s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 1 第一把拿98o在3bet pot call open-end river到straight。。。
$0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
Hero (BB): $117.95
CO: $40.00
BTN: $116.95
SB: $100.00
Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4d 4s
1 fold, BTN raises to $2.66, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.48, BTN calls $6.82
Flop: ($19.46) 7s 7c 2h (2 players)
Hero bets $11.97, BTN calls $11.97
Turn: ($43.40) 6d (2 players)
Hero bets $26.93, BTN calls $26.93
River: ($97.26) Tc (2 players)
Hero bets $69.57 all in, BTN calls $68.57 all in
Final Pot: $234.40
Hero shows 4d 4s (Two Pair Sevens and Fours)
BTN shows 9h 8s (Ten High Straight)
BTN wins $231.90
(Rake: $2.50)
第二把更奇迹，cold call 3bet from BB w/ 66，wtf这人太nb了
Merge Network $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 5 players
The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
CO: $100.00
Hero (BTN): $114.75
SB: $64.00
BB: $100.00
UTG: $198.50
CO posts a big blind ($1.00)
Pre Flop: ($2.50) Hero is BTN with 6h Kh
UTG raises to $4.50, 1 fold, Hero raises to $15.00, 1 fold, BB calls $14, 1
fold
Flop: ($36.00) 6s 3s Kc (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets $22.00, BB raises to $45.00, Hero raises to $99.75 all
in, BB calls $40 all in
Turn: ($206.00) 8d (2 players - 2 are all in)
River: ($206.00) 4s (2 players - 2 are all in)
Final Pot: $206.00
Hero shows 6h Kh (Two Pair Kings and Sixes)
BB shows 6d 6c (Three of a Kind Sixes)
BB wins $203.50
(Rake: $2.50)
这人晚上200把从我这里赚了200还总共输了300。。。太奇迹了打得 | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 2 第二把 short handed, 就是个cooler,我觉得你一把turn应该give up 了。看看
我post 的那个slide,类似的道理。 我们要respect position. 他float 就让他float
吧.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 第一把拿98o在3bet pot call open-end river到straight。。。
: $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: Hero (BB): $117.95
: CO: $40.00
: BTN: $116.95
: SB: $100.00
: Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4d 4s
: 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.66, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.48, BTN calls $6.82
: Flop: ($19.46) 7s 7c 2h (2 players)
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 3 觉得在turn 上，如果有好的read， 可以jam, 不过，check/fold 也不差。觉得你的
turn 打的有问题。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 第一把拿98o在3bet pot call open-end river到straight。。。
: $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: Hero (BB): $117.95
: CO: $40.00
: BTN: $116.95
: SB: $100.00
: Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4d 4s
: 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.66, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.48, BTN calls $6.82
: Flop: ($19.46) 7s 7c 2h (2 players)
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 4 这种dry的flop如果不打两街好像太容易被float了啊
所以如果要打就要bet/jam?
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 觉得在turn 上，如果有好的read， 可以jam, 不过，check/fold 也不差。觉得你的
: turn 打的有问题。
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 5 我觉得你在turn 上应该有个plan, 如果你觉得他是float的话，可以jam. could
get worse to call, like big ace or pair of 2. 问题是他即使是float, 你也很
容易被 draw out. 。 象你那样打，pot 已经
很大了，river 不论出什么牌都要jam.但我觉得 在turn , check/fold 也还好
所以，在turn 上jam or fold.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 这种dry的flop如果不打两街好像太容易被float了啊
: 所以如果要打就要bet/jam?
| s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 6 那感觉出这种pair board，如果是3bet air的range还不如flop check/fold呢
如果是3bet value的range的话就bet/jam?这里3bet value range有{QQ,AK}
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: 我觉得你在turn 上应该有个plan, 如果你觉得他是float的话，可以jam. could
: get worse to call, like big ace or pair of 2. 问题是他即使是float, 你也很
: 容易被 draw out. 。 象你那样打，pot 已经
: 很大了，river 不论出什么牌都要jam.但我觉得 在turn , check/fold 也还好
: 所以，在turn 上jam or fold.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 7 这样的board, 在3 bet 后，我会c-bet 100% my range. turn 的决定和对手的
tendency，自己的image ,相互 history 等 有关系。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 那感觉出这种pair board，如果是3bet air的range还不如flop check/fold呢
: 如果是3bet value的range的话就bet/jam?这里3bet value range有{QQ,AK}
| d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 8 bobo, how is going on ur grind? For some reason, I can't fully trust Merge.
