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p****r
发帖数: 9164
1
1. 2-5 NL. I have been playing extremely lag for this session and showed
quite a few bluffs. my image is very loose. I had about 1k to start this
hand.
A few limpers ahead of me, I limped with 66 LP. A hot blonde chick from
Chicago raised to 25 out of BB, 2 callers and I called as well. Blonde
chick had been playing quite TAG, not quite a fish, but seems often
overplays her hand. She had around 1k to start this hand as well. Flop came
J 9 6, two spade. Hot blonde bet 20$ into 100$ flop, all folded to me, I
raised to 120$ total, she quickly reraised to 200$ more. Action to me, what
to do? shove or smooth call?
2. 2-5 NL. I was sitting with big stack and covered whole table. There are
about 5-6 limpers, SB completed, and I looked my hand and it is AA. so I
raised to 50$. One asian in UTG called 45$ more, everybody else folded. I
played with that asian guy a few times, quite loose but does not bluff often
. He does value bet relative thin sometime. Flop come 678 rainbow. I
bet 50$, he quickly called. Turn is a K, I checked, he bet 75, I called.
Rive is a disgusting T, I checked again, he bet 200$.
Call or fold?

f*****g
发帖数: 15860
2
shove, shove and shove!
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 1. 2-5 NL. I have been playing extremely lag for this session and showed
: quite a few bluffs. my image is very loose. I had about 1k to start this
: hand.
: A few limpers ahead of me, I limped with 66 LP. A hot blonde chick from
: Chicago raised to 25 out of BB, 2 callers and I called as well. Blonde
: chick had been playing quite TAG, not quite a fish, but seems often
: overplays her hand. She had around 1k to start this hand as well. Flop came
: J 9 6, two spade. Hot blonde bet 20$ into 100$ flop, all folded to me, I
: raised to 120$ total, she quickly reraised to 200$ more. Action to me, what
: to do? shove or smooth call?

b*******s
发帖数: 1175
3
Fold hand 1 and shove hand 2, the new me. Shove, shove, the old me:)

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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 1. 2-5 NL. I have been playing extremely lag for this session and showed
: quite a few bluffs. my image is very loose. I had about 1k to start this
: hand.
: A few limpers ahead of me, I limped with 66 LP. A hot blonde chick from
: Chicago raised to 25 out of BB, 2 callers and I called as well. Blonde
: chick had been playing quite TAG, not quite a fish, but seems often
: overplays her hand. She had around 1k to start this hand as well. Flop came
: J 9 6, two spade. Hot blonde bet 20$ into 100$ flop, all folded to me, I
: raised to 120$ total, she quickly reraised to 200$ more. Action to me, what
: to do? shove or smooth call?

c******q
发帖数: 456
4
hand 1: When I saw her small c-bet followed by 3-bet, my first reaction was
"damn, she got JJ". If hero believes she would never play the same way with
over-pair, then fold. Otherwise call or shove is the same difference to me.
I might vote for shove because of hero's image.
hand 2: First of all, I think villian was unlikely to be pure bluff on the
river. So let's look at what hands he would value-bet,
(1) pocket pair (JJ/QQ) an middle pair (AT)
(2) top pair (AK/KQ/KJ)
(3) two pair (67/68/78/8T/KT)
(4) set (66/77/88/TT/KK)
(5) made straight (89/79/9T/9J/99/A9)
Since he limped UTG, we can probably take AK/JJ/QQ/KK/TT out of his range (
of course it depends). And since he called hero's pfr, we can further take
ATo/KQo/A9o/KJo/KT out. In the remaining hands, hero cannot beat much. So I'
d fold.
c*****t
发帖数: 817
5
Hand 1: Call. Lead out with a weak bet and then raise represents a great
strength. If she got a set, you were drawing slim. If she got a flush draw,
she wont fold to your shove and it will be a big gamble. If she got anything
else, she was drawing slim and you dont need to shove. I prefer a call
since it reduces my variance (it might lose value in some cases).
Hand 2: I feel that a call wont be a big problem. I always call with AAs as
long as it is not an obvious fold -- shit, it is pocket AAs anyway! :-)
p*******p
发帖数: 13670
6

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300 in pot, 200 more, she has 500 left, if u all in, it's 700+500 pot and
she will need to call 500, yeah, why not
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what's your relative stack to his?

