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Black box hedge funds lead winners from oil collapse
Reuters
13 minutes ago
By Simon Jessop and Barani Krishnan
LONDON/NEW YORK (Reuters) - To make money from the sharp fall in oil prices
this year, it helped if you weren't human.
While a handful of big name traders have profited from some of oil's 35
percent plunge, it has been computer-based or "systematic" funds which have
captured much of the spoils.
These black box funds use programs to follow various asset classes and look
to latch on to market trends. So after crude lost 46 percent in 2014, they
were already betting strongly at the start of this year that the trend would
continue, largely through oil futures and other energy derivatives markets.
Apart from a modest recovery early this year, crude prices have mostly been
a one-way bet and now languish 66 percent below their levels around $115 a
barrel 18 months ago.
"The main beneficiaries have been the systematic, or trend-following guys,"
said Anthony Lawler, head of portfolio management at investor GAM. "The
stronger the trend, the bigger the position ... Since the middle of 2014,
oil's been trending lower, so that's quite a long trend. As a result, they
have meaningful exposure in energy."
By the laws of economics, the oil market will turn back up at some point and
trend-following funds may struggle then. But in the meantime, some are
producing impressive returns. Millburn Commodity Program, for instance, was
up 25.3 percent in the year to Dec. 15, performance data seen by Reuters
showed.
"Discretionary" funds - those where a living person pushes the trading
button - can come into their own when the market turns.
But Lawler said they typically cut their negative bets when crude fell below
$40 a barrel this month, believing the market had hit its floor. Instead it
kept falling to around $36 on Tuesday, showing how hard it is for flesh-and
-blood traders to get their timing right in a rumor-fueled market.
The fall has hit funds of all stripes holding energy stocks and debt, and
buoyed those which invest in firms that are large consumers of energy and
have therefore benefited through lower costs. Energy-focused discretionary
funds have been the purest play on the move, and their performances vary
considerably.
Taylor Woods Capital, for example, rode the oil market down for a third
straight year of double-digit percentage gains and its best since 2013.
However, oil trader Andy Hall's Astenbeck Capital Management stands to lose
hundreds of millions of dollars from his so far failed bet on a crude price
recovery.
On average, energy-focused hedge funds have risen 3.6 percent in the year to
November, trumping their commodity peers which have fallen 2.4 percent, HFR
data showed. The average fund of any strategy, meanwhile, is up 0.3 percent.
WINNERS, LOSERS
Taylor Woods, run by former Credit Suisse traders Beau Taylor and Trevor
Woods, posted a 20 percent gain in the year to mid-December. The Greenwich,
Connecticut-based hedge fund started the year with about $1 billion in
assets and could make $200 million in profit if it maintains its performance
to the end of the year, people familiar with its funding and returns said.
Investors stuck by the fund even when crude prices unexpectedly jumped 25
percent in April during the short-lived rally. "They had low volatility in
some of the most challenging times," an industry source said, noting
withdrawals that month had been a relatively modest 5 percent of the total
sum invested. "That sort of risk management was rare this year."
Taylor Woods declined comment when contacted by Reuters.
Just behind lies the $615 million London-based Andurand Capital, run by
former Vitol oil trader Pierre Andurand, which is up 8 percent in the year
to Dec. 11.
Andurand - who achieved a return of 210 percent in 2008 after correctly
calling an oil price jump and subsequent collapse - told investors recently
that crude may fall below $25 in the first quarter of next year, and he was
using options to benefit from the move.
Andy Hall has been one of the most successful fund managers of the last
decade but this year Astenbeck is among the worst performers. The fund,
based in Southport, Connecticut, lost 26 percent in the year to November as
he stuck to his conviction that oil prices would recover.
This year's decline is the largest ever for Astenbeck, which manages more
than $2 billion and was launched by Hall in 2008. Its biggest annual drop
before this was 8 percent in 2013.
Hall did not respond to requests for comment. But in a letter to investors
earlier this month he refused to back down from his conviction.
"There is certainly still a chance of lower prices in the next month or so,
but weighing that possibility against the virtual inevitability of higher
prices down the road leads to a simple conclusion: now is not the time to
exit the market".
Other laggards include New York-based BBL Commodities, down more than 10
percent in the year to November after beginning the year with more than $550
million, market sources said.
Run by ex-Goldman Sachs trader Jonathan Goldberg, it was one of the best
performing energy funds in 2014, gaining 51 percent.
Goldberg declined comment.
London-based Merchant Commodity Fund has also failed to maintain its strong
2014 performance. It lost 8 percent up to November, after a near 60 percent
gain in 2014.
Assets at Merchant declined from nearly $290 million in January to around $
210 million, a note circulated by the fund to investors and seen by Reuters
showed.
(editing by David Stamp)
W***n
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These big boys r betting with other people's money
W***n
发帖数: 11530
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Same for big boys,
it's a 0 sum game
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