l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 1 感觉这是自己致命的弱点。每次输完一个大POT或犯了个大错误或是被别人SUCK OUT，
我都是很难平静。虽然表面上我从来不说或抱怨什么，但心里确很frustrated,然后马
上我就会TITLT，把我的STACK都搭进去。无数次我都是CHIP LEADER，就因为情绪因素
，最后都前功尽弃了。大家有什么经验之谈？输了一个大POT之后，是不是应该立马起
身，然后平静下来再玩？还是就应该结束那个SESSION？ | f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 2 we all have this problem, at least i'd admit, lol.
i rarely ended a session like this, because i knew i hate driving a long way
home in this mood. i thank poker god for letting me come back most of time,
but in the past, i did end up going home broke a few times, hehe.
this is partially the reason i don't like live any more, we can only play,
say, 10 sessions a year? and one bad session really matters to me, at least
i'd regret of wasting a weekend for nothing.
guess we need an easy heart, hehe.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 感觉这是自己致命的弱点。每次输完一个大POT或犯了个大错误或是被别人SUCK OUT，
: 我都是很难平静。虽然表面上我从来不说或抱怨什么，但心里确很frustrated,然后马
: 上我就会TITLT，把我的STACK都搭进去。无数次我都是CHIP LEADER，就因为情绪因素
: ，最后都前功尽弃了。大家有什么经验之谈？输了一个大POT之后，是不是应该立马起
: 身，然后平静下来再玩？还是就应该结束那个SESSION？
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 Last year, I attended a lecture given by Annie Duke. She has graduate degree
of pychology from U.Penn. She said something interesting about tilting. She
said when you are losing and got frustrated, you are like a drunk driver.
You know something bad is likely going to happen, just can not control
yourself and keep doing it. Best thing to do is to QUIT when losing and
lost control, just like you should never drive when you are drunk.
Guess anytime you got suck out and lose a big pot, you should take a
break and ask yourself "can I still play my best game" ? if not, then take a
longer break or just quit the session. Sometime, tilting not just comes
from losing, tireness, hunger etc can cause tilting too. For me, I often go
tilt after playing long HUSNG session online, get tired and below my
winning away many times.
Again, it is a lot easier to say then to do it, it is human nature of
trying it get it back when losing. Really takes a lot of displine to be
successful in poker.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 感觉这是自己致命的弱点。每次输完一个大POT或犯了个大错误或是被别人SUCK OUT，
: 我都是很难平静。虽然表面上我从来不说或抱怨什么，但心里确很frustrated,然后马
: 上我就会TITLT，把我的STACK都搭进去。无数次我都是CHIP LEADER，就因为情绪因素
: ，最后都前功尽弃了。大家有什么经验之谈？输了一个大POT之后，是不是应该立马起
: 身，然后平静下来再玩？还是就应该结束那个SESSION？
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 4 A lot of times that I wasn't even losing. I just lost some of my winnings or
lost one big pot, but then I couldn't handle them very well after that. I
guess I really need to take a break or just end the session next time. You
are right. Sometimes tiredness can cause tilting too. After I reviewed my
past sessions, I am thinking about taking a 10 minutes break for each hour I
play to keep my brain working right, what do you guys think of this idea?
degree
She
a
go
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: Last year, I attended a lecture given by Annie Duke. She has graduate degree
: of pychology from U.Penn. She said something interesting about tilting. She
: said when you are losing and got frustrated, you are like a drunk driver.
: You know something bad is likely going to happen, just can not control
: yourself and keep doing it. Best thing to do is to QUIT when losing and
: lost control, just like you should never drive when you are drunk.
: Guess anytime you got suck out and lose a big pot, you should take a
: break and ask yourself "can I still play my best game" ? if not, then take a
: longer break or just quit the session. Sometime, tilting not just comes
: from losing, tireness, hunger etc can cause tilting too. For me, I often go
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 5 Losing is part of the game. U can't win every pot, big or small.
感觉这是自己致命的弱点。每次输完一个大POT或犯了个大错误或是被别人SUCK OUT，
我都是很难平静。虽然表面上我从来不说或抱怨什么，但心里确很frustrated,然后马
上我........