【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 1. 2-5 NL. I have been playing extremely lag for this session and showed
: quite a few bluffs. my image is very loose. I had about 1k to start this
: hand.
: A few limpers ahead of me, I limped with 66 LP. A hot blonde chick from
: Chicago raised to 25 out of BB, 2 callers and I called as well. Blonde
: chick had been playing quite TAG, not quite a fish, but seems often
: overplays her hand. She had around 1k to start this hand as well. Flop came
: J 9 6, two spade. Hot blonde bet 20$ into 100$ flop, all folded to me, I
: raised to 120$ total, she quickly reraised to 200$ more. Action to me, what
: to do? shove or smooth call?

p****r
发帖数: 9164
7
well over 1k. UTG had about 1k.
p****r
发帖数: 9164
8
lol. any reasoning to shove 2 hand? do not think he would ever fold a 9
there. and it is very hard for me to rep a 9 there.

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: shove, shove and shove!
: (注:本贴作者已脑残,反指系数很高,相关言论请再三考虑)
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c******q
发帖数: 456
9
理由很简单,老大最近在逆练九阴真经,所以看东西是反的。

lol. any reasoning to shove 2 hand? do not think he would ever fold a 9
there. and it is........
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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: lol. any reasoning to shove 2 hand? do not think he would ever fold a 9
: there. and it is very hard for me to rep a 9 there.

f*****g
发帖数: 15860
10
偶脑子撞坏掉了,正在申请残泊车牌。
你咋不捕鱼咧?

【在 c******q 的大作中提到】
: 理由很简单,老大最近在逆练九阴真经,所以看东西是反的。
:
: lol. any reasoning to shove 2 hand? do not think he would ever fold a 9
: there. and it is........
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c******q
发帖数: 456
11
跟你一样,戒牌三个月.

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 偶脑子撞坏掉了,正在申请残泊车牌。
: 你咋不捕鱼咧?

h******n
发帖数: 233
12
disclaimer: I never played 2-5 live before, (next 2000 words are deleted....)
hand 1, if she had better sets, you are going to lose a lot of money call or
shove at the moment. I would shove to reduce the implied odds if she had a
flush draw.
hand 2, I felt $200 river bet is a bluff as you under represent your hand in
turn. Villian has KQ?
j**y
发帖数: 7014
13
hand 1.不是非常领先就是非常落后的牌。要我估计就是all-in了。她的20-bet很可疑,
如果是成了set或者over-pair,有draw的board这个bet太小了。你的120 raise她可能更
多的怀疑你是用手里的top pair偷pot。她认为自己大大领先你,估计是over pair,所
以4-bet min-raise。
我估计会shove了。

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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: lol. any reasoning to shove 2 hand? do not think he would ever fold a 9
: there. and it is very hard for me to rep a 9 there.

j**y
发帖数: 7014
14
hand 2:pot在river前是(50+20+50)+(50+50)+(75+75)=370左右。他river的bet
很像value bet。我可能会fold。

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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: lol. any reasoning to shove 2 hand? do not think he would ever fold a 9
: there. and it is very hard for me to rep a 9 there.

p****r
发帖数: 9164
15
俺很同意饼干兄和猪皮兄的分析。
For hand 1, I was not thinking about folding for 200BB. There is no
made str/flush on the board. Only hand ahead of mine is JJ/99. I was
willing to pay her off if she got JJ/99. Especially based on my observation
, she often overplays her hand. What I was trying to accomplish to is
maximize my equaliy against the rest of her range. I think shove is better
since there are too many turn cards that can kill the action if she had a
overpair. If she had hand like Asks, I was willing to get in there with
pretty good shape.
In actual play I shoved, she asked me "KK is not good". then she said "
I am not going to put whole stack with overpair" blah blah.. after a while
she folded.
hand 2, I thought quite a while for the river decision. I was really
confused with his preflop call UTG. But based on how the hand is played and
my history with him, I do feel that it seems a value bet, so I folded. Do
not know what I can do differently for this hand.
I was thinking about it a while and he called the floor over for 60
seconds clock.


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【在 j**y 的大作中提到】
: hand 2:pot在river前是(50+20+50)+(50+50)+(75+75)=370左右。他river的bet
: 很像value bet。我可能会fold。
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c******q
发帖数: 456
16
hehe, I sort of feel that she was bluffing there based on her "blah blah..."
c******q
发帖数: 456
17
for Hand 2, since he didn't bluff much, betting the turn might be slightly
better than c/c? Anyway this hand is so tricky to play, any decision on any
street has its own merit.
h******n
发帖数: 233
18
for hand 2, here is my donkey thought:
AA raise $50 preflop from BB, under the gun limper called
what is his range? connector, big pairs/cards or pair? I probably wouldn't
call $50 raise with 78, 89 or 9T. But more likely do so with KQ, AK or
pocket pairs
villian's call on flop is automatic as hero only bet 40% of pot as c-bet
hero checked on turn when K showed up, villian bet 1/3 of pot to represent
top pair
hero checked on river of T, villian either has a pocket pair of T and bet $
200 for value or
over bet his top pair for value.
c*****t
发帖数: 817
19
For hand 1, I still feel that shoving was basically gonna force villain to
make the right decision when she has a pair. It wont change the result if
she got a set or a flush draw. So why shove?
Yes, she overplays her over pair very often. But this time very likely she
wont commit the rest of her stack with an overpair since you have been
showing so much strength -- she is not that bad, right?
In position I think the following hollywooding might work in our favor --
After she raises me, I will tank and ask her "flush draw?" and act like a
disbeliever and call in a painful way. . But it might mislead her into
believing that I only got a top pair and her overpair is good. Very likely she
might lead out on the turn again and pay me off. If she got a flush draw and
misses, she might decide that a huge bluff might work.
P.S. Yes. If you dont shove then so many turn cards could kill the action. But that is when position plays.

