d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | | D*****8
发帖数: 313 | 2 i start to play 6max..... | t********t
发帖数: 5415 | | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 4 great，我现在已经降到10NL，并且沦落为12 table super nits，我已经没想法了，无
脑扑克中 | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | | D*****8
发帖数: 313 | 7 After switching, I found 6max somehow was easier than full rings...
What do u think?
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: great，我现在已经降到10NL，并且沦落为12 table super nits，我已经没想法了，无
: 脑扑克中
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 8 super nits play 6-max???!!! i think it's a mistake, you pay more in blinds (
shorter rounds), "give up" a lot small/medium size pots or ppl don't give
you enough action for your good hands.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: great，我现在已经降到10NL，并且沦落为12 table super nits，我已经没想法了，无
: 脑扑克中
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 9
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迷惘了。。。
pf: 20/16 正负1
大多数情况下
77+ pfr in position or limp/cold call
22～66 limp or cold call(sometimes)
small SC(67~TJ) pfr to steal or fold（mostly） or cold call/limp(rarely)
Axs、JQs+、KJs+ pfr to steal and fold in rest cases
pf 3bet range:
jj+、AQs+（mostly fold to 4bet）、AKo
4bet range：QQ+ and some AKo oop
flop cbet > 2/3 if heads up, slightly > 1/3 if more ppl in
turn：honest in most cases
river： want to show down 25%， won money at show down 45%
对数据显示比较紧的 可能稍许多点2nd barrel和pf steal 但是fold to reraise
在不确定的情况下，极少数3rd barrel（因为级别低，人有点牌就不肯放，怕呀）
数据可能mix了之前的一些牌，我想super nit可能有点过，但是range就这些，带笑欢
迎拍砖
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: super nits play 6-max???!!! i think it's a mistake, you pay more in blinds (
: shorter rounds), "give up" a lot small/medium size pots or ppl don't give
: you enough action for your good hands.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 10
没正紧玩过fr，且不同级别差异明显，所以我没有发言权。。。
【在 D*****8 的大作中提到】
: After switching, I found 6max somehow was easier than full rings...
: What do u think?
| | | t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 11 20/16就算用6max的标准离super nit也还远着呢，正牌super nit在FR是8/6 over 1k+
hands. 我在NL5 16table FR，16/12，自认离nit还有一段距离...真想nit的话还是来
FR吧，6max天生决定了你没法nit，如版大所言，blinds太贵了。
而且nits不是“沦落”到的，只是一种style而已...player和grinder的区别。 | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 Tight but not nits confirmed. | r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 13 me!
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: rt
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 14 I always thought AQ+ jj+ were auto 5 bet shove 6max? No? Hehe | r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 15 not at 25NL 6m imo.
i set mine KK.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: I always thought AQ+ jj+ were auto 5 bet shove 6max? No? Hehe
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 16 agree most, just one:
don't think you should open limp ever.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: 没正紧玩过fr，且不同级别差异明显，所以我没有发言权。。。
| t********t
发帖数: 5415 | 17
极少数时候我limp 22~55 UTG...
另外更正下NL5 FR nit的定义：1.4k hand 5/4...
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: agree most, just one:
: don't think you should open limp ever.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 我来胡扯两句我自己理解的6 max 和fr 的区别.
1) preflop range: Many people think they should play "looser" for 6 max
than fr, but the fact is that even if we play the exact same range like fr
for 6 max, we are going to have a higher vpip for 6 max. Why? If you play
fr, just open your HM and look at your vpip by position, bb, sb, button, co,
mp and ep. Normally for a decent player, you will have much higher vpip for
button, co, but extremely tight for ep. If you filter out the ep and
average the vpip, you will have a much higher vpip already. What this means
is that even if you play the exactly the same start hands like fr by
position, you will have a much higher vpip for 6 max simply because you have
more chance of stealing from button, co, not because you are actually
playing looser. Now from another perspective, if you are at blinds, you
should naturally increase your restealing/defending range even if villians
keep the same starting range by position like FR. Very simple example, your
KJo might not be a good defending hand from the blinds facing a EP or MP
raise in FR, but it is probably a good one facing a raise from co and button
. you are going to have a wider defending range for 6 max naturally simply
because you are facing more steal from co and button and no true raise like
the FR ep at all at 6 max. You will have a higher vpip from the blinds for 6
max than FR. This also holds true for higher 3 bet % for 6 max than fr.