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【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 感觉这是自己致命的弱点。每次输完一个大POT或犯了个大错误或是被别人SUCK OUT，
: 我都是很难平静。虽然表面上我从来不说或抱怨什么，但心里确很frustrated,然后马
: 上我就会TITLT，把我的STACK都搭进去。无数次我都是CHIP LEADER，就因为情绪因素
: ，最后都前功尽弃了。大家有什么经验之谈？输了一个大POT之后，是不是应该立马起
: 身，然后平静下来再玩？还是就应该结束那个SESSION？
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 6 there are lots of discusssion in the book Elements of book , about taking
break , session lenth etc. highly recommend.
I definately agree that it is great to take a break after 1-2 hours,
especially after you have played a few hours. Sometime, I am just too
lazy too stand up though. Again, it takes some displine.
or
I
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: A lot of times that I wasn't even losing. I just lost some of my winnings or
: lost one big pot, but then I couldn't handle them very well after that. I
: guess I really need to take a break or just end the session next time. You
: are right. Sometimes tiredness can cause tilting too. After I reviewed my
: past sessions, I am thinking about taking a 10 minutes break for each hour I
: play to keep my brain working right, what do you guys think of this idea?
:
: degree
: She
: a
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 7 I read that book, but some of the concepts there are not quite clear to me.
Maybe I need to go back and read it again.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: there are lots of discusssion in the book Elements of book , about taking
: break , session lenth etc. highly recommend.
: I definately agree that it is great to take a break after 1-2 hours,
: especially after you have played a few hours. Sometime, I am just too
: lazy too stand up though. Again, it takes some displine.
:
: or
: I
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 8 The thing u need to know is what is giving u the edge vs other people on the
table. Which part of the game make u better than other people on the table?
When u really know that then u won't get frustrated by losing one or two
pot because u r confident that u will win back if u make the right decision
and play long enough.
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发帖数: 4896 | 9 en,其实online multi tabling+good BR management可以比较好的解决suck out
tilting问题了
the
table?
decision
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: The thing u need to know is what is giving u the edge vs other people on the
: table. Which part of the game make u better than other people on the table?
: When u really know that then u won't get frustrated by losing one or two
: pot because u r confident that u will win back if u make the right decision
: and play long enough.
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| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 What i mean is that sometimes it is the uncertainty that make one tilt. You don't really know what your edge is vs others. When losing a pot, you are desperate to make it back, but unsure how. You end up playing worse than you do. When you clearly understand what your edges are then you can stick to your edge much easier, which means less tilting and less sub-par game. Understand the game, understand your edge. Think about this when you are on a table: why should I be winning instead of 9 other people. When you find out your edge, stick with it no matter what outcome is.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: en,其实online multi tabling+good BR management可以比较好的解决suck out
: tilting问题了
:
: the
: table?
: decision
| | | l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 11 Good point, but sometimes it is so hard to do it. For example, last weekend,
I bought in for $200. After about 2 hours, my stack was over $400. I stole
a lot of pots and I never showed down a hand during that two hours. I always
took action when I knew everyone was weak. Anyway, here is the hand that
put me on tilt and changed everything. I had A 9 suited diamonds on the MP.
I raised to $13. Two LP and EP called. Flop 3 9 10 with two hearts and one
spade. EP checked, I bet $35, and two LP folded. EP called. EP was a white
guy around 30s. We played a lot against each other before. He knows my style
and he knows that I bluff a lot. So he called. Since I know he never
believes me, I put him on a small pair. Turn was an Ace of spades. He
checked, I bet $80. He thought for a while. I actually wanted him to call to
catch his second pair or maybe hearts flush draw. He actually almost folded
, but then he still called. River was a King of spades. I didn't like that
card and was planning to check if he checked. He then looked at me and
tanked. He then bet $130. I knew I was in trouble, but I couldn't let my
hand go. If the river was a heart, I would definitely folded my hand.
However, with a spade, I really didn't put him on a backdoor flush draw with
my 35$ flop bet and $80 turn bet, So I called. He then showed his 3 7 of
spades. I was so shocked and depressed. I couldn't believe I lost all my
winnings in just one hand. I worked so hard in the last two hours building
my stack piece by piece, and now, the 3 7 took them all. I was mad at him
for calling me all the way with that 3 7; I was mad at myself for not
betting big enough on the turn; I was also mad at myself for not folding on
the river. I knew I should take a break or maybe just end the session at
that time, but I didn't. After that, I couldn't play my A-game. I wasn't
able to focus and think. I then lost the rest of my chips very quickly.