observation

【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 俺很同意饼干兄和猪皮兄的分析。
: For hand 1, I was not thinking about folding for 200BB. There is no
: made str/flush on the board. Only hand ahead of mine is JJ/99. I was
: willing to pay her off if she got JJ/99. Especially based on my observation
: , she often overplays her hand. What I was trying to accomplish to is
: maximize my equaliy against the rest of her range. I think shove is better
: since there are too many turn cards that can kill the action if she had a
: overpair. If she had hand like Asks, I was willing to get in there with
: pretty good shape.
: In actual play I shoved, she asked me "KK is not good". then she said "

p****r
发帖数: 9164
20
thanks a lot for the input.

I guess there are merit for both shoving and smooth calling. But one
thing is sure. we are not folding on the turn no matter what turn card comes
out. We have a set and there are already so much money in compared to our
stack. The smooth calling is to trap not for pot control. My image was
very loose for that game, I think shoving there can creditably rep a draw and
she may call with an overpair with such good pot odds. For thinking
villian, the smooth call could show more strenth. Plus many turn cards can
kill action as you said.
A little bit surprise that she folded. But I still prefer a shove at that
spot based on my image and how the hand is played.


she

【在 c*****t 的大作中提到】
: For hand 1, I still feel that shoving was basically gonna force villain to
: make the right decision when she has a pair. It wont change the result if
: she got a set or a flush draw. So why shove?
: Yes, she overplays her over pair very often. But this time very likely she
: wont commit the rest of her stack with an overpair since you have been
: showing so much strength -- she is not that bad, right?
: In position I think the following hollywooding might work in our favor --
: After she raises me, I will tank and ask her "flush draw?" and act like a
: disbeliever and call in a painful way. . But it might mislead her into
: believing that I only got a top pair and her overpair is good. Very likely she

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M********g
发帖数: 717
21
Since you said she overplayed her cards a bit, her probable overpair would
be scared by your possible 2 pair, which is quite in your loose range.
Shove is easier. Call needs more 4th and 5th street manipulation to extract
value if the board is scary.
But in turn less than 1/4 of the card is so scary, less than 1/2 is not
blank. You can put her in at the turn high percentage of the time.

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【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: thanks a lot for the input.
:
: I guess there are merit for both shoving and smooth calling. But one
: thing is sure. we are not folding on the turn no matter what turn card comes
: out. We have a set and there are already so much money in compared to our
: stack. The smooth calling is to trap not for pot control. My image was
: very loose for that game, I think shoving there can creditably rep a draw and
: she may call with an overpair with such good pot odds. For thinking
: villian, the smooth call could show more strenth. Plus many turn cards can
: kill action as you said.

E*******r
发帖数: 520
22
你脑子撞坏掉了, 咋不捕鱼咧? :)(:

【在 f*****g 的大作中提到】
: 偶脑子撞坏掉了,正在申请残泊车牌。
: 你咋不捕鱼咧?

d*****0
发帖数: 1500
23

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I don't know about 2/5 NL much.
My2c, you mentioned villain likes to overplay a little bit and your image
was kinda loose. even that, i think without set/over cards flush draw,
villain still gonna fold to your 4bet shove here, which looks too strong and
definitely not a semi-bluff of combo draw. Plus you got position on her. So
i would flat call here and not fold no matter what.

【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: thanks a lot for the input.
:
: I guess there are merit for both shoving and smooth calling. But one
: thing is sure. we are not folding on the turn no matter what turn card comes
: out. We have a set and there are already so much money in compared to our
: stack. The smooth calling is to trap not for pot control. My image was
: very loose for that game, I think shoving there can creditably rep a draw and
: she may call with an overpair with such good pot odds. For thinking
: villian, the smooth call could show more strenth. Plus many turn cards can
: kill action as you said.

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