a****a
发帖数: 3905 | 1 http://vr-zone.com/articles/xbox-engineer-reveals-microsofts-tr
Microsoft has been criticized and rebuked for their very restrictive system
and DRM policies with the next-generation Xbox One (lovingly called Xbone)
game console. With all the controversy around the Xbone related to DRM, Sony
clearly won the public favor with its choice of very intelligent words
while describing the state of PlayStation 4 and DRM on Sony’s next-gen game
console.
This anonymous Xbox One engineer posted a rather lengthy explanation as to
why Microsoft is sticking with its DRM policies.
PASTEBIN Post START
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>The thing is we suck at telling the story. The whole point of the DRM
switch from disc based to cloud based is to kill disc swapping, scratched
discs, bringing discs to friends house, trade-ins for shit value with
nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games
cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam’s model
requires a limited used game model.
>The thing is, the DRM is really really similar to steam… You can login
anywhere and play your games, anyone in your house can play with the family
xbox. The only diff is steam you have to sign in before playing, and Xbox
does it automatically at night for you (once per 24 hours)
>It’s a long tail strategy, just like steam. Steam had it’s growing pains
at the beginning with all it’s drm shit as well. [...] For digital
downloads steam had no real competition at the time, they were competing
against boxed sales. At the time people were pretty irate about steam, (on
4chan too…) It was only once they had a digital marketplace with DRM that
was locked down to prevent sharing that they could do super discounted shit.
>Think about it, on steam you get a game for the true cost of the game, 5$-
30$. On a console you have to pay for that PLUS any additional licenses for
when you sell / trade / borrow / etc. If the developer / publisher can’t
get it on additional licenses (like steam), then they charge the first
person more. [...] If we say “Hey publishers, you limit game to 39.99, we
ensure every license transfer you get 10$, gamestop gets 20$” that is a
decent model… Microsoft gets a license fee on first and subsequent game
purchases, compared to just first now? That’s a revenue increase.
>Competition is the best man, it helps drive both to new heights. See
technology from the Cold War. If we had no USSR, we’d be way worse off
today. TLDR: Bring it on Steam :)
2/4
>Yeah we passed that around the office at Xbox. Most of us were like “Well
played Sony, Well played”. That being said they are just riding the hype
train of ZOMG THEY ARE TRYING TO FUCK US FOR NO REASON. Without actually
thinking about how convienent it would be for the majority of the time to
not find that disc your brother didn’t put back… [...] just simpleminded
people not seeing the bigger picture. Some PS4 viral team made them all “U
TOOK R DISCS” and they hiveminded.
>Everyone and their mother complains about how gamestop fucks them on their
trade ins, getting 5$ for their used games. We come in trying to find a way
to take money out of gamestop, and put some in developers and get you
possibly cheaper games and everyone bitches at MS. Well, if you want the @#$
@ing from Gamestop, go play PS4.
>The goal is to move to digital downloads, but Gamestop, Walmart, Target,
Amazon are KIND OF FUCKING ENTRENCHED in the industry. They have a lot of
power, and the shift has to be gradual. Long term goal is steam for consoles
. [...] If you always want to stay with what you have, then keep current
consoles, or a PS4. We’re TRYING to move the industry forwards towards
digital distribution… it’sa bumpy road
>Publishers have enourmous power. Microsoft is trying to balance between
consumer delight, and publisher wishes. If we cave to far in either
direction you have a non-starting product. WiiU goes too far to consumer,
you have no 3rd party support to shake a stick at. PS4 is status-quo. XB1 is
trying to push some things, at the expense of others. We have a vision, we
’ll see if it works in the coming years
>Living room transformation. We want to own the living room. Every living
room TV with an XBox on input one. It’s the thing that gives the signal to
your TV, everything is secondary. The future, where games, TV, internet
telephony, all that shit happens magically on some huge ass screen with hand
/ voice gestures… That’s our goal.
3/4
>Google TV + PS4 + Minority report level gestures, that combined with a sick
second screen experience (which is really hot for TV, I know I know.. tv tv
tv tv tv… but it’s fucking sick when you have it). Games will be the same
, there are more exclusives to MS then PS atm, and Kinect 2 makes Kinect 1
look like a childs toy.
>By default it’s on, listening for “Xbox On”. You can turn it off tho,
and turn the console like OFF off. OFF off is required for Germany / other
countries that require it (no vampire appliances) [...] It has to be plugged
in for the console to post. You can turn off everything it does from the
settings. Think of it like airplane mode for the iPhone. You can’t just
unplug the cellular radio, but you can turn it off.
