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发帖数: 10970 | 1 http://footballpantheon.com/2011/07/the-50-greatest-managers-of
The full list
Position Manager Points Nationality Span
1 Alex Ferguson 2780 Scottish 1974-
2 Helenio Herrera 2060 Argentina 1944-81
3 Ottmar Hitzfeld 1980 German 1983-
4 Giovanni Trapattoni 1970 Italian 1974-
5 Brian Clough 1670 English 1965-93
6 Bob Paisley 1665 English 1974-83
7 Valeri Lobanovskiy 1655 Ukranian 1969-2001
8 Miguel Munoz 1650 Spanish 1959-88
9 Jose Mourinho 1645 Portuguese 2000-
10 Jock Stein 1640 Scottish 1960-85
11 Rinus Michels 1530 Dutch 1965-92
12 Matt Busby 1520 Scottish 1945-69
13 Ernst Happel 1505 Austrian 1962-92
14 Udo Lattek 1485 German 1970-2000
15 Marcello Lippi 1470 Italian 1985-2010
16 Nereo Rocco 1465 Italian 1947-77
17 Fabio Capello 1440 Italian 1991-
18 Bill Shankly 1420 Scottish 1949-74
19 Carlos Bianchi 1375 Argentine 1985-2006
20 Bela Guttmann 1340 Hungarian 1933-1973
21 Otto Rehhagel 1335 German 1972-2010
22 Luiz Felipe Scolari 1320 Brazilian 1982-
23 Guus Hiddink 1290 Dutch 1982-
24 Hennes Weisweiler 1280 German 1955-83
25 Jose Villalonga 1095 Spanish 1955-66
26 Johan Cruyff 1090 Dutch 1985-96
27 Albert Batteux 1080 French 1950-81
28 Louis van Gaal 1075 Dutch 1991-
29 Arsene Wenger 1070 French 1984-
30 Luis Alonso Perez 1065 Brazilian 1954-72
31 Mario Zagallo 1035 Brazilian 1966-2001
32 Pep Guardiola 1045 Spanish 2008-
33 Stefan Kovacs 1030 Romanian 1953-87
34 Don Revie 1025 English 1961-85
35 Herbert Chapman 1020 English 1907-34
36 Luis Alberto Cubilla 1015 Uruguayan 1979-2010
37 Osvaldo Zubeldia 1005 Argentine 1961-75
38 Arrigo Sacchi 1000 Italian 1985-2005
39 Rafa Benitez 995 Spanish 1995-
40 Aime Jacquet 990 French 1976-98
41 Raymond Goethals 970 Belgian 1959-94
42 Vicente Del Bosque 920 Spanish 1997-
43 Guillermo Stabile 910 Argentine 1931-60
44 Bobby Robson 905 English 1968-2004
45 Carlos Alberto Parreira 890 Brazilian 1967-2010
46 Luis Carniglia 870 Argentine 1955-73
47 Tomislav Ivic 840 Croatian 1967-2004
48 Roberto Scarone 835 Uruguayan 1948-82
49 Emerich Jenei 830 Romanian 1972-2000
50 Carlos Bilardo 810 Argentine 1974-2004
The managers who missed out and why
Carlo Ancelotti
The reason not enough domestic success to complement his formidable
continental record |
l**********3
发帖数: 10970 | 2 你好好好思考一个我打牌的比喻，就知道为什么很多排行榜都不把安切洛蒂排进来了。
安切洛蒂可以带豪门，拿好成绩，合格的教练。 |
d**j
发帖数: 23329 | 3 如果看看捡鸟烂摊的几个教练，安肥跟鸟二应该差不多，贝肥应该不及这两个。
【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
: 你好好好思考一个我打牌的比喻，就知道为什么很多排行榜都不把安切洛蒂排进来了。
: 安切洛蒂可以带豪门，拿好成绩，合格的教练。
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l**********3
发帖数: 10970 | |
l**********3
发帖数: 10970 | 5 How it works
The formula is divided into four main strands.
One: Since managers are most superficially measured by what they win, the
first is mere trophy count. As such, the specified points are awarded for
winning the following competitions:
Points Competition
250 World Cup
220 European Championship
200 Champions League
150 Copa Libertadores
130 Copa America
120 Top-ranking league (based on Uefa coefficients)
110 Uefa Cup
110 African Nations
90 Asian Cup
80 Cup Winners Cup, Recopa Sudamericana
70 Mid-ranking league
60 Major domestic cup
40 Medium domestic cup, low-ranking league
10 Minor cup
Two: However, trophies do not tell the full tale. So, in order to balance
the findings so they go beyond big clubs and take in pure management, the
second strand is based on average league positions.For example, Nottingham
Forest’s average league position in the five years before Brian Clough took
over was 28th in England (when laying out the divisions as one continuous
list). The average during his time at the City Ground, however, was ninth.So
, with 30 points for each position, Clough earns an extra 570 for his
dramatic improvement of the club.Alternatively, if a manager’s tenure sees
his club drop – as in the case of Arsene Wenger with Nancy – points are
deducted.A similar system applies to international football, where a
tournament victory is considered first place, a semi-final appearance third
and non-qualification 20th. So, to illustrate, in the five tournaments
before Otto Rehhagel took over Greece, they only qualified for one – giving
them an average of 18. Their Euro 2004 victory therefore was a huge bonus.