Anyway, with all those bad experiences, I realize emotion control is so
important in poker. I have to find a way to conquer that before I can become
a real winning player.
You don't really know what your edge is vs others. When losing a pot, you
are desperate to make it back, but unsure how. You end up playing worse than
you do. When you clearly understand what your edges are then you can stick
to your edge much easier, which means less tilting and less sub-par game.
Understand the game, understand your edge. Think about this when you are on
a table: why should I be winning instead of 9 other: people. When you find
out your edge, stick with it no matter what outcome is.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: What i mean is that sometimes it is the uncertainty that make one tilt. You don't really know what your edge is vs others. When losing a pot, you are desperate to make it back, but unsure how. You end up playing worse than you do. When you clearly understand what your edges are then you can stick to your edge much easier, which means less tilting and less sub-par game. Understand the game, understand your edge. Think about this when you are on a table: why should I be winning instead of 9 other people. When you find out your edge, stick with it no matter what outcome is.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 don't blame the emotion control just yet. Think more about your play. Did you have a read on him at the river? Does your opponents bluff busted draw with donk bet often? You bet very strong on the turn. Does he bluff over strength? how much % of bluff does you put him on for your call to make your call +ev? I think you are over exaggerating the power of emotional control. Is it really the reason that you are not a winner? Poker players tends to find excuse for themselves when losing but take all the credits when winning and that's why 75% of the player think they are the top 25% of players in poker.
My advise to you is that you should start from the fundamentals of poker and focusing more on every single decision you make on the table with reasoning and reads. | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 One more thing, people at low stake live table do not do reverse tell often.
His tank/donk simply means he was not bluffing. Simplest read at live
table, like sigh in pain then shove means super strength. So now u ask urself this "is he capable of value betting worse
2 pair on a flush board?" U don't make decision at the table by "feeling". U
do it with reads and reasoning.
u said u don't feel that ur hand was good facing the bet but u called any
way. I think u have no idea whether ur hand was good or bad. U just called
because u have 2 pair and u don't want to fold.
Good point, but sometimes it is so hard to do it. For example, last weekend,
I bought in........
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【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Good point, but sometimes it is so hard to do it. For example, last weekend,
: I bought in for $200. After about 2 hours, my stack was over $400. I stole
: a lot of pots and I never showed down a hand during that two hours. I always
: took action when I knew everyone was weak. Anyway, here is the hand that
: put me on tilt and changed everything. I had A 9 suited diamonds on the MP.
: I raised to $13. Two LP and EP called. Flop 3 9 10 with two hearts and one
: spade. EP checked, I bet $35, and two LP folded. EP called. EP was a white
: guy around 30s. We played a lot against each other before. He knows my style
: and he knows that I bluff a lot. So he called. Since I know he never
: believes me, I put him on a small pair. Turn was an Ace of spades. He
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 14 On the river , your hand is pure bluff catcher. QJ got there, and hands
like pr with back door flush got there. If you think your opp is not the
kind of person that bluff missed draw often , it is not really a tough
laydown. Your hand strenth (2 pr) is still strong, but your relative hand
strenth is weak since you can only beat bluff.
Do not really blame yourelf much for going on tilt after such a sick bad
beat. Everybody has emotion problem. I remember many timse that I played
bad after bad beat, it just takes time and experience to improve. I think
taking a break/quiting is the way to do after a bad beat.
I remember when I just got vegas and played a lots of live NL 2-5/5-
10 no cap then.
One hand , on a 2-5 no cap game, I had 78s on BB, there were raise preflop
and there were at least 4 callers so I called. I had over 2k stack and that
kind of hand plays very well for deep stack. Flop is J high, rainbow, with
one heart.I had a gutshot draw, all checked around on the flop. I turned the
nuts str, which is the stone cold nuts on the turn, but there were 2 hearts
there. A regular fish bet 100th on the turn, a old guy called, the fish has
1700$ stack, I check/raised to 400$ something, fish shoved for 1700$ more.
I snap called of course. He had Jh4h, top pair with flush draw, rive is a
heart and the river cost me a pot well over 3k. The fish then kept saying "
i got everything".... The old guy said he folded Ahqh since there were only
one card to come.
