p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 1 Got sick after 1 week's live play and stayed at room whole day. Did not
play any poker last few days, live or online. Find some really good reading
on 2p2 HSNL board.
It is probably posted here before, but I think most of you do not mind my
posting here again since it is so helpful.
This is from Jman28(phil Galfond)
" If you are near someone who plays poker and is smart, spend as much time
around them as you can if you want to improve your game. "
I really like this statement!
I started with sitngos. I played them for 1.5 years. I started with $50 at $
10 sngs (which is too high). I lost and redeposited $50. I found HPFAP by
Sklansky and then found 2+2. I slowly moved up, playing $30 sngs for a
loooong time. I actually was way overrolled for them and made the leap from
$30 to $100 for some reason. A while later I was doing very well at the $
100s and $200s when Party started running $1k-$5k tournaments. I took a
couple shots at these and ran very well. Actually, I realize now that I ran
pretty well for the first 2 years I played poker. Had I run normal or badly,
I might not have redeposited again and again and might've never gotten to
the point I'm at now.
Anyways, Apathy told me that I should try cash games (He played sngs with me
for a while) so I sat down at 5/10nl to try my luck. I had no idea what I
was doing. There's very little postflop play in SNGs. Luckily I was a
huuuuuge nit from playing SNGs, so I actually made some money since there
were so many stations on Party Poker at the time.
I started to read the cash forums and study more. I also hired coaches. I
was coached by whitelime briefly, Tommy Angelo, and a well known tourney
player who doesn't like to be talked about.
The coaching helped me a lot. It mostly got me to break outside of the box
and realize that rules and formulas weren't the best way to play deepstack
nlhe. (SNGs they are)
I started beating 5/10 for about 5.5pt over a good sample size. I had
trouble with 10/20 for a while adjusting to aggressive players. Eventually I
moved up and could beat 10/20.
Right around before PP closed to US players, I started playing on FTP and UB
. I had terrible BR management. One time when I had an 80k roll, I played 25
/50 and 50/100 on UB with 15k in my account, ran it up to 105k, and then
lost it all over the span of 2 days.
That summer, which was the summer before last, I lived in Vegas with who you
might know as the SIHBs. I learned so much that summer. OMG I learned so
much. Talking to people about poker who know what they're talking about is
amazing. Watching them play and discussing every possible line you can take.
It improved my game so much.
Around that time I took the occasional shot here and there at 25/50 on FTP.
I found one huge fish who loved to play me. I ended up playing him at 50/100
and ran terribly. I remember one hand where I reraised his minraise to 900
with KQo. He called. I bet like 1400 on the flop of 632r, he called. Turn 3o
, I checked. He potted for like 4800 or whatever with 4500 behind. He was
floating flops a lot and playing.... basically I was sure he wouldn't play a
strong hand that way. I shoved for his last 4500. He tanked forever and
called with 1 sec left and KJo. Valuetown!!!!!! J river. That was the same
night that good2cu got owned by Wayne Newton at the Bellagio at 25/50. It
was actually a funny night.
I lost about half my roll that summer, mostly to that one fish. Overall
though, it was a great summer. I improved so much.
I stepped back and grinded 5/10 for a long time. I won a bunch and slowly
moved up. The next time that I took a shot at 25/50 and 50/100, it stuck,
and I played big ever since. That was a little over a year ago I think. I've
had up and downs since, but nothing else super notable in my journey to
where I am now.
That summer completely changed my future in poker. I had all the skills
naturally, but it took meeting the right people to bring them out IMO. All
of the guys in the house helped me a ton.
Meeting Tom (durrrr) was a huge part of my move to high stakes play. He
opened my mind to thinking about situations completely differently. I
remember one time when he was discussing a hand with h@ll in front of me,
where he had something like weak top pair and was facing a big river bet. He
was like, 'I think a call is better than a fold' and I thought to myself, '
yeah I agree' and then he said 'but I would shove' and I exploded. I
realized that you should think of every possible option you have in nlhe.
You usually have a ton of them.
I also met Dan (Unarmed on 2p2) that summer. He lived in the house and
coincidentally met a girl the previous year who lived in Madison, WI, where
I live. He moved in with her, and we hung out a lot. He would come over, set
up his laptop on my 3rd monitor, and we'd play for 8 hours and talk about
hands.
I know Dan is fairly unknown in the poker world, and he's 'only' a 10/20
player, but I can say without a doubt, Dan has taught me much more about
poker than anyone or anything else.
If you are near someone who plays poker and is smart, spend as much time
around them as you can if you want to improve your game.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 2 Another very good piece!
I like these two statements a lot:
I. " I think the three most important areas of intelligence in regards to poker are logic, probability, psychology. They actually are pretty close in order of importance, and change depending on game structure.".
