l***o
发帖数: 302 | 1 $1-2NL, real casino table
me: JJ
opponent：AKo not blinds, big stake, very talktive guy
pre-flop: I rise to $12, all people folds except this guy called
flop: 7-7-3 rainbow, I bet $15, he called, i kinda felt he had no hand based
on my very unreliable observation.
turn: 2, I all in $29, he said you probably got it, but he still called.
river is a bloody A
Did I do anything wrong here? I guess my weakness was the short stake. He
did not care my remaining 50-60 bucks. Even if I all-ined preflop, he | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 nothing wrong, he got lucky only.
pre-flop all in is not good, you risk $60 to win $2, anyone who calls you
would either be way ahead (QQ+) or loose coin flip (AK, AQ);
flop all-in is not good either, only $24 in pot, you got $44 behind, unless
he's very loose, no way he calls your pre-flop raise with a 7x hand. after
his call, you should know you have the best hand here.
nothing wrong on turn, you would love to get called by AKo, and max your
profit, you're WAY ahead with 1 card coming.
don't f
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: $1-2NL, real casino table
: me: JJ
: opponent：AKo not blinds, big stake, very talktive guy
: pre-flop: I rise to $12, all people folds except this guy called
: flop: 7-7-3 rainbow, I bet $15, he called, i kinda felt he had no hand based
: on my very unreliable observation.
: turn: 2, I all in $29, he said you probably got it, but he still called.
: river is a bloody A
: Did I do anything wrong here? I guess my weakness was the short stake. He
: did not care my remaining 50-60 bucks. Even if I all-ined preflop, he
| k***n
发帖数: 849 | 3 People usually don't give you any credit when you short stack, live or
online. This is actually good for short stackers. I don't think you made any
mistakes in the hand. I wouldn't include results and what opponent had in
the discussion, though. I think people will give biased suggestion. | l***q
发帖数: 62 | 4 楼主你唯一的错就是你竟然质疑你打错了。
你在turn上超过80%的赢面all-in，相当于你pre-flop时AA对对手72o，难道你all-in的
时候希望他扔牌吗？
最后来了一个A，你输了，正是这不到20%的概率不断发生，你的对手才会不断call你，
你才会赢钱啊！否则你每次都100%胜出，扑克就成了下棋，没有哪个傻子会押注跟世界
冠军下棋的。 | l***q
发帖数: 62 | 5 你虽然打的很正确，你的对手在turn上也没犯什么大错。锅里50+，你压29，他基本上
是3：1的odds，假如你80%是overpair，10%是AK，10%是AQ-，那他的call就justify了。
即使他看到了你的牌JJ（100%sure），仍然call，他EV为112×15%-29=-13，也只不过
是13块钱的错误而已。 | r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 6 $44 remaining stack vs $24 pot, flop all in，主动commit。
这样对手AK的odd最差，更重要的是避免了turn上出over card(A,K,Q)的tough
decision。
based
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: $1-2NL, real casino table
: me: JJ
: opponent：AKo not blinds, big stake, very talktive guy
: pre-flop: I rise to $12, all people folds except this guy called
: flop: 7-7-3 rainbow, I bet $15, he called, i kinda felt he had no hand based
: on my very unreliable observation.
: turn: 2, I all in $29, he said you probably got it, but he still called.
: river is a bloody A
: Did I do anything wrong here? I guess my weakness was the short stake. He
: did not care my remaining 50-60 bucks. Even if I all-ined preflop, he
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 7 唯一的小问题是allin时筹码少了点（不过即使那样对方的call也很差）。
不过这个问题是无法克服的，flop的bet已经不算很大了，而flop bet更少或者allin都
不好。
如果再要深究的话，preflop可以少raise一点，3x即可，flop bet $10，然后allin，
hehe。不过没觉得楼主打得有什么问题。
【在 l***q 的大作中提到】
: 楼主你唯一的错就是你竟然质疑你打错了。
: 你在turn上超过80%的赢面all-in，相当于你pre-flop时AA对对手72o，难道你all-in的
: 时候希望他扔牌吗？
: 最后来了一个A，你输了，正是这不到20%的概率不断发生，你的对手才会不断call你，
: 你才会赢钱啊！否则你每次都100%胜出，扑克就成了下棋，没有哪个傻子会押注跟世界
: 冠军下棋的。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 这里归根结底还是个bankroll management的问题，可能OP事后比较懊恼，比较挂怀的
原因也多少是这个。
玩1/2 NL(或者任何)这样的赌注，你得很舒服才行，也就是别说这几十块，就是几百上
千的进出，你要有个充裕的bankroll来应对，出现这样的情况其实家常便饭，一句damn
就过去了。
楼上说得和俺想法一样，扑克就是赌概率，谁的判断在长期更稳定的接近正确，要是纯
赌100%技术，真是下棋，打高尔夫球更合适。昨天看Jennifer Harman的成名史，第一
次拿WSOP的金手链(duece to seven low ball)，居然只比赛前现跟别人学了5分钟规则
。扑克之所以风靡全球，就是在于任何人，任何牌都有机会。
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: 唯一的小问题是allin时筹码少了点（不过即使那样对方的call也很差）。
: 不过这个问题是无法克服的，flop的bet已经不算很大了，而flop bet更少或者allin都
: 不好。
: 如果再要深究的话，preflop可以少raise一点，3x即可，flop bet $10，然后allin，
: hehe。不过没觉得楼主打得有什么问题。
| l***o
发帖数: 302 | 9 在flop的时候有考虑过all-in，但是对方可能有AA, KK, QQ，22或是一个7，最后选择
value bet
想问问看各位认为flop是不是应该all-in?
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: $44 remaining stack vs $24 pot, flop all in，主动commit。
: 这样对手AK的odd最差，更重要的是避免了turn上出over card(A,K,Q)的tough
: decision。
:
: based
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 10 错，太WEAK了，AA/KK/QQ对你这么short stack，怎么可能不push??? 何况$12这种pre
flop raise在1/2NL桌上一般根本不算什么value bet。
flop上担心22，7x，更是离谱，首先pre flop很少会有人以这两手牌call你，真call了
，你压$15还是all-in($44)，你认为有区别么？你可能被他raise fold($27 in, $29 left)
么？你怎么着都已经committed了！
这个flop对你的JJ简直是最美的flop了，no over card, no draws, and a low pair.
如果你真是这么想的，那你需要看看书了，典型的新手思维方式，想赢怕输，自己越怕
什么就越觉得别人有什么，其结果不是miss big value就是走另一个极端，拿不起放不
下，经常被别人draw死。
最后，还是前面说的，玩扑克，咱们得玩自己觉得合适的筹码额，如果很在意桌子上的
几十块，一把牌的输赢，运气不好就更不自信...那应该适当玩小一点的，赌场没有更
小赌注的，可以网上玩。
【在 l***o 的大作中提到】
: 在flop的时候有考虑过all-in，但是对方可能有AA, KK, QQ，22或是一个7，最后选择
: value bet
: 想问问看各位认为flop是不是应该all-in?
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