W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 1 lots of fish in NL 25 rush. beating the game is fairly easy with around 3bb-5bb/100
hand. but to consistently beating it with 10bb/100 hand with volumes 很牛,
真很牛... 我还做不到... | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 no, i just feel i started to understand the game better now.
one key thing is to avoid unthoughtful loss of buy-ins in a session. bad
beats happen and we can do nothing, but mistakes we can. if we can avoid 1
stack loss in such situations, it will boost your BB/100 a lot. this is what
one pro suggested.
3bb-5bb/100
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: lots of fish in NL 25 rush. beating the game is fairly easy with around 3bb-5bb/100
: hand. but to consistently beating it with 10bb/100 hand with volumes 很牛,
: 真很牛... 我还做不到...
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 everyone improves by time. i have to say i disagree some of your old view
of how to play after flop (maybe still your view now). But to have 10bb/100 hand, it is pretty great.
For myself, I didn't think i could win consistently in cash game until 20k
hands ago. Now i can beat NL 25 very easily with minimum variance. But i
am pretty far away from 10bb /100 hand. this win rate shows huge edge towards the player pool of NL 25 | L****n
发帖数: 490 | 4 pretty much you have to explore player's tendencies to get 10bb/100 hands
fryking's notes is the key | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 I have my own notes to.. but Fryking is probably the master of knowing how
to take full advantage of notes. It is a great skill to have. I haven't got to merge fryking's notes to mine yet. i am afraid of losing some of my own notes...
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: pretty much you have to explore player's tendencies to get 10bb/100 hands
: fryking's notes is the key
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 lol, which great player u guys are talking about?
before merging, you can do a "find and replace" to use a special color for
all my notes, then merge with yours, so you won't mix up.
mine is not that magical, stop joking on me, hehe.
got to merge fryking's notes to mine yet. i am afraid of losing some of my
own notes...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I have my own notes to.. but Fryking is probably the master of knowing how
: to take full advantage of notes. It is a great skill to have. I haven't got to merge fryking's notes to mine yet. i am afraid of losing some of my own notes...
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 7 yes and no.
yes, notes help you a lot in marginal situations, or give you more
confidence in getting thin value.
no, i believe the best way to push your 5BB to 10BB is to avoid that 1
unnecessary stack loss in a session. this is totally doable in such micro
stakes.
for example, you play 1K hands a day, so 100BB or one full buy-in $25 should
be your goal in 25NL. if you make a single avoidable mistake, your total bb
/100 would suck big. yes, in the end, you may win here and there, and still
make
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: pretty much you have to explore player's tendencies to get 10bb/100 hands
: fryking's notes is the key
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 8 Most situations we face are marginal situations, specially making a decision
at river, call or fold. They're usually 40BB swing if you make the right
decision or not. Your notes would help a lot.
Today, one hand I remember I was having AA, I raised 3.5x bb preflop, get
two callers, one from LP, one at BB.
I bet close to pot at flop, one fold, BB raise 5x what I bet. I don't know
what to do there. I was having 300 bb, he has 200 bb. If I have some
knowledge about this guy, probably I can make mu | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 9 harrington says, be very careful with AA in super deep situations, hehe.
300bb is too great odds for any 2 cards to draw.
decision
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Most situations we face are marginal situations, specially making a decision
: at river, call or fold. They're usually 40BB swing if you make the right
: decision or not. Your notes would help a lot.
: Today, one hand I remember I was having AA, I raised 3.5x bb preflop, get
: two callers, one from LP, one at BB.
: I bet close to pot at flop, one fold, BB raise 5x what I bet. I don't know
: what to do there. I was having 300 bb, he has 200 bb. If I have some
: knowledge about this guy, probably I can make mu
| D*****A
发帖数: 551 | 10 能说说 这个嘛？
“harrington says, be very careful with AA in super deep situations。”
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: harrington says, be very careful with AA in super deep situations, hehe.
: 300bb is too great odds for any 2 cards to draw.