in 25NL, I already saw a bunch of new comers with < 100 hands won 2 or 3 BUY
-INs with all kinds of suck-out. | s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 9 我知道一些100NL和50NL的 reg，他们是赢了不少的，所以应该还好了
主要问题是自己的leak多，原先preflop 的leak就有不少(3bet range balance)
所以只能靠rakeback
.
BUY
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
: bobo, how is going on ur grind? For some reason, I can't fully trust Merge.
: in 25NL, I already saw a bunch of new comers with < 100 hands won 2 or 3 BUY
: -INs with all kinds of suck-out.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 10 第一把为十么要3 bet? 他的 fold to 3 bet % 高吗? 如果不高, 你这里oop, post
flop 他又不喜欢fold, 无论十么board 都很难玩, loose passive fish, 不如just call for set farming. hit 到,就是full value.
as played, 我觉得check call turn 然后 check fold/call river (fold and call are close) 会比较好.
如果2 barrel 的话, river 就算了, 给他了.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 第一把拿98o在3bet pot call open-end river到straight。。。
: $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: Hero (BB): $117.95
: CO: $40.00
: BTN: $116.95
: SB: $100.00
: Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4d 4s
: 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.66, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.48, BTN calls $6.82
: Flop: ($19.46) 7s 7c 2h (2 players)
| | | s*******o
发帖数: 4896 | 11 这人是donk，LP raise 好像60-70，而且postflop喜欢call+乱raise
我个人认为是low pocket pair不太喜欢在oop flat
low pocket pair在turn上还check/call?
call for set farming. hit 到,就是full value.
are close) 会比较好.
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: 第一把为十么要3 bet? 他的 fold to 3 bet % 高吗? 如果不高, 你这里oop, post
: flop 他又不喜欢fold, 无论十么board 都很难玩, loose passive fish, 不如just call for set farming. hit 到,就是full value.
: as played, 我觉得check call turn 然后 check fold/call river (fold and call are close) 会比较好.
: 如果2 barrel 的话, river 就算了, 给他了.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 12 他raise 60-70, 如果他不喜欢fold to 3 bet,不喜欢fold post flop, 我还是倾向于
flat. 对于这种对手，你可以3 bet wide 像AJ+/99+ 都可以for thin value， 不要3
bet small pocket pair. small pocket pair too valuable post flop against them
since they do not like to fold. 也不要3 bet bluff or semi-bluff.
turn check call 是为了induce bluff after he float you with air. 这种772dry
board, 他会float 你很多的。 你2 barrel, 他跟的range 比他的bet range 小， 因
为他会fold 给2 barrel 很大一部分air, 但会bet almost 100% air. river 是否check
call 取决于他river 的aggression. 这里碰巧他turn 多了一个draw， 很多时候，这
个turn card 后她其实还是complete air. 当然让他bluff. turn 这里用pocket 4 check raise 还不如AJ high. 你的outs 多好几个。这里他叫你，你基本死定了。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 这人是donk，LP raise 好像60-70，而且postflop喜欢call+乱raise
: 我个人认为是low pocket pair不太喜欢在oop flat
: low pocket pair在turn上还check/call?
:
: call for set farming. hit 到,就是full value.
: are close) 会比较好.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 13 是不是3 bet small pocket pair, 还是要看对手啊。 对手good TAG, fold 一部分，
3 bet 一部分是可以理解的。 这个对手，我觉得不适合。
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 这人是donk，LP raise 好像60-70，而且postflop喜欢call+乱raise
: 我个人认为是low pocket pair不太喜欢在oop flat
: low pocket pair在turn上还check/call?
:
: call for set farming. hit 到,就是full value.
: are close) 会比较好.