II. "I absolutely believe that your personality affects the way you play poker"
I think logic is really his strength. I improve my poker logic a lot from watching his vid and play.
I just posted about the time that durrrr made me realize that you
have more options than you think you do. Thinking outside the box, turning
made hands that are good enough to call into bluffraises that turn out to be
even more profitable, cbetting 1/3 pot in a rr pot, etc.
One thing that occurred to me at some point was how to use your style/image
and balance your range accordingly. I started out being pretty nitty before
realizing that I could use my image to bluff. Then I started to get called
down. I got angry, like 'I'm so tight, how can they call!?!' before figuring
out what my ranges really consisted of in certain spots.
I was a nit and not making thin 3 street vbs. So when I bet 3 streets, I had
two pair+ and bluffs pretty much. If you are a player who doesn't make very
thin value bets, you have to bluff less, otherwise your range will be
weighted heavily towards bluffs when you're pounding on the pot.
It made me think about how I can create an image for myself.
I made a post once in HSNL about a thought which helped me a lot. It
basically was the idea that every time the action is to you, it's an
opportunity for you to make the perfect play. Thinking about poker that way
is great for your game.
Lastly, I've realized that working out regularly helps your game more than
you might think. I highly recommend it.
Strengths?
I think I have as good a mental skillset for the game as possibly anyone. I
think the three most important areas of intelligence in regards to poker are
logic, probability, psychology. They actually are pretty close in order of
importance, and change depending on game structure.
I think I excel in all three of those areas. There are players who can
calculate probabilities better than me, but almost all of those players don'
t understand people as well or have as firm a grasp on logic as I do. Many
who are strong in player psychology are very weak in the other areas. You
get the point.
I don't think that I'm the best poker player in the world, but I think I
could possibly have the best mind in these areas combined. I think because
of this, I'll always be successful at poker since these are things that are
more naturally occuring than teachable.
Weaknesses
I think my main weaknesses are personality based.
I'm an underachiever. I'm lazy. I can't do any hard work unless I'm
extremely interested in it. Luckily I'm interested in certain aspects of
poker, so I'm able to work on it. However I don't spend any time going
through PT, checking my hands for mistakes, going over hands to take notes
on players, calculating my equity vs. ranges of hands (except when I have to
write an article about it), etc.
I also don't have the right overall personality for poker. I'm a very
passive person by nature. I don't like to cause trouble or upset people, and
I'm very non-confrontational. I absolutely believe that your personality
affects the way you play poker.
It took me a very long time to push my level of poker aggression to the
point it is at now, still a bit lower than it should be IMO.
I also am very indecisive in real life. I'm afraid to make a mistake and I
always fear the worst might happen. This translates to me misplaying hands,
erring too far on the side of minimizing losses and not enough on the side
of maximizing gains.
If I reraise AQ and get called, cbet A98r flop, and the turn is a J, my
first thought is '****, what if he has AJ or QT?!' A lot of times it causes
me to play the hand much more passively than I should. My default move when
I get scared like this is to call a lot, hence my reputation. I have to be
focused to catch myself and use my logic to overpower my tendency to shut
down and play from behind.
I guess another one of my strengths is that I'm self aware.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 " Another cool poker story was when Tom Dwan and I couldn't sleep one
night. We invented poker games and played them HU until like 9am. We bet in
'units'. Every game we invented, we played 1-3 freezouts and the winner won
a certain amount of units. We'd bet on each match. One unit was redeemable
for the other person doing something stupid/embarrassing. I completely owned
him and ended up like 18 units. At 10am we went to breakfast with this girl
Kaitlin who was staying with us. (I had to mention she was a girl bc me
going to breakfast with Tom after staying up all night with him wouldn't
help all the rumors about him being gay (I love you Tom))
"
lol. this is hilarious :) | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 4 A good part about quiting. Tommy Angelo is the author of "element of
poker" , btw.
A lot of pro said the single most important decision for a live cash game
session is when to quit.
"
The one thing I learned most from Tommy Angelo, is how awesome quitting is.
You should pride yourself in making a good quit. I really mean that. When I'
m playing and make the decision to quit, I'm very happy with myself.
The two real reasons to quit are if playing is -EV financially or -EV
emotionally. I know the latter isn't a real thing, but I use it all the time.
Basically, if for whatever reason I think I'm not a favorite (or a very
small favorite), I'll quit (Ideally).
Or if I'm unhappy or stressed out by playing, or would be much happier doing
something else, I quit (Ideally).
Reasons you become -$EV should be obvious, and you should realize when you
are unhappy.
