriage, this is
: really good...
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 11 social liberal plus fiscal conservative
这样的组合,全国除开新英格兰,大概只有极少几个都会地区才稍微可能了.作为连片的
几个州,只有新英格兰.
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 东北真不愧是咱的票仓
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 12 给你们出个数学题：
In NH House of Representative, republicans:democrates=293:105.
The anti-gay bill was defeated by a vote of 211-116.
How many republicans voted against the bill? |
m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 13 天啊，共和党议员几乎是民主党的3倍啊，就这样还大差距地输了，这不是狠狠地抽NOM
的嘴巴吗？
你确定你的数字是对的？？？
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 给你们出个数学题：
: In NH House of Representative, republicans:democrates=293:105.
: The anti-gay bill was defeated by a vote of 211-116.
: How many republicans voted against the bill?
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D**S
发帖数: 24887 | 14 NH那边的共和党绝大多数应该都很温和的.
最新一期Newsweek还撰文一篇描写当年moderate GOP是如何促进民权事业的.
NOM
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 天啊，共和党议员几乎是民主党的3倍啊，就这样还大差距地输了，这不是狠狠地抽NOM
: 的嘴巴吗？
: 你确定你的数字是对的？？？
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 15 再怎么温和那也是共和党啊，gay,gun,god，这是共和党与民主党在价值观上的最基本
的区别啊。看来以后3g要变成2g了？lol
【在 D**S 的大作中提到】
: NH那边的共和党绝大多数应该都很温和的.
: 最新一期Newsweek还撰文一篇描写当年moderate GOP是如何促进民权事业的.
:
: NOM
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 16 我不敢相信，就去NH HOUSE网站去查，把名单COPY到EXCEL里算了，有119个共和党投
不废除GAY MARRIAGE：
http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/Roll_calls/rc_yeahn
NOM
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 天啊，共和党议员几乎是民主党的3倍啊，就这样还大差距地输了，这不是狠狠地抽NOM
: 的嘴巴吗？
: 你确定你的数字是对的？？？
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 17 也就是说，有13个民主党是叛徒...哼唧...
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 我不敢相信，就去NH HOUSE网站去查，把名单COPY到EXCEL里算了，有119个共和党投
: 不废除GAY MARRIAGE：
: http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/bill_status/Roll_calls/rc_yeahn
:
: NOM
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 18 那１３个没投票。
【在 k*****e 的大作中提到】
: 也就是说，有13个民主党是叛徒...哼唧...
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k*****e
发帖数: 22013 | 19 恩，忘了算总数了
13个民主党和58个共和党没投票
投票的里面，民主党全投了支持同婚，
119个共和党倒戈，嘿嘿。
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 那１３个没投票。
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m******1
发帖数: 19713 | 20 是故意没投吧，他们想反对同婚但是又不敢？
【在 g********d 的大作中提到】
: 那１３个没投票。
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g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 21 Maybe. 或是家里有事？要过圣诞节什么的？
【在 m******1 的大作中提到】
: 是故意没投吧，他们想反对同婚但是又不敢？
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m******8
发帖数: 2153 | 22 The 211-116 margin was a victory for gay rights advocates. It was also a
shock to social conservatives, who thought a 3 to 1 GOP majority combined
with a party platform that defines marriage as a between a man and women,
would secure the bill’s passage.
Deep into a debate that lasted 2 hours and included 10 separate votes,
Kingston Republican David Welch stated what by then was plain: gay marriage
is topic that divides House Republicans.
“This is an issue that is confusing, sets one section of the House against
the other and it will do the same thing out in our communities.”
The discord in the chamber was all Republican. Only one Democrat supported
the repeal. And none took part in the often emotional floor debate.
“This bill needs to be put down, and I ask you to vote red so this bill can
be put down like the dog it deserves to be.”
Rep. Mike Ball represents Manchester and serves as chairman of the city
Republican committee. The native southerner compared the repeal effort to
segregation. Rochester Rep. Warren Groen, meanwhile, argued that permitting
same-sex couples to marry puts New Hampshire on a dangerous path.
“The next in line is a polygynist: He’s a Muslim, and he wants lot of
wives. After all, he can’t take over the world unless his has lots of kids
and to have lot of kids, he needs lot of wives. “
“The house will come to order. The house will come to order.”
“The next in the docket is those who believe in polyandry, they need lot
of people involved in their groups, groups of men and women, so they don’t
get bored, to keep things exciting. The animal lovers can’t be too far
behind. “
When the bill was killed the house stood and clapped. Afterwards, its
backers had a variety of explanations for its failure. Rep. Gregory Sorg of
Easton said it was a mistake not to have pushed it through last year, when
the repeal was first proposed.
“You know, you come in with a big majority and have this crusading spirit
and we want to get a lot of things done, but by the end people start
getting mellow, and they get to the point where they don’t want to be
offensive, and they stop analyzing things with the precision with which they
were doing it before.”
But the repeal’s lead sponsor, David Bates of Windham, believes the problem
goes deeper than the vote’s timing.
"There is a significant number of Libertarians, you know they ran as
Republicans, and don’t feel any particular compulsion to vote consistent
with the Republican platform, and that’s really what I think we saw
materialize there.”
Yet the final vote was tipped by more than just Libertarian-minded freshman
. House veterans and top Republicans leaders including the majority leader,
deputy majority leader and speaker pro-tem all voted against the bill. For
advocates of same sex-marriage like Marc Solomon, national campaign director
for Freedom to Marry, which plowed $500,000 dollars into fighting the
repeal, that’s proof gay marriage is working here.
“You know in the vote to pass marriage law seven Republican voted in favor
. This time, more than 100 Republicans voted against the law. And you know
it honestly shows that live free or die is alive and well in NH.”
The repeal’s defeat ends this debate in Concord until the next Legislature
arrives. But expect this vote to get plenty of scrutiny during election
season. The National Organization For Marriage has pledged to spend $250,000
to oppose candidates who voted against repealing gay marriage. The
Republican Freedom and Equality PAC is meanwhile promising to stand with
lawmakers who voted to support same-sex marriage.
http://nhpr.org/post/house-rejects-gay-marriage-repeal |
g********d
发帖数: 4174 | 23 "The National Organization For Marriage has pledged to spend $250,000
to oppose candidates who voted against repealing gay marriage."
再做一道数学题：
119x250,000=29,750,000
妈呀。估计NOM只能赖帐了。 |
p***2
发帖数: 374 | 24 如果共和党支持gay rights，我会支持共和党。 |
