A**U
发帖数: 1116 | 1 Haven't played for a while. Last night played a game with coworkers.
Had K9 suited UTG. Raised to 7 chips and got 5 callers.
Flop JJ3. Checked around.
Turn J. Checked to me, I said, ok, let me do it. I bet 15 chips.
Everybody folded, and big blind threw his 33 face up.
And the river-to-come would be the last 3. | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 hehe, he put you on a pocket pair?
【在 A**U 的大作中提到】
: Haven't played for a while. Last night played a game with coworkers.
: Had K9 suited UTG. Raised to 7 chips and got 5 callers.
: Flop JJ3. Checked around.
: Turn J. Checked to me, I said, ok, let me do it. I bet 15 chips.
: Everybody folded, and big blind threw his 33 face up.
: And the river-to-come would be the last 3.
| h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 3 15 / 15+7*6
should at least call ba.
【在 A**U 的大作中提到】
: Haven't played for a while. Last night played a game with coworkers.
: Had K9 suited UTG. Raised to 7 chips and got 5 callers.
: Flop JJ3. Checked around.
: Turn J. Checked to me, I said, ok, let me do it. I bet 15 chips.
: Everybody folded, and big blind threw his 33 face up.
: And the river-to-come would be the last 3.
| A**U
发帖数: 1116 | 4 yes he said he thought that i had pocket pair.
but if i were in his shoes, i would at least call/more likely raise because
as said above the bet was not big and the better could only hold two high
cards.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: hehe, he put you on a pocket pair?
| h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 5 if flop is JJ4,
fold 33 is more reasonable?
because
【在 A**U 的大作中提到】
: yes he said he thought that i had pocket pair.
: but if i were in his shoes, i would at least call/more likely raise because
: as said above the bet was not big and the better could only hold two high
: cards.
| A**U
发帖数: 1116 | 6 Flop JJx, x didn't really matter on the turn as there was no action on the
flop. He would have been the last person to act on the turn after my bet.
【在 h****h 的大作中提到】
: if flop is JJ4,
: fold 33 is more reasonable?
:
: because
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 7 slow play sucks.
【在 A**U 的大作中提到】
: Haven't played for a while. Last night played a game with coworkers.
: Had K9 suited UTG. Raised to 7 chips and got 5 callers.
: Flop JJ3. Checked around.
: Turn J. Checked to me, I said, ok, let me do it. I bet 15 chips.
: Everybody folded, and big blind threw his 33 face up.
: And the river-to-come would be the last 3.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 8 it actually depends, slowplay works best against those who like bluffing
a lot. In that case, slowplay would usually win one or two bets.
Also, when one is out of position, slowplay can be a good weapon to stop
bluffing.
scored or assisted by McGrady; in Game 7 all but nine were.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: slow play sucks.
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 9 everything depends, but generally slow play sucks. Most ppl slow play too
much and lose value because of it. Don't slow play unless you have a very
good reason.
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: it actually depends, slowplay works best against those who like bluffing
: a lot. In that case, slowplay would usually win one or two bets.
: Also, when one is out of position, slowplay can be a good weapon to stop
: bluffing.
:
: scored or assisted by McGrady; in Game 7 all but nine were.
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 10 Well, when you watch Ivey's game, you may find that he actually slowplays
a lot when he's out of position. For deep stacks, actually one has
to slowplay a lot when out of position with non-nut hands. For example,
suppose, you raise KJs preflop in late position, button calls,
then you bet pot in a J85 rainbow flop, button calls again, now comes 9,
you bet 2/3 pot, got raise 3 times, now you just put yourself in an awkward
situation. the pot is pretty big, the raise isn't very big, but it's not
sm
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: everything depends, but generally slow play sucks. Most ppl slow play too
: much and lose value because of it. Don't slow play unless you have a very
: good reason.
| | | h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 11 i agree.
when you are short stack, you just can't afford slow play.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: slow play sucks.
| h****h
发帖数: 1168 | 12 but most of times,
the chance of you bet pot size and got reraise on the turn is very small. th
ey hit the odds, what can you say?
awkward
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Well, when you watch Ivey's game, you may find that he actually slowplays
: a lot when he's out of position. For deep stacks, actually one has
: to slowplay a lot when out of position with non-nut hands. For example,
: suppose, you raise KJs preflop in late position, button calls,
: then you bet pot in a J85 rainbow flop, button calls again, now comes 9,
: you bet 2/3 pot, got raise 3 times, now you just put yourself in an awkward
: situation. the pot is pretty big, the raise isn't very big, but it's not
: sm
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 13 well, against tough players, you may often meet such kind of situations.
The preflop call and flop call don't mean much cause they are small
bets comparing with your deep stack, the turn raise often means much
but still can be based on a bluff sometimes, they just mix it up
and make it very awkward for you that no matter you fold or not, you
lose.
th
slowplays
flop
【在 h****h 的大作中提到】
: but most of times,
: the chance of you bet pot size and got reraise on the turn is very small. th
: ey hit the odds, what can you say?
:
: awkward
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 14 check top pair top kicker type of hand is not slow play. It's more like pot
control. We are talking about a made full house here, and there are like a
billion ppl in the pot.
awkward
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Well, when you watch Ivey's game, you may find that he actually slowplays
: a lot when he's out of position. For deep stacks, actually one has
: to slowplay a lot when out of position with non-nut hands. For example,
: suppose, you raise KJs preflop in late position, button calls,
: then you bet pot in a J85 rainbow flop, button calls again, now comes 9,
: you bet 2/3 pot, got raise 3 times, now you just put yourself in an awkward
: situation. the pot is pretty big, the raise isn't very big, but it's not
: sm
| i********r
发帖数: 1153 | 15 another thing is phil ivey most likely wasn't playing against donkeys. so he
had to get tricky with some of his good hands to get paid. we, however,
are most likely playing against donkeys.
awkward
【在 c****u 的大作中提到】
: Well, when you watch Ivey's game, you may find that he actually slowplays
: a lot when he's out of position. For deep stacks, actually one has
: to slowplay a lot when out of position with non-nut hands. For example,
: suppose, you raise KJs preflop in late position, button calls,
: then you bet pot in a J85 rainbow flop, button calls again, now comes 9,
: you bet 2/3 pot, got raise 3 times, now you just put yourself in an awkward
: situation. the pot is pretty big, the raise isn't very big, but it's not
: sm
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 16 that's a different story, when you may nuts, you want to charge the
non-nut hands.
pot
slowplays
flop
scored or assisted by McGrady; in Game 7 all but nine were.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: check top pair top kicker type of hand is not slow play. It's more like pot
: control. We are talking about a made full house here, and there are like a
: billion ppl in the pot.
:
: awkward
| c****u
发帖数: 3277 | 17 well, actually you can see tons of donkey behaviors at high stake tables...
he
slowplays
flop
scored or assisted by McGrady; in Game 7 all but nine were.
【在 i********r 的大作中提到】
: another thing is phil ivey most likely wasn't playing against donkeys. so he
: had to get tricky with some of his good hands to get paid. we, however,
: are most likely playing against donkeys.
:
: awkward
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