>Instead of 10mins, is 24hrs for your console, and 1 or 2 at a friends house
. Really the majority of people have a speck of internet at least once a day
. And if you don’t. Don’t buy an Xbox 1. Just like if you didn’t have a
broadband connection don’t get Live, and if you don’t have an HDTV the 360
isn’t that great for you either. New tech, new req. This allows us to do
cool shit when we can assume things like you have a kinect, you have
internet, etc.
>Current plan is basically you’re fucked after 24 hours. Yeah… I know.
Kind of sucks. I believe they will probably revist the time period and / or
find a diff way to “call in” to ensure you haven’t sold your license to
gamestop or something… but there is no plan YET. I’m hoping the change it,
but I don’t work on that so I don’t have much influence there /sigh
>If the power goes out you ain’t playing shit. I’m assuming you mean the
internet goes out but you have power for TV and Xbox. Yes, You’re fucked
for single player games. Again, that’s the PoR (Plan of record), but I
expect it to change after the e3 clusterfuck
>What fee? There is no fee to play your games at your friends house. Never
has, never will. Even x360 digital downloads could do that.
4/4
>The cloud capabilities is the shit they like the most. We basically made a
huge cloud compute shit and made it free. What people are doing with it is
kind of cool. THe original intention was to get all the Multiplayer servers
not requiring 3rd party costs (Like EA shutting down game servers to cut
costs), as well as taking all the games that servers hosted by the clients (
Halo, etc), and have all that compute done in the cloud allowing more CPU
cycles for gameplay. That will really expand what developers can do.
Anything that doesn’t need per frame calculation and can handle 100ms
delays can be shifted to the cloud. That’s huge.
>SmartGlass + IE is going to be pretty freaking sweet. 1 finger cursor, 2
finger direct manip. Basically if you think of a laptop trackpad where your
phone/ slate is the trackpad and the monitor is your TV… it’s that. The
tech is there, just needs to be applied. There is some really cool shit
going on with Petra + controllers that pairs people with controllers. So if
person with controller two trades controlers with controller 1, their
profiles magically switch. It’s sick. What does this matter? Now if you
lean left/right it knows which person is leaning, even if 4 people are all
int he same room. It’s awesome.
>New service using Azure for cloud compute. Allows developers to not use
clients for hosting multiplayer servers, or other tasks that do not require
per frame calcuations. It’s pretty sweet.
>Honestly, if you care about anything other then pure games AT ALL. Xbox 1 >
PS4. If all you do is play games, and nothing else, PS4.
This was all from the Microsoft engineer that was on /b/ last night.
>It’s not worth my time to prove it, or risk my Job. I work in Studio A,
40th ave in Redmond, Wa. The thai place in the studio cafeteria has double
punch wednesdays. Go ahead and call them and verify if you want
PASTEBIN Post END | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 2 @@
看到这儿就看不下去了， 这杰宝神马
trade-ins for shit value with
nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games
cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam’s model
requires a limited used game model.
连翔都出来了， typo 这么多， 还杰宝xbox engineer reveals
明显的一12岁XB饭小屁孩子在twitter 上需要attention 写的
转贴请慎重
system
Sony
game
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: http://vr-zone.com/articles/xbox-engineer-reveals-microsofts-tr
: Microsoft has been criticized and rebuked for their very restrictive system
: and DRM policies with the next-generation Xbox One (lovingly called Xbone)
: game console. With all the controversy around the Xbone related to DRM, Sony
: clearly won the public favor with its choice of very intelligent words
: while describing the state of PlayStation 4 and DRM on Sony’s next-gen game
: console.
: This anonymous Xbox One engineer posted a rather lengthy explanation as to
: why Microsoft is sticking with its DRM policies.
: PASTEBIN Post START
| i****x
发帖数: 17565 | 3 太长，不过我就一句话：
ms想禁止二手游戏交易，ok没问题，把游戏零售价降下来再说。同样的游戏，如果是
ps4版$60，x1版$40，还算说得过去。如果ps4版$60，x1版也$60，鲍大爷您哪凉快哪呆
着去。 | c******n
发帖数: 16666 | | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 5 翔了不止两次了都， 不看了
不是说engineer不能说翔， 是engineer的估计都知道， 大家一直说翔， 和干， 没问题
但是如果你丫知道你的 话要在website 上发出来，说这种话直接导致没有credibility
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: @@
: 看到这儿就看不下去了， 这杰宝神马
: trade-ins for shit value with
: nothign going back to developers, and high game costs. If you want games
: cheaper then 59.99, you have to limit used games somehow. Steam’s model
: requires a limited used game model.