I was quite tilting after this pot and started to play very loose and
ended with losing more. I wish I just quited after that beat and come back
the other day. Learning to quit is very important to be a winning player,
IMO.
weekend,
stole
always
.
style
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: Good point, but sometimes it is so hard to do it. For example, last weekend,
: I bought in for $200. After about 2 hours, my stack was over $400. I stole
: a lot of pots and I never showed down a hand during that two hours. I always
: took action when I knew everyone was weak. Anyway, here is the hand that
: put me on tilt and changed everything. I had A 9 suited diamonds on the MP.
: I raised to $13. Two LP and EP called. Flop 3 9 10 with two hearts and one
: spade. EP checked, I bet $35, and two LP folded. EP called. EP was a white
: guy around 30s. We played a lot against each other before. He knows my style
: and he knows that I bluff a lot. So he called. Since I know he never
: believes me, I put him on a small pair. Turn was an Ace of spades. He
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 15 yeah. good analysis. Making these kind of "bluff cather" call really need
knowing your opponent to be +EV. Does he bluff a lot on the river with
missed draw? or Can he value bet worse hand that can not beat your 2pr? Do
not only think what your hand is , think what your opp do in that sitution
and try to make best decision.
I saw a fish called a river shove with a set in live game, but the board
has one card for flush and one card for straight, his set is totally bluff
catcher, and he just can not let it go because he had a set.
often.
urself this "is he capable of value betting worse
. U
called
weekend,
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: One more thing, people at low stake live table do not do reverse tell often.
: His tank/donk simply means he was not bluffing. Simplest read at live
: table, like sigh in pain then shove means super strength. So now u ask urself this "is he capable of value betting worse
: 2 pair on a flush board?" U don't make decision at the table by "feeling". U
: do it with reads and reasoning.
: u said u don't feel that ur hand was good facing the bet but u called any
: way. I think u have no idea whether ur hand was good or bad. U just called
: because u have 2 pair and u don't want to fold.
:
: Good point, but sometimes it is so hard to do it. For example, last weekend,
| f*****g
发帖数: 15860 | 16 last weekend, I bought in for $200. After about 2 hours, my stack was over $
400 | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 17 靠， 没有多少赌棍会象老大这样见好就收把。。
$
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: last weekend, I bought in for $200. After about 2 hours, my stack was over $
: 400
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 18 First, I already admitted on my previous post that I made a mistake by
calling the big river bet because I didn't expect the back door flush draw
or straight draw. Second, I was pot committed. Yes, it would be a really
easy fold for you because you were not in the hand, but after you already
put 130 in the pot, then it was not that easy. For that player, he could've
made that kind of bluff too because he thought I didn't have a good hand. If
the river was a 7, he might've made the same bet because he thought his two
pair would be good. Again, I could've folded if I made a better decision,
but you can never play every hand right. Otherwise, you would not be here.
You should already be a poker star or at least a pro. I am not trying to
blame on emotion problem instead of admitting i am a bad player, but I've
only played NL poker for two years. Usually 1-3 times a month. So far I didn
't lose more than 2000 total. So I don't think I was a that bad player as
you assume. To learn a game, it does take a lot of time and effort. Some
people play poker for their whole life and still can't beat the game. Anyway
, it is not that easy. Actually, later on I built up my stack to $800 during
that session, but then I made another big mistake that immediately put me
on tilt again, and that time I knew I needed to leave. I was telling
everyone that I was leaving, but still I didn't. I then wasn't playing my
game at all and I lost again. That's how I got my conclusion about my
emotion problem. It was not the mistakes that I made, it is about how I
control and adjust my emotion and still play my A-game after those mistakes.
"I think u have no idea whether ur hand was good or bad. U just called
because u have 2 pair and u don't want to fold." ____ I think you're just
too confident or even arrogant. You just assume you're the best player here
so you can make any assumption as you want. I never see you playing poker,
so I don't what kind of player you are, but if you indeed a good player,
then you should be playing 5-10 Nl or higher now. Don't blame on your
bankroll.If you're a winning player, you would build enough money already by
now. I think everyone is the same. Don't think you're smarter or better
than anybody else. Although you might be, but at least be a little more
modest.
often.
urself this "is he capable of value betting worse
. U
called
weekend,
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: One more thing, people at low stake live table do not do reverse tell often.
: His tank/donk simply means he was not bluffing. Simplest read at live
: table, like sigh in pain then shove means super strength. So now u ask urself this "is he capable of value betting worse
: 2 pair on a flush board?" U don't make decision at the table by "feeling". U
: do it with reads and reasoning.