Most pros love the freedom that poker gives them but it becomes a very
restricting job actually. Much more consuming than a real one. For me at
least. The problem is that we think of things in hourly rate, and we can
work pretty much whenever we want. I hate it so much when I'm out with
friends and just having an okay time and I think to myself "I could be
working now. I wonder how much money this is costing me." Or when I weight
the decision to go hang out with friends against the decision to work. It's
not like I'm starving. I can afford to take some time off and be a person,
but it's so hard for me, and I'd imagine, for some other players." | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 About downswing. Good to read imo.
"It's been said before, but it's so true: It's easy to play when things are
going well. How a player deals with a bad run is what defines him as a poker
player"
I like and really agree with this part!
"I know we've heard the thoughts of many different players on this subject,
but i'm interested in what you have to say regarding the difficulties one
faces during rough downswings; confidence issues, tilt, emotional effects,
etc. "
I think this is a huge part of poker. Almost everything there is to say
about emotional aspects like this has already been said. Definitely read
everything that Tommy Angelo has written on it.
It's been said before, but it's so true: It's easy to play when things are
going well. How a player deals with a bad run is what defines him as a poker
player.
The most important thing is the be honest with yourself. Admit when you aren
't focused or playing your best. Take breaks all the time. Get outdoors if
you can. All the time means every 90 minutes or less.
If you're afraid of losing your seats, take 3 minutes and walk into another
room, do 20 pushups, go to the bathroom/grab some food, and come back.
Taking time off when on a downswing is always a better idea than you want to
admit. Getting away from poker for some reason usually helps you get your
confidence back.
As far as tilt, everyone tilts. Some more than others. The edge in many high
stakes games shifts from one player to the other based on the way the match
is going, and how well they each handle losing or winning. Yes some people
tilt when they win.
Be willing to quit games when you find yourself tilting at all. Most people
tilt by going on autopilot and don't realize they're tilting.
I think it's probably possible to stop most of your tilting. It's very
difficult though. Understanding that you tilt, and being able to identify it
and quit is your best bet by far.
Also don't play tired, like I am right now, unless there's a very big fish
in the game | n*****t
发帖数: 190 | 6 Thanks for sharing. 非常有深度，学习了！
reading
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: About downswing. Good to read imo.
: "It's been said before, but it's so true: It's easy to play when things are
: going well. How a player deals with a bad run is what defines him as a poker
: player"
: I like and really agree with this part!
: "I know we've heard the thoughts of many different players on this subject,
: but i'm interested in what you have to say regarding the difficulties one
: faces during rough downswings; confidence issues, tilt, emotional effects,
: etc. "
: I think this is a huge part of poker. Almost everything there is to say
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | | H****r
发帖数: 2801 | 8 Very nice read! Digesting...
reading
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time
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: About downswing. Good to read imo.
: "It's been said before, but it's so true: It's easy to play when things are
: going well. How a player deals with a bad run is what defines him as a poker
: player"
: I like and really agree with this part!
: "I know we've heard the thoughts of many different players on this subject,
: but i'm interested in what you have to say regarding the difficulties one
: faces during rough downswings; confidence issues, tilt, emotional effects,
: etc. "
: I think this is a huge part of poker. Almost everything there is to say
| c******q
发帖数: 456 | 9 Don't know who is the best player now, PG or PI. But have to admit that PG
contributes much more than PI to the poker society. | j**y
发帖数: 7014 | 10 buddy, thanks for sharing!!!!
reading
my
time
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: About downswing. Good to read imo.
: "It's been said before, but it's so true: It's easy to play when things are
: going well. How a player deals with a bad run is what defines him as a poker
: player"
: I like and really agree with this part!
: "I know we've heard the thoughts of many different players on this subject,
: but i'm interested in what you have to say regarding the difficulties one
: faces during rough downswings; confidence issues, tilt, emotional effects,
: etc. "
: I think this is a huge part of poker. Almost everything there is to say
| | | n*****t
发帖数: 190 | 11 PG is no doubt the best poker coach in the world. I like his way of
analyzing poker hands. But I would say for the no limit holdem, PI plays
much tougher than PG.
【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: Don't know who is the best player now, PG or PI. But have to admit that PG
: contributes much more than PI to the poker society.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 12 More content from that thread that I think helpful:
This is about donking:
" I think leading into the pfr is will become a much more common practice
in the future of poker. I think it's the next 3betting light, c/c lead turn,
fastplaying sets, or c/r rivers. Each goes in style at one point and then
people figure out more about it.
The reason I think I can't figure it out yet is that so much of the value of
the play has to do with how your opponent will react to it. I don't really
have a good idea of how people react to leads. Some people spazzraise any
two, some completely shut down and give up on the pot, and everything in
between.
I'm probably afraid to try it more because I usually won't know how to react
when I get raised, or called, since the lead evokes such a wide variety of
reactions. It puts me in a spot where I have to do a lot of guessing,
whereas I usually feel I have a very good grasp of how my opponents play
their hand ranges in more standard spots.
