s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 1 Last night, in the 25NL rush game. I am with KK in MP.
One EP calls
I raise to $1.25
Button call
EP Raise to $3
I, Button calls
Flop AcJXc, X a low card
EP, MP checks
Button Bet $7.xx
EP folds
I think, figure button is more likely bluffing and $7.xx is my half stack.
So all in.
Button calls and turn in JcTc, flush draw with mid pair.
Turn miss, River T.
Maybe I should allin after flop first. Just had a feeling Button will semi-
bluff. | s*********k
发帖数: 1989 | 2 Coin flip. He cannot fold on flop after your allin.
It is better than allin ahead, I bet. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 3 Why do we flat re-raise preflop with KK but check raise all in after flop
with a middle pair? Is our hand stronger post flop than preflop? | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 4 no, all in after EP checked is suicide
【在 s*********r 的大作中提到】
: Last night, in the 25NL rush game. I am with KK in MP.
: One EP calls
: I raise to $1.25
: Button call
: EP Raise to $3
: I, Button calls
: Flop AcJXc, X a low card
: EP, MP checks
: Button Bet $7.xx
: EP folds
| G********r
发帖数: 666 | 5 exactly! totally agreed...
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Why do we flat re-raise preflop with KK but check raise all in after flop
: with a middle pair? Is our hand stronger post flop than preflop?
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 6 like one hand i played yesterday.
i got AQo at SB, MP limps, BTN (with a high steal rate) raises to $2.5 (i
have waited long enough to give him one back), so i pop up to $8. to my
surprise, MP calls and BTN folds (as i expected).
flop: all low rainbow craps. i lead out small and he immediately raises to $
6.5, for his pre-flop action, i guess i have a chance to kill him here, so i
re-pop to $13.5 with air, he calls.
turn is another low blank, i block bet small and he calls again. still, no
apparent draws or anything.
river A, i got about $20 left and i think if he got anything like weak TT,
JJ, he might call here as well, so i shove, he calls with KK.
WTF?! i don't even feel proud of my donkish play, but i do like his
inconsistency, lol.
pre-flop: if your limping is intended to re-pop, then follow your plan, don'
t change it just because someone does a SQ like play;
flop: ok, maybe you're afraid of AA or AK, and want to take a flop before
shoving, then just DO it!
turn: a small call here is ......
river: what the hell you're doing?
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: exactly! totally agreed...
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 7 Preflop, since the EP didn't open with a raise, I figured his reraise is not
very strong, mostly not AA or A with a big kickter. Since Button called
both time, I figure he doesn't have a big pair either.
After flop, the EP checks, and I worry about AK kind of hand, and have a
feeling that Button would (semi)bluff if I check too. So I checked. When
Button bets, I tends to believe he doesn't have a A. Given that with the
fact the EP folded before my turn and to call his bet is half of my stack, I
all in. So I was half right that he doesn't have a A. Just a bad river.
This was my thought process. Not a typical way to play this kind of hand,
but in the heat of the battle, it was how my mind was.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Why do we flat re-raise preflop with KK but check raise all in after flop
: with a middle pair? Is our hand stronger post flop than preflop?
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8 imo,if the other 2 just play for fun, then nothing is impossible.
Otherwise,
EP limp/mini reraise against 2 ppl without position, in this situation he
definitely has a strong hand and hope you guys to call. if he is a normal
player, he at least has ajo+ or tt+ even might have AA and wanted to give u
guys a chance to bet on flop.
and btn cold-call twice is another strong signal (but not NUTS strong).
but EP checked with that high cards/drawing flop, to me, he either slow play
or check/raise with set or check with low PP like qq, tt. In this case, i
would choose no action (check), coz probability of "KK is behind at that
moment" is very high, unless you hope the other 2 did not hit NUTS and bet
huge to force them to fold.
However, button bet huge, with his position, he might have weaker hand like
Ax or in drawing mode(semibluf) or MONSTER to fit the betting size, the
first possibility is very high to me, because he definitely doesnt want u
guys to call. i think he probably prepared to mess with any NUTS that any of
you might have or just take the pot here.
