w******s
发帖数: 16209 | | w*******o
发帖数: 6125 | 2 诺贝尔和平奖得主奥8说了:"有些战争是为了和平而战的"
吐着吐着就习惯了。
村长，这次还会像2003年打伊拉克一样:"大炮一响，黄金万两吗"?
2003年似乎也是恢复初期，伊拉克打仗似乎一点都不影响牛市。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 禁飞区看来不光是禁飞,基本上就是宣战.
| s****l
发帖数: 10462 | 3 窃以为外面开仗都是美国的利好
这要是美国再把利比亚的油控制在手里，美国人民继续享用低价油不是。
【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: 诺贝尔和平奖得主奥8说了:"有些战争是为了和平而战的"
: 吐着吐着就习惯了。
: 村长，这次还会像2003年打伊拉克一样:"大炮一响，黄金万两吗"?
: 2003年似乎也是恢复初期，伊拉克打仗似乎一点都不影响牛市。
| w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 4 不知道呀.
我真是感觉被恶心坏了.
【在 w*******o 的大作中提到】
: 诺贝尔和平奖得主奥8说了:"有些战争是为了和平而战的"
: 吐着吐着就习惯了。
: 村长，这次还会像2003年打伊拉克一样:"大炮一响，黄金万两吗"?
: 2003年似乎也是恢复初期，伊拉克打仗似乎一点都不影响牛市。
| b*******2
发帖数: 3202 | 5 西方这种婊子，到处撒疯，自取灭亡。萨科奇，踩上凳子都没一米一，娶了个妓女做老
婆。奥巴马脑袋明显是让门给夹了，说话像吃了屎一样，噎死丫 | s*****2
发帖数: 1035 | 6 西方的虚伪嘴脸暴露无疑.
估计先开始的骚乱就是西方的阴谋, 为后面的武力入侵做准备. 看看历史上, 哪个事件
不是同样的模
板.
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 禁飞区看来不光是禁飞,基本上就是宣战.
| D*****i
发帖数: 8922 | | c****l
发帖数: 1693 | 8 看成法国坦克开始打飞机了。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 禁飞区看来不光是禁飞,基本上就是宣战.
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| Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 9 呵呵，明目张胆的抢啊。
有钱没实力是很危险的。。。那些个没有资源的小国的独裁者反而能善终，权位世代相
传。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 禁飞区看来不光是禁飞,基本上就是宣战.
| w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 10 这次的打击对卡扎菲太突然了,不然他应该囤积好足够多的防空..
不过也没用,美国可以发巡航导弹...
基本上是输定了.
打起帐来还是实力说话.
【在 Z****g 的大作中提到】
: 呵呵，明目张胆的抢啊。
: 有钱没实力是很危险的。。。那些个没有资源的小国的独裁者反而能善终，权位世代相
: 传。
| | | k********n
发帖数: 18523 | | Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 12 美国会遭天谴吗，呵呵
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 这次的打击对卡扎菲太突然了,不然他应该囤积好足够多的防空..
: 不过也没用,美国可以发巡航导弹...
: 基本上是输定了.
: 打起帐来还是实力说话.
| Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 13 是因为油价要跌的原因吗
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 下周上飞机。。。
| k********n
发帖数: 18523 | | Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 15 呵呵，无脑跟了这次。
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 看伊战中各航空的表现
| a*******n
发帖数: 187 | 16 美国上个星期就讨论过了，禁飞区就是要先消灭所有地对空的火力的。。。
美国是打酱油的，法国佬叫得最凶，不过没调查过背后的原因，谁出来说说？
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 禁飞区看来不光是禁飞,基本上就是宣战.
| k********n
发帖数: 18523 | 17 鬼子的代理叛军不争气，主子只好上了。
中国应该这时候大力出口武器了，学学美国发点战争材
别忘了把 MIC 标志去掉 | w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 18 遭天谴不是真的必然的，只是“坏人”出事情的时候，多些一般的人说这是天谴。
心里解气而已吧。
屠戮中国的日本遭受天灾，包括我在内一些中国人会认为这是天谴。但实际上说到底都
是口头逞快，没有力量，连预测这种天谴的能力都没有。
国际社会还是国家自己要进步和强壮是最重要的。
【在 Z****g 的大作中提到】
: 美国会遭天谴吗，呵呵
| a*******n
发帖数: 187 | 19 原来法国佬和利比亚有这样的渊源。。。
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/France%E2%80%93Libya_relations
【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 美国上个星期就讨论过了，禁飞区就是要先消灭所有地对空的火力的。。。
: 美国是打酱油的，法国佬叫得最凶，不过没调查过背后的原因，谁出来说说？
| w******s
发帖数: 16209 | | | | k********n
发帖数: 18523 | 21 搞不好会引发阿拉伯世界的反西方情绪，或反美情绪，新一轮恐怖活动又要登场了，全
球范围内的 | Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 22 嗯，就是这个理。
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 搞不好会引发阿拉伯世界的反西方情绪，或反美情绪，新一轮恐怖活动又要登场了，全
: 球范围内的
| k********n
发帖数: 18523 | 23 西方以保护平民为由惩戒老卡，结果110玫导弹造成更大平民伤害
A Libyan government spokesman said Saturday that instead of sending
international observers to witness a cease-fire, the coalition of
international allies chose military aggression.