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 14 still do not quite understand check/call on the turn with 44. checking/
call with tt-aa is reasonble for me.
yeah, villian's turn bet range could be wider than hero 's betting
range, but even loose villian is floating and choose to bet the turn, he
still has lot of outs to beat us. but villian also could bet his value
range on the turn, like any 7 , 22, or jj+. plus the pot size will be
bigger than the rest of hero 's stack after turn call and hero is so
committed. Hero has only 2 outs to improve and will face a tough decision on
the river if do not improve.
【 在 Windstormm (Windstormm) 的大作中提到: 】
3
them
check raise 还不如AJ high. 你的outs 多好几个。这里他叫你，你基本死定了。 | d*****0
发帖数: 1500 | 15
betting
on
I think the precondition is that, villain is a LOOSE DONK, he could have 7
22 or jj+ but it is just a very small portion of his range. So basically
turn check call is still close.
I kinda agree with MM LAO SHI, after 2nd barrel got called, usually the pot
is not urs anymore.
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: still do not quite understand check/call on the turn with 44. checking/
: call with tt-aa is reasonble for me.
: yeah, villian's turn bet range could be wider than hero 's betting
: range, but even loose villian is floating and choose to bet the turn, he
: still has lot of outs to beat us. but villian also could bet his value
: range on the turn, like any 7 , 22, or jj+. plus the pot size will be
: bigger than the rest of hero 's stack after turn call and hero is so
: committed. Hero has only 2 outs to improve and will face a tough decision on
: the river if do not improve.
:
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 16 I think the turn check/fold or betting/jamming is close, but hate to check
/call with 44 there and face a really tough decision on the river,
especially loose donk may choose to shove river with most of his range.
But I do agree with teacher MM that flat calling preflop is better option
against villian who do not fold to preflop 3 bet much.
pot
【在 d*****0 的大作中提到】
:
: betting
: on
: I think the precondition is that, villain is a LOOSE DONK, he could have 7
: 22 or jj+ but it is just a very small portion of his range. So basically
: turn check call is still close.
: I kinda agree with MM LAO SHI, after 2nd barrel got called, usually the pot
: is not urs anymore.
| g**s
发帖数: 1114 | 17 The river all in does not make much sense to me.Were you trying to bluff
here or get more values? What hand can you bluff off? Any hand stronger than
44 could call. What value can you get from river all in? Ax? 2x? super
super thin almost to zero. As played, I would check on the river and induce
bluff if you all in OOP any way. If villian had KQ, you all in just blow out
the possible river bluff.
over all, I still like what MM Lao shi said, if villian does not fold 3 bet,
better not 3 bet with 44. any high cards are better than 44 here. not even
AJ+, I would say QJ+ is nuts here.
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 第一把拿98o在3bet pot call open-end river到straight。。。
: $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: Hero (BB): $117.95
: CO: $40.00
: BTN: $116.95
: SB: $100.00
: Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4d 4s
: 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.66, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.48, BTN calls $6.82
: Flop: ($19.46) 7s 7c 2h (2 players)
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 18 River is a tough decision after check call turn. It is true. You really
need to have a good read to make the decision for check folding or check
calling river. If like you said "loose donk may choose to shove river with
most of his range", then our decision becomes easy--close you eyes and call.
There are a lot of factor needs to be considered at river, such as " does
he turn pocket 6s into a bluff by shoving river?", "does he 2 barrel bluff
complete air on turn and river?", "does bobo's image shows that he could
fold an over pair?" I am not going to go into details, but sometimes, at
this spot, your pocket 4s are as good as pocket 10s or Js at the river
facing his shove.
River is a tough decision, but it does not mean we should be automaticly
check/jamming turn. I think check jamming turn is fine for some opponents (I
actually have done this in one of the few videos I made. If i remember correctly, I called a preflop 3 bet with pocket 4s oop, check called flop and check shoved turn on a flush board, and villain called with 2 over + 4 card flush draw.), but it requires more specific read, for example, if 1) we can fold some of his 8s 7s, 10s, 2) He would call some % of his draws. Under these conditions, you can bluff
some % and get some thin values by shoving. In my opinion, the board is not
drawy enough (yeah, I know he has a draw this time) and opponents are too
loose to bluff off any hand with a pair. So I think our check shove will
only fold out some of his complete air. our turn actions are mostly villain/
history dependent. For a loose donk, I like check calling 2 more street most
of time. I think we can gain a little more ev on that.
