p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 1 有啥办法dodge么,唉,今天连续2次,3分钟输300BB,背 | D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 2 bottom very slightly possible
middle no way
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 有啥办法dodge么,唉,今天连续2次,3分钟输300BB,背
| c**********o
发帖数: 213 | 3 in holdem it's just cooler, in PLO it's quite normal | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 4 都是middle, 唉,今天太郁闷了,被 bad beat, draw out的我都认了,还老碰到冤家牌
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: bottom very slightly possible
: middle no way
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 5 in PLO I can dodge, but it's hard to do it in holdem
【在 c**********o 的大作中提到】
: in holdem it's just cooler, in PLO it's quite normal
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 6 according to the book treat your poker like business, Phil Ivey 也dodge 不了
可能在 multi-pot, dry board, raise, rereaise, 再rereaise allin deep stack I
would fold | p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 7 what is dodge?
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: in PLO I can dodge, but it's hard to do it in holdem
| h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 8 dodge means avoid.
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: what is dodge?
| p**********1
发帖数: 1458 | 9 thanks.
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: dodge means avoid.
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 10 means I can fold it
【在 p**********1 的大作中提到】
: what is dodge?
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 if you're afraid of this, then follow me, don't full buy-in to lower your
risks, of course, lower your returns too, lol.
everyone goes broke here. set is the most powerful winner in holdem. one pro
made 7 sets of 22 one night, and it was his career high.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 有啥办法dodge么,唉,今天连续2次,3分钟输300BB,背
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 嗯,就是很郁闷, 其实holdem里面背运有2种
一种是draw out, bad beat
另外一种就是老是拿到second nuts, 这种其实比bad beat更让人郁闷
pro
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: if you're afraid of this, then follow me, don't full buy-in to lower your
: risks, of course, lower your returns too, lol.
: everyone goes broke here. set is the most powerful winner in holdem. one pro
: made 7 sets of 22 one night, and it was his career high.
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 13 我周末也一把， one middle position limped in, I called with AsJs, CO raise to 6bb, button called, MP folded, I called. flop KdQs9s, I checked, CO checked, button bet 16bb, I called, CO folded. Turn Ts, I checked, button checked. River Kd, I checked, button all in 60bb, I knew I would lost it but still called.
sigh! Button had KcQc.
how nice if river was Ks!
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 嗯,就是很郁闷, 其实holdem里面背运有2种
: 一种是draw out, bad beat
: 另外一种就是老是拿到second nuts, 这种其实比bad beat更让人郁闷
:
: pro
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 14 你为啥ｃｈｅｃｋ ｔｕｒｎ.... 这种ｂｏａｒｄ, 太可能２ ｐａｉｒｓ,就酸你
不怕ｄｒａｗ ｏｕｔ,也要ｂｕｉｌｄ ｐｏｔ啊.
to 6bb, button called, MP folded, I called. flop KdQs9s, I checked, CO
checked, button bet 16bb, I called, CO folded. Turn Ts, I checked, button
checked. River Kd, I checked,
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 我周末也一把， one middle position limped in, I called with AsJs, CO raise to 6bb, button called, MP folded, I called. flop KdQs9s, I checked, CO checked, button bet 16bb, I called, CO folded. Turn Ts, I checked, button checked. River Kd, I checked, button all in 60bb, I knew I would lost it but still called.
: sigh! Button had KcQc.
: how nice if river was Ks!
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 15 turn bet是个人风格问题， 主要是river second nuts不该call all in。
后来特别留意这种问题。
一次AA, 一次KK, 都是early position limp in, 被4，5个人跟，没人raise，nnd, 然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
有这种心态， 不容易输大pot。 看了一下玩家， 那些赢200+ BB的， 绝大多数都是我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 你为啥ｃｈｅｃｋ ｔｕｒｎ.... 这种ｂｏａｒｄ, 太可能２ ｐａｉｒｓ,就酸你
: 不怕ｄｒａｗ ｏｕｔ,也要ｂｕｉｌｄ ｐｏｔ啊.
:
: to 6bb, button called, MP folded, I called. flop KdQs9s, I checked, CO
: checked, button bet 16bb, I called, CO folded. Turn Ts, I checked, button
: checked. River Kd, I checked,
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 16 你这也的打法,很多该赚的钱都没赚...
然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: turn bet是个人风格问题， 主要是river second nuts不该call all in。
: 后来特别留意这种问题。
: 一次AA, 一次KK, 都是early position limp in, 被4，5个人跟，没人raise，nnd, 然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
: 有这种心态， 不容易输大pot。 看了一下玩家， 那些赢200+ BB的， 绝大多数都是我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 17 偶尔抓一两个AK/QQ 3bet就能翻倍。
我不是总limp in的， limp, 2bb, 3bb, 4bb交替来用， 看心情。
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 你这也的打法,很多该赚的钱都没赚...
:
: 然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
: 我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 18 I got KK beaten by 10.10 twice in one night on river (Rush, 10/25NL, all in).
Set, I guess no way out. Just pay to see the card.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 都是middle, 唉,今天太郁闷了,被 bad beat, draw out的我都认了,还老碰到冤家牌
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 19 Zan, are you play 1/2 NL?
Rush give 400 hands/hour, you would get AA/KK/QQ 5/6 times for an hour,
mini buy-in 40$, you would be rich.
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: 偶尔抓一两个AK/QQ 3bet就能翻倍。
: 我不是总limp in的， limp, 2bb, 3bb, 4bb交替来用， 看心情。
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 20 上上周on tilt， 一天输了1000刀， 现在退回到100NL了。
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: Zan, are you play 1/2 NL?