: u said u don't feel that ur hand was good facing the bet but u called any
: way. I think u have no idea whether ur hand was good or bad. U just called
: because u have 2 pair and u don't want to fold.
:
: Good point, but sometimes it is so hard to do it. For example, last weekend,
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 19 ok. i am done.. only trying to help.. lol.. i don't really care how you play, win or lose. Your money, your decision. | l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 20 You can help, but don't judge.
play
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: ok. i am done.. only trying to help.. lol.. i don't really care how you play, win or lose. Your money, your decision.
| | | W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 21 can't help you if you don't listen and get defensive... If you are looking for help, you need to be humble even though I am impressed that you only lost 2k in 2 years. If you want to hear it, i can say it "good work, you are not a bad player."
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: You can help, but don't judge.
:
: play
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 22 You don't even admit that you're wrong after you judge me and made all those
ridiculous assumptions. I really doubt you know what humble means.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: can't help you if you don't listen and get defensive... If you are looking for help, you need to be humble even though I am impressed that you only lost 2k in 2 years. If you want to hear it, i can say it "good work, you are not a bad player."
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 23 I really don't care what you think.
for help, you need to be humble even though I am impressed that you only
lost 2k in 2 years. If you want to hear it, i can say it "good work, you are
not a bad player."
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: can't help you if you don't listen and get defensive... If you are looking for help, you need to be humble even though I am impressed that you only lost 2k in 2 years. If you want to hear it, i can say it "good work, you are not a bad player."
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 24 其实我给你点建议的资格还是有的, whether you like it or no, what I said
mostly can help you.. but you can choose not to listen and insult me.. hehe. I personally do not get tilted often on poker table or on a place like mitbbs~~
. | l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 25 你的建议有没有用，我自有判断。是你先自以为是的把我批评了一段，最后竟反咬一口
说我在INSULT你，请先搞清楚INSULT是什么意思再来说话。
还有，反驳你不合理的论断不是on tilt. 唉，还是先搞清楚所有这些词的定义再来发
言吧。 不过，我个人认为你还是沉默比较好，因为你说服不了我， 我也说服不了你。
还是绅士点好，省得大家浪费时间浪费版面。谢谢！
hehe. I personally do not get tilted often on poker table or on a place
like mitbbs~~
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 其实我给你点建议的资格还是有的, whether you like it or no, what I said
: mostly can help you.. but you can choose not to listen and insult me.. hehe. I personally do not get tilted often on poker table or on a place like mitbbs~~
: .
| D*A
发帖数: 1169 | 26 Don't expect to win everytime.
Don't even expect to win like 80% of time.
Don't even expect to win like half of times.
Don't expect luck will change within a session.
Don't expect luck will change within a week.
Don't expect luck will change within a month.
Unless you are pro.
just enjoy the playing.
【在 l*****g 的大作中提到】
: 感觉这是自己致命的弱点。每次输完一个大POT或犯了个大错误或是被别人SUCK OUT，
: 我都是很难平静。虽然表面上我从来不说或抱怨什么，但心里确很frustrated,然后马
: 上我就会TITLT，把我的STACK都搭进去。无数次我都是CHIP LEADER，就因为情绪因素
: ，最后都前功尽弃了。大家有什么经验之谈？输了一个大POT之后，是不是应该立马起
: 身，然后平静下来再玩？还是就应该结束那个SESSION？
| L****n
发帖数: 490 | 27
$
Haha. that's what I thought the last time I went live. I doubled up the
first hand I was in. I thought about leaving immediately, then fcf is with
me. Luckily I kept my winning.
【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: last weekend, I bought in for $200. After about 2 hours, my stack was over $
: 400
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 28 "just enjoy the playing"____ It is very important. 玩POKER的心态很重要。
【在 D*A 的大作中提到】
: Don't expect to win everytime.
: Don't even expect to win like 80% of time.
: Don't even expect to win like half of times.
: Don't expect luck will change within a session.
: Don't expect luck will change within a week.
: Don't expect luck will change within a month.
: Unless you are pro.