So if I were you, i would either shove PF or occationally big bet on flop or
check/fold here. One thing just want to remind you is that "Never fear when
you have qq/kk when you see A in the board" (well, i think other pros
already mentioned it couple of times)
Based on your PF action, ppl will put u in like any PP and Ax and even SC,
ur range is really wide. No one knows you are worried with your monster PP
when you see any Ace on board. So usually nicely reading others and
presenting you have whenever good hand in ur range to match the flop is safe
and profitable.
Just my 2 cents. welcome any comment | s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 9 Thanks for all analysis provided, I appreciated.
Now to think about it, the low blind size might also played into how I
thought about this hand. If I am in the 200NL game, I would have played
differently. So would these two players. Or maybe they are aggressive by
nature or real good players.
Sometime I have to go with my feeling about other players in a hand. Funny
thing was that couple of hands before this, I was headup against a pair of
Js with Qs. That guy played like AA, and got me sweat a little. End up
both of us missed all streets, and my Qs hold up. So when my KK hand come
around, I felt pretty good that EP has no AA, BTN would bluff and BTN was
semi bluff. That is why I call/Push after flop. Otherwise, I would just
call/fold. But I was preoccupied with the A high flop and forgot about the
flush draw.
Anyway, most of you know I am WAT, and trying to be more tight and
aggressive playing. So lessons learned. May the luck be with us all. | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10 哥我也只是在micro stake table game 小打小闹，这个级别的特性在于，几乎所有人
都是newb，当然95%是新newb（donkey/calling station），剩下的5%是我这种专门抓
新newb的老newb。 所以我现在所练就的行为习惯完全不适用于稍微高点级别的table
game，但是在本级别中如鱼得水。所以，咱的意见仅代表level 0的 ：）
正如你所说，不能单靠一手牌来下决定，你在同一桌，你越了解你对手，也就越能
narrow他的range从而帮你提高你对他的edge（所以我不太喜欢rushpoker），这点应该
算是普世价值吧， 呵呵
还有一点，只是善意提醒，感觉这玩意儿真的很玄，绝对有一部分是通过客观因素归纳
来的，但是它的主观因素（wishful think，sometimes unconscious）的危害性真的会
很大，凡是还是要努力找到客观的因素（比如历史）来说服自己为上啊。 | G********r
发帖数: 666 | 11 He definitely should have shoved on the flop after your repop.
$
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【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: like one hand i played yesterday.
: i got AQo at SB, MP limps, BTN (with a high steal rate) raises to $2.5 (i
: have waited long enough to give him one back), so i pop up to $8. to my
: surprise, MP calls and BTN folds (as i expected).
: flop: all low rainbow craps. i lead out small and he immediately raises to $
: 6.5, for his pre-flop action, i guess i have a chance to kill him here, so i
: re-pop to $13.5 with air, he calls.
: turn is another low blank, i block bet small and he calls again. still, no
: apparent draws or anything.
: river A, i got about $20 left and i think if he got anything like weak TT,
| s*********r
发帖数: 4210 | 12 所以上了1-2桌就不能这样了。
有一首老歌叫“跟着感觉走”
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 哥我也只是在micro stake table game 小打小闹，这个级别的特性在于，几乎所有人
: 都是newb，当然95%是新newb（donkey/calling station），剩下的5%是我这种专门抓
: 新newb的老newb。 所以我现在所练就的行为习惯完全不适用于稍微高点级别的table
: game，但是在本级别中如鱼得水。所以，咱的意见仅代表level 0的 ：）
: 正如你所说，不能单靠一手牌来下决定，你在同一桌，你越了解你对手，也就越能
: narrow他的range从而帮你提高你对他的edge（所以我不太喜欢rushpoker），这点应该
: 算是普世价值吧， 呵呵
: 还有一点，只是善意提醒，感觉这玩意儿真的很玄，绝对有一部分是通过客观因素归纳
: 来的，但是它的主观因素（wishful think，sometimes unconscious）的危害性真的会
: 很大，凡是还是要努力找到客观的因素（比如历史）来说服自己为上啊。
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 13 对，一点不假，俺自己都不好意思最后这样。
【在 G********r 的大作中提到】
: He definitely should have shoved on the flop after your repop.
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