Air attacks on several locations in Tripoli and Misrata have caused "real
harm" to civilians, the spokesman said. | w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 24 卡扎菲过一会儿要发表讲话了。
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 西方以保护平民为由惩戒老卡，结果110玫导弹造成更大平民伤害
: A Libyan government spokesman said Saturday that instead of sending
: international observers to witness a cease-fire, the coalition of
: international allies chose military aggression.
: Air attacks on several locations in Tripoli and Misrata have caused "real
: harm" to civilians, the spokesman said.
| c****l
发帖数: 1693 | 25 估计要投降了，然后周一暴涨。
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 卡扎菲过一会儿要发表讲话了。
| Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 26 据说这厮为防暗杀，整容不打麻药？
【在 w******s 的大作中提到】
: 卡扎菲过一会儿要发表讲话了。
| a******w
发帖数: 100 | 27 估计老卡要挂了，现在赶紧加仓。
老卡如果赶紧跟美国法国把价钱谈拢，估计还有戏。不过不管怎么样，对股市都是利好
消息。 | H********7
发帖数: 2369 | 28 不会
你自己看一下最近的新闻
美国最后决定出兵，就是因为阿拉伯联盟支持对利比亚动武。
在这之前，美国一直不愿动武，就是担心阿拉伯世界的反对。
【在 k********n 的大作中提到】
: 搞不好会引发阿拉伯世界的反西方情绪，或反美情绪，新一轮恐怖活动又要登场了，全
: 球范围内的
| Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 29 你给讲讲，为什么阿拉伯联盟支持对利比亚动武，对他们有什么好处呢？有点想不明白
【在 H********7 的大作中提到】
: 不会
: 你自己看一下最近的新闻
: 美国最后决定出兵，就是因为阿拉伯联盟支持对利比亚动武。
: 在这之前，美国一直不愿动武，就是担心阿拉伯世界的反对。
| w******s
发帖数: 16209 | 30 被收买和恐吓了?
【在 Z****g 的大作中提到】
: 你给讲讲，为什么阿拉伯联盟支持对利比亚动武，对他们有什么好处呢？有点想不明白
| | | a*******n
发帖数: 187 | 31 不能站在人民的对立面上啊。。。
【在 Z****g 的大作中提到】
: 你给讲讲，为什么阿拉伯联盟支持对利比亚动武，对他们有什么好处呢？有点想不明白
| Z****g
发帖数: 13731 | 32 看似被美帝 DIVIDE AND CONQUERED
【在 a*******n 的大作中提到】
: 不能站在人民的对立面上啊。。。
| H********7
发帖数: 2369 | 33 Just last Monday, when Nicolas Sarkozy urged Hillary Clinton to get the U.S.
behind an international intervention in Libya, she demurred. The U.S.
Secretary of State warned the French president that a war could be risky and
bloody, say officials from both countries who were briefed on the exchange.
Yet by the weekend, France, the U.S. and an international coalition stood
poised to take 'all necessary measures' -- code for military strikes -- in
Libya, under United Nations authority.
In hindsight, the meeting at the Elysee Palace in Paris was the launch point
for four frantic days of diplomacy that turned the Obama administration
toward intervention, western and Arab diplomats say. A lot of factors drove
the shift, they say, including the administration's concern about being out
of step with the changes sweeping the Arab world and of being outmaneuvered
by the U.K. and especially France, both more aggressive advocates of
intervention.
Col. Moammar Gadhafi, Libya's leader, himself helped, unifying the U.N.
powers with a relentless military campaign that threatened to snuff out a
pro-democracy rebellion and set off a bloodbath among rebels and civilians.
That prospect alarmed Obama advisers, including U.N. Ambassador Susan Rice
and National Security Council staffer Samantha Power. Both had made their
names in part by arguing that the West's inaction during the Rwandan
genocide in the 1990s made it morally complicit.
'Susan Rice didn't want a Rwanda on her hands,' said a senior Arab diplomat
deeply involved in the negotiations.
The uprising had begun in mid-February, when disaffected Libyans in the
country's east, heartened by revolutions in Egypt and Tunisia, took to the
streets and seized control of the city of Benghazi. After the revolt spread,
Col. Gadhafi's forces rallied behind tanks and airpower and launched a
fierce counterattack. Until the U.N. passed its resolution, loyalist forces
appeared ready to retake Benghazi.