: just enjoy the playing.
| c*****t
发帖数: 817 | 29 是人就会有on tilt的时候。是人就不可能说是开了两小时的车，到赌场上来输了一个
大锅就说I cannot play my A game any more, I leave。玩嘛，顺其自然就好了。
Emotion control的那些所谓诀窍就是些永远正确的废话，没用的。就好比足球教练每
场比赛都就再三教育队员要减少失误，这也是废话。队员也不想失误。说一万遍到时候
该失误多少还是多少。 | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 30 Good point. I think it is all about making quick adjustment. Tilt is
unvoidable. Everybody will go on tilt once a while. It is very hard to
avoid any emotion change after losing a big pot. You just need to remind
youself do not get out of control and go back your normal game quickly.
【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: 是人就会有on tilt的时候。是人就不可能说是开了两小时的车，到赌场上来输了一个
: 大锅就说I cannot play my A game any more, I leave。玩嘛，顺其自然就好了。
: Emotion control的那些所谓诀窍就是些永远正确的废话，没用的。就好比足球教练每
: 场比赛都就再三教育队员要减少失误，这也是废话。队员也不想失误。说一万遍到时候
: 该失误多少还是多少。
| | | d******u
发帖数: 142 | 31 I usually change table,
1. facing different group of ppl normally slows me down in pushing
2. even if I am on tilt, it takes ppl sometime to figure it out as well
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: Good point. I think it is all about making quick adjustment. Tilt is
: unvoidable. Everybody will go on tilt once a while. It is very hard to
: avoid any emotion change after losing a big pot. You just need to remind
: youself do not get out of control and go back your normal game quickly.
:
| H****e
发帖数: 2050 | 32 pat pat.
Do we should encourage each other? | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 33 搞笑了
这帖子先是引出了pro们的血泪史 然后意料之中的 又激起了一场ego大战
我先插句嘴 妹妹你真不要误会 windstorm的帖子就是这个风格 他真的不是 有意在
judge你是good or bad player 当然他自己ego的问题决定他不会帖子里示弱（哈） 你
要拿出以前 “都快三十了 每次上桌还要被人查id 真无奈！”那种气势 无视他帖子里
刺眼的词句就好拉
我脚着他的具体分析以及player大大的分析还是比较靠谱。其实对我而言，具体一手牌
，你抓不抓bluff，仁者见仁，智者见智，但是因为你抓bluff撞nuts，结果on tilt了
，那就真的亏大了。
我的两分钱，解决on tilt问题的唯一途径就是继续on tilt，^_^，等到你on tilt
lost money到痛了，再出现类似的情况就会下意识得反应过来。俗话说得好 一朝被蛇
咬么，呵呵
输钱赢钱都是经历，盘数上去了，牌技也会被动的上升，并且心态也会慢慢平缓下来，
趁着现在还能on tilt，赶紧enjoy这份感觉吧， 咔咔 | p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 34 解决on tilt的办法就是来让我多suck out几次就行了
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 搞笑了
: 这帖子先是引出了pro们的血泪史 然后意料之中的 又激起了一场ego大战
: 我先插句嘴 妹妹你真不要误会 windstorm的帖子就是这个风格 他真的不是 有意在
: judge你是good or bad player 当然他自己ego的问题决定他不会帖子里示弱（哈） 你
: 要拿出以前 “都快三十了 每次上桌还要被人查id 真无奈！”那种气势 无视他帖子里
: 刺眼的词句就好拉
: 我脚着他的具体分析以及player大大的分析还是比较靠谱。其实对我而言，具体一手牌
: ，你抓不抓bluff，仁者见仁，智者见智，但是因为你抓bluff撞nuts，结果on tilt了
: ，那就真的亏大了。
: 我的两分钱，解决on tilt问题的唯一途径就是继续on tilt，^_^，等到你on tilt
| r****r
发帖数: 1394 | 35 this is a great "emotion control" example.
for help, you need to be humble even though I am impressed that you only
lost 2k in 2 years. If you want to hear it, i can say it "good work, you are
not a bad player."
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: can't help you if you don't listen and get defensive... If you are looking for help, you need to be humble even though I am impressed that you only lost 2k in 2 years. If you want to hear it, i can say it "good work, you are not a bad player."
| T*********k
发帖数: 1621 | 36 Hey, take it easy on MM. She is the very few female player who actively
participate in poker discussion and she is a great asset to this board.
On the other hand, since the topic is emotion control, MM, why don't you
just treat it as an emotion control exercise.