Three: In order to get a fair reflection as to whether a manager actually
used his available resources efficiently, the third strand attempted to
offset the above points against the relevant figures. This was done on a
season-by-season basis.If a club’s seasonal expenditure (in terms of
transfers and wages combined) was 217% of their domestic competition’s
average, then the manager’s points for that season were multiplied by 0.783
. If it was 350%, they were multiplied by 0.65. If it was 80%, they were
multiplied by 1.2… and so forth.The yearly figures were then added together
to get a manager’s total.
Four: Bonus points were also awarded for the following significant
achievements:
Points Achievement
50 Treble
50 Two major international titles in a row
30 Continental and domestic trophy double
20 Perfect international tournament
20 Unbeaten league season
20 Top 10 points-per-game record in a major domestic league
10 Top 10 best attacking performance in a major domestic league
10 Top 10 defensive performance in a major domestic league |
x********g
发帖数: 3717 | 6 不是前几天刚刚出炉了一个排行榜吗，傻鸡排名第一。 |
x********g
发帖数: 3717 | 7 三个国王杯就顶一个世界杯了。。
【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
: How it works
: The formula is divided into four main strands.
: One: Since managers are most superficially measured by what they win, the
: first is mere trophy count. As such, the specified points are awarded for
: winning the following competitions:
: Points Competition
: 250 World Cup
: 220 European Championship
: 200 Champions League
: 150 Copa Libertadores
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d**j
发帖数: 23329 | 8 任内拿到3个国王杯的教练比世界杯教练更少吧。
【在 x********g 的大作中提到】
: 三个国王杯就顶一个世界杯了。。
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x********g
发帖数: 3717 | 9 应该猛攒国王杯提高排名。
【在 d**j 的大作中提到】
: 任内拿到3个国王杯的教练比世界杯教练更少吧。
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c**n
发帖数: 5275 | |
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d**j
发帖数: 23329 | 11 容易吗？
【在 x********g 的大作中提到】
: 应该猛攒国王杯提高排名。
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x********g
发帖数: 3717 | 12 比整世界杯可容易多了。
【在 d**j 的大作中提到】
: 容易吗？
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d**j
发帖数: 23329 | 13 所以定权重需要科学的精神。等于人民币，美元的汇率不是随便可以改一样。
【在 c**n 的大作中提到】
: 这种量化评分没啥意思，改下权重排名全变了
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d**j
发帖数: 23329 | 14 那多少个教练任内拿过3个国王杯？多少个拿过世界杯？
【在 x********g 的大作中提到】
: 比整世界杯可容易多了。
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b****l
发帖数: 11 | 15 看到第一名是红鼻就是知道是英国人弄得排行榜。他们最擅长就是这个，先弄个排名然
后再找个formula。要是英国教练这么好就不用低三下四连国家队都找意大利人了。
【在 l**********3 的大作中提到】
: http://footballpantheon.com/2011/07/the-50-greatest-managers-of
: The full list
: Position Manager Points Nationality Span
: 1 Alex Ferguson 2780 Scottish 1974-
: 2 Helenio Herrera 2060 Argentina 1944-81
: 3 Ottmar Hitzfeld 1980 German 1983-
: 4 Giovanni Trapattoni 1970 Italian 1974-
: 5 Brian Clough 1670 English 1965-93
: 6 Bob Paisley 1665 English 1974-83
: 7 Valeri Lobanovskiy 1655 Ukranian 1969-2001
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x********g
发帖数: 3717 | 16 wait a minute..我得确认一下。
你觉得整三个国王杯比整个世界杯难？
【在 d**j 的大作中提到】
: 那多少个教练任内拿过3个国王杯？多少个拿过世界杯？
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l**********3
发帖数: 10970 | 17 红鼻不是英格兰的。英格兰请的意大利教练。
看到第一名是红鼻就是知道是英国人弄得排行榜。他们最擅长就是这个，先弄个排名然
后再找个formula。要是英国教练这么好就不用低三下四连国家队都找意大利人了。
【在 b****l 的大作中提到】
: 看到第一名是红鼻就是知道是英国人弄得排行榜。他们最擅长就是这个，先弄个排名然
: 后再找个formula。要是英国教练这么好就不用低三下四连国家队都找意大利人了。
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