Comparing to check jamming, I think bet/jamming is probably the worst
option. Unless villain is a total maniac, his turn raise range could change a lot
from his turn betting range. He folds so much of his air after our turn bet that
his raise range becomes much stronger. I definitely do not like bet jamming
unless we have specific read. Of course, a lot of our actions are
situational. In some rare cases, a relative small sized bet on the turn can become a good induce from donks. I guess we just need to know why we are making certain moves.
check
option
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: I think the turn check/fold or betting/jamming is close, but hate to check
: /call with 44 there and face a really tough decision on the river,
: especially loose donk may choose to shove river with most of his range.
:
: But I do agree with teacher MM that flat calling preflop is better option
: against villian who do not fold to preflop 3 bet much.
:
: pot
| p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 19 sorry ,but i did not make myself very clear. when I write " bet/jamming", i
mean open shove the turn, other than shove over villian's turn raise. i
would not jam the turn against villian's turn raise .
anyway, I prefer to check/fold on the turn unless I have very strong
read on villian. but I definately agree with mm lao shi and goes that 3
betting preflop with 44 OOP is not optimal against villian who does not fold
to 3 bet much.
really
call.
does
bluff
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: River is a tough decision after check call turn. It is true. You really
: need to have a good read to make the decision for check folding or check
: calling river. If like you said "loose donk may choose to shove river with
: most of his range", then our decision becomes easy--close you eyes and call.
: There are a lot of factor needs to be considered at river, such as " does
: he turn pocket 6s into a bluff by shoving river?", "does he 2 barrel bluff
: complete air on turn and river?", "does bobo's image shows that he could
: fold an over pair?" I am not going to go into details, but sometimes, at
: this spot, your pocket 4s are as good as pocket 10s or Js at the river
: facing his shove.
| W********m
发帖数: 7793 | 20 Open shove turn leaves donks no bluffing range and leave yourself 2 outs
when called. What do you expect to fold out? what do you expect to get called?
open shove
i
fold
【在 p****r 的大作中提到】
: sorry ,but i did not make myself very clear. when I write " bet/jamming", i
: mean open shove the turn, other than shove over villian's turn raise. i
: would not jam the turn against villian's turn raise .
: anyway, I prefer to check/fold on the turn unless I have very strong
: read on villian. but I definately agree with mm lao shi and goes that 3
: betting preflop with 44 OOP is not optimal against villian who does not fold
: to 3 bet much.
:
: really
: call.
| | | p****r
发帖数: 9164 | 21 but our hand (44) is too vulnerable to be drawn out even villian is
bluffing. jamming the turn may get some worse to call , like a2s, k2s etc ,
even hand like Aq, ak. depends on villian, we may get 55 etc to fold
sometime. and we are happy to take the pot on the turn if we can get
villian to fold.
anyway,I still prefer check/fold the turn.
my 2 cents.
drawy
【在 W********m 的大作中提到】
: Open shove turn leaves donks no bluffing range and leave yourself 2 outs
: when called. What do you expect to fold out? what do you expect to get called?
: open shove:
: i
: fold
| p*******p
发帖数: 13670 | 22 第一把他call的很好，换成我也会call你的
【在 s*******o 的大作中提到】
: 第一把拿98o在3bet pot call open-end river到straight。。。
: $0.50/$1.00 No Limit Hold'em - 4 players
: The DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter
: Hero (BB): $117.95
: CO: $40.00
: BTN: $116.95
: SB: $100.00
: Pre Flop: ($1.50) Hero is BB with 4d 4s
: 1 fold, BTN raises to $2.66, 1 fold, Hero raises to $9.48, BTN calls $6.82
: Flop: ($19.46) 7s 7c 2h (2 players)
| p****t
发帖数: 292 | 23 3bet small pocket pair oop (as a bluff) is a defensive strategy against strong player to
make yourself less exploitable. Against a loose calling station, it is bad
unless you are trying to bring the spr to the sweet range. | p****t
发帖数: 292 | 24 In your case, you put yourself in a position to play a hand that's never a
big favorite, out of position and an awkward spr of 6. |
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