f****r 发帖数: 5118 | 1 一直没有跟踪了,才发现价格已经跌入俺的法眼了
最近有啥坏消息? |
m*********0 发帖数: 1139 | 2
挺好的一家公司 可惜图形太差
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : 一直没有跟踪了,才发现价格已经跌入俺的法眼了 : 最近有啥坏消息?
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l**********o 发帖数: 1573 | 3
大佬联合打击ackman,让其爆仓?
之前有一天跌了10% 说是一个供货商不在继续和他家合作了,后来JCP出来辟谣,但是
无济于事,这两天一直阴跌到现在。
30亿不到,房地产估计都值这些钱吧?
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : 一直没有跟踪了,才发现价格已经跌入俺的法眼了 : 最近有啥坏消息?
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f****r 发帖数: 5118 | 4 JCP 拥有的房产就有3 billion?
【在 l**********o 的大作中提到】 : : 大佬联合打击ackman,让其爆仓? : 之前有一天跌了10% 说是一个供货商不在继续和他家合作了,后来JCP出来辟谣,但是 : 无济于事,这两天一直阴跌到现在。 : 30亿不到,房地产估计都值这些钱吧?
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D******e 发帖数: 11265 | 5 私有化吧,
这是什么股市?纯粹是个人恩怨角斗场,
再谈什么市场公平就贻笑大方了。
可以买些放着等私有化。 |
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l**********o 发帖数: 1573 | 7
是$4.1 billion 但是是正常运营的状况 不是清算的估值
早些时候的一篇文章
An independent appraisal has come back and it has valued JCP's entire real
estate portfolio at $4.1 billion. Before you get excited about this figure (
given that JCP's current market value is $4.2 billion at the current share
price of $19), remember that bondholders get paid before equity holders. JCP
has $2.6 billion of net debt already, so if you value the company's retail
operations at zero, the net value of the real estate to stockholders is only
$1.5 billion, or $7 per share.
But wait, it gets worse. That $4.1 billion valuation for JCP's real estate
is a "lit value" appraisal, meaning it assumes that the stores remain open.
If JCP were to close its stores and sell the real estate to another retailer
or a commercial real estate developer, then the "dark value" appraisal
comes into play. This number is far lower, at $2.2 billion, according to the
independent work done by JCP's appraiser. The difference accounts for the
fact that a new owner would have to invest a lot of money into the
properties to renovate them for a new tenant.
So, the true value of JCP's real estate portfolio to shareholders is
actually zero, because that $2.2 billion in dark value would not even make
the unsecured debt holders whole. That would come from inventory
liquidations and other asset sales (JCP's inventory last quarter was valued
at $2.3 billion, at full retail price).
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : JCP 拥有的房产就有3 billion?
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u**********n 发帖数: 8905 | |
l**********o 发帖数: 1573 | 9
破产肯定不会
大不了私有化
只是价格跌到什么时候会有人入手
不好猜
【在 u**********n 的大作中提到】 : 赌它不破产。
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x***n 发帖数: 2658 | 11 ha 11进
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : Ackman成本价$13,大家看着办吧
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l**********o 发帖数: 1573 | 12
我擦
这厮真是精
成本这么低
难怪跌了这么多
也不用担心的
那至少得到10再说了
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : Ackman成本价$13,大家看着办吧
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w*********u 发帖数: 392 | 13 有链接吗?
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : Ackman成本价$13,大家看着办吧
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f****r 发帖数: 5118 | 15 索罗斯抛弃 Ackman 了
(Reuters) - Soros Fund Management LLC is withdrawing its money with William
Ackman's Pershing Square Capital Management due to performance, according to
a person close to the matter.
Pershing is in the process of returning the money to Soros, less than $250
million, by early 2014, the person said.
(Reporting By Jennifer Ablan)
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/soros-fund-withdrawing-money-pers |
w*********u 发帖数: 392 | 16 呵,你也够快的啊
William
to
【在 f****r 的大作中提到】 : 索罗斯抛弃 Ackman 了 : (Reuters) - Soros Fund Management LLC is withdrawing its money with William : Ackman's Pershing Square Capital Management due to performance, according to : a person close to the matter. : Pershing is in the process of returning the money to Soros, less than $250 : million, by early 2014, the person said. : (Reporting By Jennifer Ablan) : http://finance.yahoo.com/news/soros-fund-withdrawing-money-pers
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f****r 发帖数: 5118 | 17 我一直紧盯 JCP
【在 w*********u 的大作中提到】 : 呵,你也够快的啊 : : William : to
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D******e 发帖数: 11265 | |
l**********o 发帖数: 1573 | 19
this sounds about right...
【在 D******e 的大作中提到】 : No, his cost is $28..
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f****r 发帖数: 5118 | 21 都在季报里,自己分析吧,没有现成的
【在 w*********u 的大作中提到】 : 有链接没有,这个证据有用处。
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l**********o 发帖数: 1573 | 22 From Aug. 17 through Aug. 26, Pershing Square accumulated just under 11.6
million shares of Penney at an average cost of about $20.63 apiece, putting
Mr. Ackman just below the 5% threshold requiring stake disclosure. There Mr.
Ackman waited, undetected, for more than a month while evaluating his
target and contemplating the next move. Then, on Sept. 28, the hedge fund
negotiated an over-the-counter "call" option with a counterparty that
allowed it to buy four million shares, between then and Dec. 27, at just $12
.24 apiece. That took his potential ownership to federal filing territory.
Pershing Square paid $12.86 apiece for these options, and because it
exercised them early it pocketed a fee that lowered the average exercise
price to $12.04 apiece, making its total purchase price for those four
million shares $24.90 apiece. Mr. Ackman then, operating in secrecy under
the 10-day window investors are given to file the initial ownership
documents, went on a buying binge. All told, Pershing Square paid about $903
million for its entire Penney position, and just its common stock alone is
already worth more than $1.14 billion following Friday's run-up on the news.
Read more at http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/andrew-ross-sorkin-is-dead-wrong-about-ackmans-jc-penney-loss-35209/#IGEMe3V1CpsxtEW5.99
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In case you don't know math well enough to understand our calculations,
consider this - last October at the Value Investing Conference Bill Ackman
stated that his average cost of the JCP position is $25 per share (however
this estimate probably includes later purchases by Ackman - some of which
were made when the stock was trading as high as $38 a piece).
Andrew Ross Sorkin is clearly wrong about Ackman's loss in J.C. Penney.
Ackman's initial cost was less than $21. The average cost for Ackman's
entire position is probably less than $25 and that's only because he decided
to triple his initial investment. Ackman's loss from his initial position
is 8%, not 31% as Andrew Ross Sorkin claims. Ackman's loss from his entire
position is 24%, still less than the 31% "estimated" by Andrew Ross Sorkin.
Read more at http://www.insidermonkey.com/blog/andrew-ross-sorkin-is-dead-wrong-about-ackmans-jc-penney-loss-35209/#IGEMe3V1CpsxtEW5.99
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又有正股又有call,不太好算,但是大概应该成本是在$19-$25一股之间吧
所以ackman还是亏了不少的? |
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