All of these are concluded based on the assumption that people are opening
the same range by position like FR. Now a lot of people do open even wider
than necessary in 6 max, which makes it even more true that we need to
make our defend/stealing range even wider to adjust.
2) Why is AQ JJ better to 5 bet shove in fr than 6 max?
First of all, AQ JJ should not always be a 5 bet shove in 6 max, but there
are many MORE spots where this is a good move than fr, because there are
much more steal and resteal situation in 6 max than fr. You will have a lot
of situation like: Co raise steal, BB 3 bet steal, CO 4 bet and when you are
at BB, i think 5 bet here with AQ+ JJ+ should be automatic. This is totally
different from the situation in a fr game where you 3 bet ep from button
and getting a 4 bet there holding AQ JJ, but you never facing a true ep
range in 6 max like FR, because there is no raise range exist in 6 max where
8 people is still to react. Just simply look at the range analysis, it
becomes more clear that AQ JJ are like super premium hands in a 6 max game
even in a lot of 4 bet/5 bet spot.
3) Post flop play.
Basicly, there are really no need to over-adjust postflop play from fr to 6max if you understand the range game very well. Example: fold fold to your button
, you openning J9s at fr is really not different from the same hand from 6
max in terms of range and play post flop. The real problem lies in villains
over-adjusting their play in 6 max. Because people mistakenly think that
they have to play excessively looser and more aggressive postflop in 6 max. From a game theory point of view, when your opponents adjust, you have to adjust as well to be able to win. your challenge is to identify these people and adjust to them accordingly. But this is really no difference from adjust to LAG and nits in FR game. Different players exist at all forms of games, it all comes down to whether you can identify them and adjust accordingly.
Summary: if you can think about the game in terms of range and use your HUD
stats to narrow down your opponents' range further and you will find there
is really not so much difference between 6 max and FR after all.
Disclaimer: Never played in a 6 max game. Don't scream at me if you don't
agree with what I said.. ^_^ | s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 19 6max里面一个3bet情况：
无论你什么位置都20% 3-bet率的疯子，4-bet回去他会70-80% 5-bet的人
怎么办？
tight your open range or 4-bet even lighter?
co,
for
means
have
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 我来胡扯两句我自己理解的6 max 和fr 的区别.
: 1) preflop range: Many people think they should play "looser" for 6 max
: than fr, but the fact is that even if we play the exact same range like fr
: for 6 max, we are going to have a higher vpip for 6 max. Why? If you play
: fr, just open your HM and look at your vpip by position, bb, sb, button, co,
: mp and ep. Normally for a decent player, you will have much higher vpip for
: button, co, but extremely tight for ep. If you filter out the ep and
: average the vpip, you will have a much higher vpip already. What this means
: is that even if you play the exactly the same start hands like fr by
: position, you will have a much higher vpip for 6 max simply because you have
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 20 Your 4 bet range should be for value in this case, which means you want to
call his 5 bet shove. 88+, AK, AQs will be good range. Yes, you need to
tight your opening range a little. Changing seat is not a bad idea too if
the guy plays well. | | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 pretty much Lundon said. No 4 bet bluff. all for value. 99+ AJs+ should be
ok or a bit tigher is fine, always call his 5 bet shove. If you have
position, you can also flat him in position and play post flop vs him. Don't
be afraid of make move against him with the right flop with equity. Should
be profitable. | s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 22 oh, it's 6-max rush poker.