:
: decision
| | | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 11 in his books, cash games series, he mentioned a hand where both have about
200-300BB, and how one guy busts another with a "trash" wheel vs. AA.
it requires much more attention and thinking when implied odds are big.
another example he uses is that you should never fold KK pre-flop with small
/medium stacks, but with deep stacks, you need to think more about it.
【在 D*****A 的大作中提到】
: 能说说 这个嘛？
: “harrington says, be very careful with AA in super deep situations。”
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 12 100bb, fold不fold kk pre? 呵呵, 感觉这个是个非常难的决定
small
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: in his books, cash games series, he mentioned a hand where both have about
: 200-300BB, and how one guy busts another with a "trash" wheel vs. AA.
: it requires much more attention and thinking when implied odds are big.
: another example he uses is that you should never fold KK pre-flop with small
: /medium stacks, but with deep stacks, you need to think more about it.
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 i'd say no, lol.
before, i suspected harrington's saying, "in you do, you'll fold a lot of
times to QQ, JJ, or AK...", and did fold one or two. but after a while, i
really saw so many times the other 2 guys showed those hands, damn!
now it's simple, and of course, my stack is about 60-100BB anyway.
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 100bb, fold不fold kk pre? 呵呵, 感觉这个是个非常难的决定
:
: small
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 never fold and always 4 bet with KK is what I would recommend with the stack we normaly have. If you think
others will only 5 bet all in with AA, then you are losing a lot of value
from AK QQ JJ hands. But if the stack is super deep say >300bb. I would suspect the shove range is a lot tighter preflop, probably only AA and AK.
"harrington says, be very careful with AA in super deep situations。”
I think what he really wants to say is be very careful with AA in super
deep situations if you can not | c***h
发帖数: 80 | 15 I had KK twice last nite and 4bet raised all-in
in both cases, vallian showed AA.....
NL25
stack we normaly have. If you think
suspect the shove range is a lot tighter preflop, probably only AA and AK.
with
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: never fold and always 4 bet with KK is what I would recommend with the stack we normaly have. If you think
: others will only 5 bet all in with AA, then you are losing a lot of value
: from AK QQ JJ hands. But if the stack is super deep say >300bb. I would suspect the shove range is a lot tighter preflop, probably only AA and AK.
: "harrington says, be very careful with AA in super deep situations。”
: I think what he really wants to say is be very careful with AA in super
: deep situations if you can not
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 16 that's just variance. the last two time I had all in 3 way preflop with KK
in NL25.. once vs AK QQ the other time is QQ JJ... My KK is cracked the
second time by 4 cards flush by QQ. The first one is even funnier, EP raise 3.5X, MP raise all in 40X bb AK, i reshove all in 80X bb, and BB call all in 80X bb with QQ.
Poker is a range game, if you think others only shove preflop all in with AA
then sure fold. but the fact is far away from it. all in pre with KK is +EV
in long run because you ge
【在 c***h 的大作中提到】
: I had KK twice last nite and 4bet raised all-in
: in both cases, vallian showed AA.....
: NL25
:
: stack we normaly have. If you think
: suspect the shove range is a lot tighter preflop, probably only AA and AK.
: with
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 17 我个人经验,100bb allin, kk 目前17次,全部碰到AA
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: i'd say no, lol.
: before, i suspected harrington's saying, "in you do, you'll fold a lot of
: times to QQ, JJ, or AK...", and did fold one or two. but after a while, i
: really saw so many times the other 2 guys showed those hands, damn!
: now it's simple, and of course, my stack is about 60-100BB anyway.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 19 所以我觉得这个东西不是那么绝对的, 反正在rush poker里面, 100bb or more, 我kk
不会all in, 除非这人我有note
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 杯具
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 Your money; Your decision; | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 22 Really? That is too awkward.
It says, if you have KK, there is 1/24 chance that another player has AA at
9-handed table. Do you write down KK vs any other hands? Or just bad beats?!
【在 p*******p 的大作中提到】
: 我个人经验,100bb allin, kk 目前17次,全部碰到AA
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