: 连翔都出来了， typo 这么多， 还杰宝xbox engineer reveals
: 明显的一12岁XB饭小屁孩子在twitter 上需要attention 写的
: 转贴请慎重
:
| b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 6 如果事实证明xbox one的游戏真的能比Ps4的游戏便宜起码15块， 那应该买帐的人会很
多。 关键是现在没有任何证据。
Note：Xbox组的人太脑残了。 竟然说什么如果只care 游戏， 就去买Ps4. What the
FXXX.
这意思就是说所有hardcore玩家。 别买Xbox one了。 | b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 7 这个24小时点名是最脑残的政策。 Tmd万一大雪封山断电超过一天， everything's
fucked. | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 8 你看完了？
帖子里是这么说的？
只能看几个大的网站， 这种垃圾网站为了点击率， 啥杰宝都往上放啊
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: 如果事实证明xbox one的游戏真的能比Ps4的游戏便宜起码15块， 那应该买帐的人会很
: 多。 关键是现在没有任何证据。
: Note：Xbox组的人太脑残了。 竟然说什么如果只care 游戏， 就去买Ps4. What the
: FXXX.
: 这意思就是说所有hardcore玩家。 别买Xbox one了。
| l******n
发帖数: 11737 | 9 微軟關心的只是標準，假如手機，pad，遊戲機，機頂盒全都用windows系統，保證馬上
退出所有硬件行業，就跟他自己不生產MS牌的PC一樣。X360除了始料未及的三紅，其他
還是不錯的，應該說中前期爲了普及很好的打了核心玩家這張牌。不過這後期明顯越來
越懶得關心核心玩家了，心思全在機頂盒上面，更不要說XBone了。 | b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 10 帖子里的原话就是这么说的。
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 你看完了？
: 帖子里是这么说的？
: 只能看几个大的网站， 这种垃圾网站为了点击率， 啥杰宝都往上放啊
| | | t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 11 xbox engineer: just bring your xbox 360, you dick
LOL
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: 这个24小时点名是最脑残的政策。 Tmd万一大雪封山断电超过一天， everything's
: fucked.
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 12 这绝对是个傻逼teen 写地。。。
不要被忽悠了
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: 帖子里的原话就是这么说的。
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 13 也有可能是sony 的水军在搞无间道， LOL
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 这绝对是个傻逼teen 写地。。。
: 不要被忽悠了
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 14 不过就是搞地不大像啊
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 也有可能是sony 的水军在搞无间道， LOL
| b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 15 这个傻B确实像微软员工。
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 这绝对是个傻逼teen 写地。。。
: 不要被忽悠了
| s****t
发帖数: 17096 | 16 我终于知道杰宝是谁了
【在 t******g 的大作中提到】
: 你看完了？
: 帖子里是这么说的？
: 只能看几个大的网站， 这种垃圾网站为了点击率， 啥杰宝都往上放啊
| t******g
发帖数: 17520 | 17 我持保留意见
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: 这个傻B确实像微软员工。
| C********n
发帖数: 6682 | 18 我觉得写这个的比那个让没网的人去买x360的智商还是要高一些
【在 b********7 的大作中提到】
: 这个傻B确实像微软员工。
| b********7
发帖数: 12906 | 19 所以我觉得他像微软“员工”而不是微软“高层”。
【在 C********n 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得写这个的比那个让没网的人去买x360的智商还是要高一些
| Z*****l
发帖数: 14069 | 20 到处都能玩？好像下载不需要时间一样。
system
Sony
game
【在 a****a 的大作中提到】
: http://vr-zone.com/articles/xbox-engineer-reveals-microsofts-tr
: Microsoft has been criticized and rebuked for their very restrictive system
: and DRM policies with the next-generation Xbox One (lovingly called Xbone)
: game console. With all the controversy around the Xbone related to DRM, Sony
: clearly won the public favor with its choice of very intelligent words
: while describing the state of PlayStation 4 and DRM on Sony’s next-gen game
: console.
: This anonymous Xbox One engineer posted a rather lengthy explanation as to
: why Microsoft is sticking with its DRM policies.
: PASTEBIN Post START
| k**0
发帖数: 19737 | | c******n
发帖数: 16666 | 22 盖兹策略性漠视win+office在发展中国家盗版猖獗
【在 k**0 的大作中提到】
: 盖兹在微软的时候大概不会搞出这种奇葩策略
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