【在 L****n 的大作中提到】
: Your 4 bet range should be for value in this case, which means you want to
: call his 5 bet shove. 88+, AK, AQs will be good range. Yes, you need to
: tight your opening range a little. Changing seat is not a bad idea too if
: the guy plays well.
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 23 why not take a shot?
co,
for
means
have
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 我来胡扯两句我自己理解的6 max 和fr 的区别.
: 1) preflop range: Many people think they should play "looser" for 6 max
: than fr, but the fact is that even if we play the exact same range like fr
: for 6 max, we are going to have a higher vpip for 6 max. Why? If you play
: fr, just open your HM and look at your vpip by position, bb, sb, button, co,
: mp and ep. Normally for a decent player, you will have much higher vpip for
: button, co, but extremely tight for ep. If you filter out the ep and
: average the vpip, you will have a much higher vpip already. What this means
: is that even if you play the exactly the same start hands like fr by
: position, you will have a much higher vpip for 6 max simply because you have
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 i would not call me trying 6 max NL25 as taking a shot. I am quite confident
I can beat that level at 6 max. But the hourly winning rate is not going to
be remotely close to what I make in NL100 fullring.
On the other hand, Changing my game from FR NL100 to 6 max NL100 will take a
bit more time for adjustment. Unless I think FR NL100 is drying out completely
compared to 6 max, I see no reason for the change for myself. Additionally,
I still need rush to accumulate enough volume for me. The 6 max player pool
is very limited compared to FR for all rush levels.
【在 r****r 的大作中提到】
: why not take a shot?
:
: co,
: for
: means
: have
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 25 我好像看到说6-max可能达到的winning rate 是比FR要小的
confident
to
a
completely
,
pool
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i would not call me trying 6 max NL25 as taking a shot. I am quite confident
: I can beat that level at 6 max. But the hourly winning rate is not going to
: be remotely close to what I make in NL100 fullring.
: On the other hand, Changing my game from FR NL100 to 6 max NL100 will take a
: bit more time for adjustment. Unless I think FR NL100 is drying out completely
: compared to 6 max, I see no reason for the change for myself. Additionally,
: I still need rush to accumulate enough volume for me. The 6 max player pool
: is very limited compared to FR for all rush levels.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 26 Anything other than "it depends" will not be very accurate in my opinion.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 我好像看到说6-max可能达到的winning rate 是比FR要小的
:
: confident
: to
: a
: completely
: ,
: pool
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 27 应该是从PTR上的数据分析来的吧
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Anything other than "it depends" will not be very accurate in my opinion.
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 28 watched your video and agree that your skill can probably beat 25NL 6m to
death (over 99% of the time to be conservative, hehe)
also believe that 100NL 6m is a tougher game than 100NL fr. 50NL 6m? donno.
i thnk you can beat 50NL 6m but $/hr should be lower than now.
another thought: in PS vpp policy, 6max player get more vpp than fr for the
same amount of $ in the pot. dont know about FTP rakeback policy.
confident
to
a
completely
,
pool
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: i would not call me trying 6 max NL25 as taking a shot. I am quite confident
: I can beat that level at 6 max. But the hourly winning rate is not going to
: be remotely close to what I make in NL100 fullring.
: On the other hand, Changing my game from FR NL100 to 6 max NL100 will take a
: bit more time for adjustment. Unless I think FR NL100 is drying out completely
: compared to 6 max, I see no reason for the change for myself. Additionally,
: I still need rush to accumulate enough volume for me. The 6 max player pool
: is very limited compared to FR for all rush levels.
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 29 补充一下，别的网站不知道，我现在玩的小网站10NL,95% ppl 3bet rate < 5%, 造成
出现pf 3bet 4bet的fight非常少，我所见到的凡是3bet>10%的都是huge loser。由此
想到，要想更有效率的获利，不应该有个固化的strategy，而是要针对对手的数据来玩
阿。 |
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