The easy way to avoid that is to only lead strong draws, monsters, and air.
That way your decisions are easy and you don't have to fear the unknown.
However, I think that optimally, leading a much more well balanced range is
best. I just need to figure out how everyone will react to it first and make
sure they'll do what I want them to.
One thing to think about is how often your opponent will cbet flop if you
check. If someone cbets way too much, I would just let them do it. No good
reason to lead into them, unless they react in a way that makes the hand
much easier to play. If someone rarely cbets, I think leading is a much
better play against them overall.
Also think about players who lead, what they lead with. If, for instance,
someone leads all their draws and two pair hands, but checks their sets, air
, and weak 1pr hands, you can cbet MUCH more profitably against them since
their range is much weaker once they check than the range of someone who
never leads." | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 13 This is about balancing, a really good one, IMO.
I really really like this statement!
" So, in any situation, my first thought is what I'm trying to
accomplish with a play (a bet, ck, raise)"
"
I don't crunch numbers as often as people probably think I do.
I think I am good at doing some rough math in my head on the fly, as far as
hand combos and ranges go. Lemme think about my thought process...
So, in any situation, my first thought is what I'm trying to accomplish with
a play (a bet, ck, raise).
So I decide, let's say, I want to get my opponent to call a river bet (
because I have a strong hand that I want to get value from). If he's gonna
call a river bet, that means he has to think he has the best hand often
enough to justify a call.
So then I think about what hands he might have. If he has marginal made
hands a lot, I have to make him believe I'm bluffing, since he can't beat a
value bet. I think about what hands in my (perceived) range I might bluff in
this spot, and what my bluff size would look like (in his eyes). Then I bet
that amount. If I know my (perceived) range is completely full of strong
hands, I decide not to VB as thin.
If I think he often has strong hands, but my hand looks very made, I'll
often try to make it look like I'm value betting a worse hand (by
considering how he thinks I might play 2nd pair top kicker, and doing that)
If I'm considering bluffing a river, I make sure that I can credibly rep
something. I make sure that it looks to him like a large part of my range in
this spot consists of legit hands. I often over think things and don't make
a bluff just because I know that I wouldn't play many legit hands that way.
I agree with you that people overuse the excuse of "that's a terrible call
vs. my range" to justify bad plays of their own, and to sound smart.
I don't try to put my opponent in spots where he can't make a right decision
vs. my range. I try to get him to make the wrong decision for my hand.
I am, however, very very careful to never take a certain line with only one
kind of hand, unless I'm playing a complete fish. This is more of a weird
obsessive compulsive thing with me. I know good players that only check
shove flops after 3betting with their draws. It tilts me so hard knowing
that they do that. " | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 14 About BR.
"
BR reqs are a function of what you're comfortable with. I think most people
underestimate variance. Most people don't understand how bad it can get.
Looking back at the way I started, I might not be playing still had I not
run good for the beginning of my career.
Most pros probably started out running good. Most 'would be' pros who run
bad at the start of their career probably lost interest and/or confidence
and many give up.
Since a lot of us ran good to start our career, we have a romantic sense of
how poker should go ingrained in our minds, even if we've experienced
average luck since.
I think 5% of pros I know think that they've run average or above average
lifetime. I would guess that 65% of them have run above expectation.
Anyways that was a tangent, but my answer is I don't really know what a good
BR management system is. I don't believe in many rules like that either. I
suggest you have more than you think you need. Much more. But if you want to
take shots, and think you're willing to deal with the consequences ($$ and
emotionally) and step down and grind, I support it. " | O***o
发帖数: 2124 | 15 Thanks for sharing , 发现自己现在越来越懒的去找东西读啦。 | l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 16 Haha... They are cute.
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: About BR.
: "
: BR reqs are a function of what you're comfortable with. I think most people
: underestimate variance. Most people don't understand how bad it can get.
: Looking back at the way I started, I might not be playing still had I not
: run good for the beginning of my career.
: Most pros probably started out running good. Most 'would be' pros who run
: bad at the start of their career probably lost interest and/or confidence
: and many give up.
: Since a lot of us ran good to start our career, we have a romantic sense of
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 17 Taking a couple days off after a downswing really helps.
are
poker
subject,
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: About BR.
: "
: BR reqs are a function of what you're comfortable with. I think most people
: underestimate variance. Most people don't understand how bad it can get.
: Looking back at the way I started, I might not be playing still had I not
: run good for the beginning of my career.
: Most pros probably started out running good. Most 'would be' pros who run
: bad at the start of their career probably lost interest and/or confidence
: and many give up.
: Since a lot of us ran good to start our career, we have a romantic sense of
| l*****g
发帖数: 1128 | 18 Thanks for sharing. Very good posts from Phil Galfond. |
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