With images of the fighting spreading around the globe, the U.S. found
itself lagging behind the more aggressive postures taken by Europe. On Feb.
28, British Prime Minister David Cameron declared, 'We must not tolerate
this regime using military force against its own people,' and ordered his
Ministry of Defence to begin drawing plans to forcibly close Libyan air
space to Col. Gadhafi's military planes -- a so-called no-fly zone.
The zeal for action was slower to crystallize in Paris. But on March 10, Mr.
Sarkozy met with two representatives of the Libyan Transitional National
Council, the main Libyan opposition. Afterward, a Sarkozy spokesman said
France would recognize the National Council as the 'legitimate
representative of the Libyan people.' The same day, French officials said
they would propose air strikes under a U.N. resolution, if Arab countries
gave support.
But the Americans remained elusive. 'We knew we needed the U.S. in order for
any military action to work,' said a French diplomat.
A few days after the violence spiked on Feb 17, Mr. Obama had asked Adm.
Mike Mullen, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, to craft military
options for Libya. The president sought detailed pros and cons for each
option, including cost estimates.
The Pentagon, already running wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, was leery -- and
officials made no secret of it. 'We're kinda busy,' is the way one U.S.
defense official describes the thinking in the Pentagon, citing the strain
on U.S. forces in Afghanistan and Iraq. Other Navy forces were needed in the
Persian Gulf to keep Iran in check.
Sensitive to the perception in the Arab world that the U.S. was waging wars
against Islam, the administration never thought seriously of sending U.S.
ground forces to Libya.
On March 2, with calls for a no-fly zone rising, Defense Secretary Robert
Gates told a congressional hearing: 'Let's just call a spade a spade. . . .
A no-fly zone begins with an attack on Libya.' A Defense official said Mr.
Gates wasn't trying to shoot down the idea but to push back at what he saw
as 'flip and cavalier' comments from lawmakers and Libyan opposition leaders
that such an undertaking would be simple and risk-free.
On March 11, the interventionists lost more ground when other European Union
leaders refused to endorse Franco-British military proposals.
But as the West debated, Col. Gadhafi marched, his bombs and troops pushing
eastward and fraying rebel forces. At a March 10 Senate hearing, the
national intelligence director, James Clapper, predicted Col. Gadhafi would
eventually prevail.
Two days later came the first public sign of a shift, when the Arab League
endorsed the no-fly zone. That paid immediate diplomatic dividends, U.S.
officials said, as Russia quickly indicated it wouldn't veto a new
resolution and China followed suit. 'Active Arab participation was a
necessary condition for the U.S.,' said Nawaf Salam, Lebanon's ambassador to
the U.N., and a central player in drafting the resolution.
Then, on her Paris trip last Monday, Mrs. Clinton met not just with Mr.
Sarkozy but with members of the Libyan opposition, a critical step in
shifting her views, U.S. officials said.
Intelligence officials had worried that the rebels included Islamist
politicians and extremist groups. But Mrs. Clinton was reassured by a
meeting with Mahmoud Jibril, an opposition leader and economist.
Fears were growing, meanwhile, that any U.N. action would come too late. The
French pressed Washington, telling its diplomats that Paris and London
could launch military strikes unilaterally. 'I think the U.S. realized that
it could be left behind,' said a French diplomat.
By Tuesday, a shift was under way. At an afternoon meeting, Mr. Obama told
top officials international pressure was not stopping Col. Gadhafi and that
a no-fly zone alone wasn't enough to avert defeat for the rebels. He asked
for a more military and diplomatic options.
That night, the president dined with top U.S. military commanders as
National Security Adviser Tom Donilon sketched out new military and
diplomatic options. Top officials reconvened at 9 p.m. Two hours later, Mr.
Obama instructed Mrs. Rice to push for a U.N. Security Council resolution
authorizing the use of 'all necessary measures' to protect civilians.
'I think mass atrocities, and the specter of mass killings, really gave a
sense of urgency and gravity to what might occur if he went into Benghazi,'
said Ms. Rice. 'Anyone who has had any previous experience with genocide or
with mass atrocities had to be aware of this.'
On Thursday, the resolution passed, with the U.S. and nine other Security
Council members voting for it, five abstaining.
'For a while, I was worried we would be abandoned,' said Ali Aujali, Libya's
ambassador to Washington before breaking with Col. Gadhafi last month. He
met Mrs. Clinton last week to press the rebel cause. 'The march of the
liberation of the Libyan people,' he said, 'must not stop.'
Adam Entous/Jay Solomon/Alistair MacDonald
【在 Z****g 的大作中提到】
: 你给讲讲，为什么阿拉伯联盟支持对利比亚动武，对他们有什么好处呢？有点想不明白
| t****g
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