: Rush give 400 hands/hour, you would get AA/KK/QQ 5/6 times for an hour,
: mini buy-in 40$, you would be rich.
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 21 limping with AA/KK has to be at minimum and if you're very familiar with the
table.
not very wise in rush poker since table is constantly changing and you're
not playing short stack.
a "weakish" 2x or 2.5x is better if you expect LP raisers. you should never
let SB/BB see a cheap flop.
然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
【在 t*********d 的大作中提到】
: turn bet是个人风格问题， 主要是river second nuts不该call all in。
: 后来特别留意这种问题。
: 一次AA, 一次KK, 都是early position limp in, 被4，5个人跟，没人raise，nnd, 然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
: 有这种心态， 不容易输大pot。 看了一下玩家， 那些赢200+ BB的， 绝大多数都是我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
| t*********d
发帖数: 3398 | 22 我现在正开始向full buyin 转变， 呵呵， 每次80BB buyin, 学习玩steep stack.
pro
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: if you're afraid of this, then follow me, don't full buy-in to lower your
: risks, of course, lower your returns too, lol.
: everyone goes broke here. set is the most powerful winner in holdem. one pro
: made 7 sets of 22 one night, and it was his career high.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 23 totally agree. Don't slow play your monster. Always bet aggressively to
build up the pot when you have the nuts.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 你这也的打法,很多该赚的钱都没赚...
:
: 然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
: 我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
| s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 24 It is so true. But it is tough tough.
The best scenario is that there is 3BB proflop raise before you and you just
limp in.
If none, tough, tough. If just limp in, as you said, it exposes huge risk to
be beaten by trash hand.
Well, if you raise 3BB, 50+% chance are all fold and you just have SB/BB.
And you donot have AA/KK often.
I tried to raise 2BB but no good results. Seems 2BB is lethal than
3BB
pre-flop raise. More likely to have all others fold if you are at EP/MP.
the
never
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: limping with AA/KK has to be at minimum and if you're very familiar with the
: table.
: not very wise in rush poker since table is constantly changing and you're
: not playing short stack.
: a "weakish" 2x or 2.5x is better if you expect LP raisers. you should never
: let SB/BB see a cheap flop.
:
: 然后flop出来567之类的小牌，我就call 了一下flop, 别人turn再bet, 我就fold了。
: 我note上很紧的人， 个别LAG的。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 25 in rush poker, i feel it's more like playing a system rather than people, so:
1) AA/KK should be played more "normally";
2) AA/KK's most power come from pre-flop, or at most on flop. it's not
likely this hand will improve as more cards coming;
3) few ppl can lay down AA. KK may be, on Axx flop (still, may call once);
4) positon is key, in EP, AA/KK should be more cautious;
5) the suits of AA are important, for example, an AsAc hand is much safer on
QsTs7h flop, than on QhTh7s flop, since you got
【在 s*********k 的大作中提到】
: It is so true. But it is tough tough.
: The best scenario is that there is 3BB proflop raise before you and you just
: limp in.
: If none, tough, tough. If just limp in, as you said, it exposes huge risk to
: be beaten by trash hand.
: Well, if you raise 3BB, 50+% chance are all fold and you just have SB/BB.
: And you donot have AA/KK often.
: I tried to raise 2BB but no good results. Seems 2BB is lethal than
: 3BB
: pre-flop raise. More likely to have all others fold if you are at EP/MP.
| c***a
发帖数: 309 | 26 just like this? haha.
http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31172913.html
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 有啥办法dodge么,唉,今天连续2次,3分钟输300BB,背
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 27 in your case , it's actually not hard to fold the bottom set, mine is heads
up, and I have middle set 6 vs top set 9, sigh, anyway, set vs set is doomed
【在 c***a 的大作中提到】
: just like this? haha.
: http://www.mitbbs.com/article_t/TexasHoldem/31172913.html
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 28 I almost fold this hand on the flop. Thought for sure it is set of Q that he
is holding.
4 people limp in including utg. i am sb. so i just call.
after flop utg check, EP bets 40c, MP call 40c.. i raise to 3$, utg snap
raise to 6$ and everyone fold. i have 6$ left. if anyone else raise i
would snap shove, but utg it a lot look like limp in QQ and hit set... i
thought for a long time and reraised everything i left. i figure he could
have AhKh AA KK 33 as well.. luckily the hand holds... | T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 29 Set vs Set 我只逃过一次， live game.
一家伙 raise $15, 另一个老头 re-raise to $45. 那老头天天在 AC 打，我知道他是
一个 solid player, 手里一定有 AA, KK, QQ, 不出这三手牌。我手里 33, 想 gamble
, 就 call 了，三家 see the flop.
FLop 3, 5, A， original raiser check, 老头 bet $60, 1/2 NL 里算满大的 bet，
而且他 pot committed 了，显然他不怕别人有 A，我觉得他有 Top Set， 就 fold 了
。其实他如果也 Check 的话，我会 bet， 然后他 raise，说不定我就 double him up.
老头最后给大家看了牌，不出所料是一对 A。我心中是无比自豪弟。 | c***a
发帖数: 309 | 30 Live is different. People are usually looser than online.
heads
doomed
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: in your case , it's actually not hard to fold the bottom set, mine is heads
: up, and I have middle set 6 vs top set 9, sigh, anyway, set vs set is doomed
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