Just imagine you sit at poker table, you just lost a big pot, and heard
somebody say to you: "You suck, you are the worst player I ever see, you
play that hand like a complete moron! " What do you do?
Angry? Sure, start arguing with ppl? Why not? In fact, I think it is healthy
to let your emotion out. But once you get dealt next hand, you have to
forget about it. Otherwise, just leave the table, take a drink, go to eat,
do whatever you can except playing. When you come back, change table, I
think it is very important. Otherwise, seeing the old ppl just remind you
the unpleasant experience you just had a while ago.
About arguing about a hand, just remember you playing poker to make money,
that should the No.1 reason you why spend so much time on it. You have to
decide if sb's word helps you to make money on poker table, if it is, listen
, otherwise, just ignore. Simple. | h*******s
发帖数: 3932 | 37 Most pros have strong ego. ego doesn't seem to stop them from becoming good
players. I guess if one doesn't have strong ego, he may not have strong
confidence and will retire from this game sooner or later. so on tilt
because of ego is better than quit because of no ego (as long as you are
winning most of the time..)
Of course, there're also top players that don't have strong ego.. durrr is
one of them, right? that's not easy to achieve.
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 搞笑了
: 这帖子先是引出了pro们的血泪史 然后意料之中的 又激起了一场ego大战
: 我先插句嘴 妹妹你真不要误会 windstorm的帖子就是这个风格 他真的不是 有意在
: judge你是good or bad player 当然他自己ego的问题决定他不会帖子里示弱（哈） 你
: 要拿出以前 “都快三十了 每次上桌还要被人查id 真无奈！”那种气势 无视他帖子里
: 刺眼的词句就好拉
: 我脚着他的具体分析以及player大大的分析还是比较靠谱。其实对我而言，具体一手牌
: ，你抓不抓bluff，仁者见仁，智者见智，但是因为你抓bluff撞nuts，结果on tilt了
: ，那就真的亏大了。
: 我的两分钱，解决on tilt问题的唯一途径就是继续on tilt，^_^，等到你on tilt
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 38 靠, 评论评论新手的牌也成ego了.. 赫赫...这世道~~
你们都来说我打牌打得烂吧.. 我不会on tilt的...本来我也只是是打打1$/2$娱乐娱乐的小鱼, 2/5的台都没见过~~~咱没ego~~~ 以前我帖过的所有牌谱on-line or live, 你们随便批...应该有不少.. 赫赫..
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: 搞笑了
: 这帖子先是引出了pro们的血泪史 然后意料之中的 又激起了一场ego大战
: 我先插句嘴 妹妹你真不要误会 windstorm的帖子就是这个风格 他真的不是 有意在
: judge你是good or bad player 当然他自己ego的问题决定他不会帖子里示弱（哈） 你
: 要拿出以前 “都快三十了 每次上桌还要被人查id 真无奈！”那种气势 无视他帖子里
: 刺眼的词句就好拉
: 我脚着他的具体分析以及player大大的分析还是比较靠谱。其实对我而言，具体一手牌
: ，你抓不抓bluff，仁者见仁，智者见智，但是因为你抓bluff撞nuts，结果on tilt了
: ，那就真的亏大了。
: 我的两分钱，解决on tilt问题的唯一途径就是继续on tilt，^_^，等到你on tilt
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 39 Agree. When I play HU, ego is one of my major weakness. sometime , even I
know I should not rematch some reg , coz edge is very small or no edge at
all, still keep doing that coz I do not want to lose. It just takes time and
some displine to get away.
I used to fight with a reg playing regular speed HUSNG a lot. we were
talking a lot sh*t as well. I said my roi is much better, he said I can only
beat fishes, then I said " you are one of them", then we were getting
emotional and played many match against each other and left fishes alone.
But afte we played many matches, we found out that we have not edge at all
and we were just pretty much even. So we ended up being kind of friend and
never played each other again.
so take it easy on ego thing, everybody has it.
good
【在 h*******s 的大作中提到】
: Most pros have strong ego. ego doesn't seem to stop them from becoming good
: players. I guess if one doesn't have strong ego, he may not have strong
: confidence and will retire from this game sooner or later. so on tilt
: because of ego is better than quit because of no ego (as long as you are
: winning most of the time..)
: Of course, there're also top players that don't have strong ego.. durrr is
: one of them, right? that's not easy to achieve.
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